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[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Okay by now Ive heard enough to unequivocally confirm all three original love interests have a pretty pathetic role in ME2. A cameo that is easily brushed off for those who didnt play ME1, and even more easily brushed off in terms of giving those who did and want to see them again something extensive.

With that in mind, and all of Caseys "theyre for ME3!!!" chatter, does that mean that until ME3 we wont hear a peep from them? Or are they likely to factor in to ME2s DLC at any stage? This is more a rhetorical question mind, as any response from Bioware would be "we will announce any plans when we are ready". Ive seen enough to know they dont care that much about this issue.

I ask the question though, since if their ME2 cameo is all we get from them until ME3, not only will this negatively impact interest in said character, I think it makes it all the more likely theyll simply receive another easily ignored sideline role come ME3.

I honestly think its pretty clear by now they wont feature in any DLC Bioware release, but I thought it worth mentioning if nothing else but for the sake that people still do care about these characters more than the new ones in ME2, and having already waited 2+ years for ME2 only to get this - the idea of waiting another 2+ years for quite possibly the same role is enough to put some people off the Mass Effect trilogy.

Edit: Should warn you, all fanboy whining will be ignored.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:35 .

[Ronin Zakath]

Oh. It's you again.

[crimzontearz]

looks like for instance if you romanced Ashley she will be more than a Cameo. she gets kidnapped and you have to ride to the rescue (I am assuming she will whether you romanced her or not)

no idea about Liara

Modifié par crimzontearz, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:39 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Its not that way Im afraid crimzon. Its an easily brushed off cameo role. If not for the stuff Ive seen, the most recent review I read criticises the game (albeit mildly) for it.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:40 .

[Shady314]

Of course you care about them more than the ME2 ones you haven't played ME2 yet. Way to state the obvious.

Should warn you, all fanboy whining will be ignored. 

How do you ignore yourself? 

Modifié par Shady314, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:41 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Shady314 wrote...

How do you ignore yourself? 

Please, do try and be less predictable.

Yes thats right, Im a whining fanboy who is criticising the game for lacklustre carrying over of decisions from ME1.

That makes me a fanboy of what precisely?

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:44 .

[Ailith Tycane]

**Potential spoilers**



After watching a streamed play through of the beginning of Illium, it looks like Liara plays a mildly bigger role than just a cameo. They aren't on your crew, and they don't come along with you on your ship, so how big could their role be?

[Shady314]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

How do you ignore yourself? 

Please, do try and be less predictable.

Yes thats right, Im a whining fanboy who is criticising the game for lacklustre carrying over of decisions from ME1.

That makes me a fanboy of what precisely?

Uh ME1.... Obviously.... 

[Ronin Zakath]

Dinkus' QQ about LIs is legendary



Just because his love interest(s) isn't/aren't recruitable, that makes the game a HUGE disappointment and ME3 won't be any better. It goes on and on.



What you DON'T understand Dinkus is that these characters can have an impact on the story and still be important to your Shep even if they aren't following you around everywhere. We've seen Ashley at a colony when it is set upon by Collectors. I assume a similar situation would befall Kaidan. Liara's situation would be a little different, I imagine...



The main reason the LI's aren't recruitable is so they survive to ME3. Simple as that. You worry too much and you are jumping to conclusions. Just admit that you DON'T KNOW ANYTHING FOR SURE and you might be able to get some sleep instead of lying in bed staring at the ceiling worrying about it.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Shady314 wrote...
Uh ME1.... Obviously.... 

Right, right.. Despite the clear and obvious fact that I think less of ME1, ME2, its and characters and Mass Effect as a trilogy for relegating characters to easily ignored cameo roles?

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:47 .

[Shady314]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Shady314 wrote...
Uh ME1.... Obviously.... 

Right, right.. Despite the clear and obvious fact that I think less of ME1, ME2, its and characters and Mass Effect as a trilogy for relegating characters to easily ignored cameo roles?

Oh a scorned fanboy then. The saddest kind of fanboy.

[Loerwyn]

The 3 romances are being kept out of your squad so they're in ME3 (i.e. they can't die).



The logic for the sidelining is probably that Shepard doesn't want to involve them in the events of ME2, and that visiting them (or whatever it is you do) would put them at risk especially with groups like Blue Sun Mercs around. Whether or not that's the actual reason, I've no idea. Just seems to make sense to me.



Just a thought.

[ratzerman]

We're acceptable losses, Dink. We should probably be grateful that our LIs weren't simply written out of the story all together.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Shady314 wrote...

Oh a scorned fanboy then. The saddest kind of fanboy.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Shady runs into this thread valiantly defending Bioware from the most miniscule of criticism (which we already have been told on this issue, they dont care about it).

Whats that on your nose? Looks a little brown there pal.

Read the edit again buddy, and dont expect another reply.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

ratzerman wrote...

We're acceptable losses, Dink. We should probably be grateful that our LIs weren't simply written out of the story all together.

True. But for all the Bioware devs prepared to call us that, and the Bioware fanboys prepared to whine about us having a problem, it doesnt mean we should be quiet about it.

[Shady314]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

Oh a scorned fanboy then. The saddest kind of fanboy.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Shady runs into this thread valiantly defending Bioware from the most miniscule of criticism (which we already have been told on this issue, they dont care about it).

Whats that on your nose? Looks a little brown there pal.

Read the edit again buddy, and dont expect another reply.

I don't recall defending Bioware. I pointed out your obviously true statement. We care more about ME1 characters than characters we don't know yet. That was an agreement btw.

Then I just had an honest question about how one would ignore themselves. Of course you weren't able to answer. Fanboys never are.

Modifié par Shady314, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:55 .

[Azazel005]

So, you ask a question that you are aware that anyone who might know would refuse to answer to what purpose I wonder? I am glad your investment in a character is high enough to warrant such frustration but isn't this just really an excuse to post and vent frustrations with no genuine idea of



a) Exactly how easily the cameo will be "brushed aside"

Exactly what role these characters have yet to play in the final instalment despite statements made that they are an imporantant part of the story.



In an expanded sense we know Liara has an entire comic series so certainly it's unlikely she will be "brushed aside" so to speak.



Disappointment is one thing but surely this method of passive-aggressive pessimism serves only to irritate you further?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Azazel005 wrote...

Disappointment is one thing but surely this method of passive-aggressive pessimism serves only to irritate you further?

On the contrary, it only seems to irritate others unwilling to accept that 2 years waiting for ME2 and your favourite aspect gets relegated to the side roles, with your only piece of encouragement being, "dont worry, in another 2+ years time theyll be a part of ME3. How big a part is open to interpretation again" is worth being massively disappointed with.

Just stop for a second and think if this situation would be any different were it Tali getting a sideline role.

Ive heard tell some are already disappointed her "hypothetical" romance isnt supposed to big enough.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:00 .

[Shady314]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Azazel005 wrote...

Disappointment is one thing but surely this method of passive-aggressive pessimism serves only to irritate you further?

On the contrary, it only seems to irritate others unwilling to accept that 2 years waiting for ME2 and your favourite aspect gets relegated to the side roles, with your only piece of encouragement being, "dont worry, in another 2+ years time theyll be a part of ME3. How big a part is open to interpretation again" is worth being massively disappointed with.

Just stop for a second and thing if this situation would be any different were it Tali getting a sideline role.

Ive heard tell some are already disappointed her "hypothetical" romance isnt supposed to big enough.

Don't worry. You'll like the ME2 romances even more. Then you won't even care when they kill the ME1 LI's in ME3.

[Ronin Zakath]

Maybe a game like the Sims is more your speed, Dinkus.

Or better yet, Second Life.

Modifié par Ronin Zakath, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:03 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Shady314 wrote...

Don't worry. You'll like the ME2 romances even more. Then you won't even care when they kill the ME1 LI's in ME3.

Fraid not chum. I already told you, the ME2 squadmates have already failed to impress me more than the ME1 ones (well, besides Tali and Garrus obviously).

You see, to some folks, ME1 was actually important and set the basis of what they enjoyed about the trilogy. Mine was the character. The individual characters mind you, not the concept of simple "Bioware made characters".

ME2 squadmates were there in ME1. Dont jump the gun and think Im saying they are poorly written or whatnot. Im sure with all the effort thats been put into them, theyll be excellent, but I simply dont care as much. They didnt start the trilogy.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Ronin Zakath wrote...

Maybe a game like the Sims is more your speed, Dinkus.

Or better yet, Second Life.

OH noes. Teh dreaded romance sims garbage. Im amz teh defeated.

Bioware has put MORE effort into romances and relationships in this game, genius. Im just pissed that the original ones only benefit from that through a minor role.

[Shady314]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

Don't worry. You'll like the ME2 romances even more. Then you won't even care when they kill the ME1 LI's in ME3.

Fraid not chum. I already told you, the ME2 squadmates have already failed to impress me more than the ME1 ones (well, besides Tali and Garrus obviously).

You see, to some folks, ME1 was actually important and set the basis of what they enjoyed about the trilogy. Mine was the character. The individual characters mind you, not the concept of simple "Bioware made characters".

ME2 squadmates were there in ME1. Dont jump the gun and think Im saying they are poorly written or whatnot. Im sure with all the effort thats been put into them, theyll be excellent, but I simply dont care as much. They didnt start the trilogy.

Oh that's adorable. You fell in love. And you say you're not a fanboy. You're a Liara/Ash/Kaidan fanboy! Now it makes sense.

Modifié par Shady314, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:07 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Shady314 wrote...

Oh that's adorable. You fell in love. And you say you're not a fanboy. You're a Liara/Ash/Kaidan fanboy! Now it makes sense.

Oh for crying out loud. Read that thread OP. I WAS such a "fanboy". Them getting only a minor role in ME2 and a promise "theyre in ME3" isnt enough to keep me that way. I might not even be around for ME3 for crying out loud. Youre about 6 months late on that fanboy tag.

Nice try though. It was equally adorable.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 02:12 .