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[ERJAK2]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

NO, ME1 LI's will NEVER be DLC squad members. The whole point of keeping them unrecruitable in ME2 was to make sure there was no possible way they could die in ME2.

They won't ever be DLC solvill

Some people keep clinging to that "they'll have major roles in ME3" line like it's word from God. Forget about it! I anticipate more catering to the Tali freaks, but that's about it. Otherwise it'll be a new squad in ME3. Not that you won't love whatever it is that Bioware does, javier.

I do agree with you that we won't be seeing a Liara DLC. Unless the negative reaction after the release about the cutting of f/f romances and the ME1 LIs is much bigger and more hostile than I anticipate...

Only Liara is guaranteed to be in ME3

[Nozybidaj]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Only Liara is guaranteed to be in ME3

Liara is not guaranteed to "BE IN" ME3.  She is the only member (aside from Shep) that can be expected to still be alive at the time ME3 takes place (depending on any comics, books, stories etc leading up to it not offing her).  Every other character can potentially die at some point in either ME1 or ME2 (note that Ash or Kaidan will also potentially be alive but which one is dependent on each player's personal game).

This does not guarantee that she will actually be in ME3.

[Mox Ruuga]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Only Liara is guaranteed to be in ME3

If it came to either Liara or Tali, Bioware would go with Tali.

Not that I don't think both won't be in ME3. Oh yes, they'll get their cameos all right. Perhaps a bit more in Tali's case.

But I would suggest ignoring any sort of hype or mollifying assurances the devs try to give. It's useless to get your hopes up for nothing.

[fortunesque]

I'm going to ignore the hype about "in ME3 they'll be back!!!!". That's 2 years down the road. Giving them a small cameo in ME2 to 'not confuse' the new people means that their role will be the same in ME3, if not SMALLER.



Seriously, I don't want to get Molyneuxed.

[PoiSIN-XIII]

I myself have not yet played me2 so I shall wait to see for myself what may or may not happen but if what you say is true i think people have a right to be upset despite bioware having romance an almost all their games I think they still greatly understatement what it means to people how much they enjoy it when its there. BUT again we shall see!

[glacier1701]

 One other point here that only just occured to me. We keep on saying its been 2 years so the 'love' has/could have cooled down. Actually that ONLY applies to the LI. For Shepard its been a LOT less than 2 years. After all Shepard has either been dead or comatose for pretty much all of that time and so it may only be week or two as far as they are concerned. In other words the LI may have cooled off but Shepard hasn't - they have not been apart for that long subjective. Certainly I would think that Shepard would make MORE of an effort to contact the LI that what seems to be the case if ONLY to find out what the LI is feeling about things considering the 'time' difference between them now.


 As to it being different when I play the game. I have seen perhaps about 8 hours of gameplay so far. If ME2 had been my first introduction to the universe I'd be gushing over it. And apart from the lack of continuity from ME1 it definetly will be a game I will enjoy. Yet the fact that I played ME1 is going to detract from the ME2 experience. And that is not what BW said would be happening. It seems to me that working on the game is NOT the same as being a fan and being thrilled about how things are going does not mean the 'fans' will react the same way.

[SithLordExarKun]

You know i don't get the point of this thread, the game is coming out in like what? 2 days? What does this person expect bioware to do? Push back the game several months just so he can see his favourite characters get a larger and more pivotal role?



Or DLC for ME1 LI's?



Stuff like this happens all the time, they always leave off or even kill important characters at some point in the franchise. Look at the alien trilogy, star wars trilogy and many more but does that alone make the franchise utterly crap? No.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

You know i don't get the point of this thread, the game is coming out in like what? 2 days? What does this person expect bioware to do? Push back the game several months just so he can see his favourite characters get a larger and more pivotal role?

Or DLC for ME1 LI's?

Stuff like this happens all the time, they always leave off or even kill important characters at some point in the franchise. Look at the alien trilogy, star wars trilogy and many more but does that alone make the franchise utterly crap? No.

The point of this thread is to show an opinion not shared by trollish fanboys who have posted in this thread complaining about people complaining about ME2, or just posted insults.

Its the same reason Bioware are seeing threads for homosexual romances pop up.

Their treatment in ME2 wasnt satisfactory, and both groups want DLC either rectifying this in ME2, and at the very least it being a squadmate related issue in ME3.

If you dont like that....... tough? Other fans have other opinions. Either shut up and take it, or voice your own more civilly and see if you can strike up a discussion about it.

[Mox Ruuga]

****SPOILERS****













Seeing the Ashley scene, with the Vigil music playing... Sigh. The writing team really let Shepard down there, as a character. Not Ash, who was as we remember her, but the emotionally blank Shepard really makes me think he's a Cyborg Zombie, despite all the denials.

The point where it happens, it was both the best and one of the worst moments so far. Finally a tangible connection to the story of the first game. Then... argh. What a load of crap.














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[Ruud333]

glacier1701 wrote...

 I do not put myself in the loss of the LIs camp because this issue is symptomatic of a much larger issue. The main HYPE about the ME universe and Shepard's story is that YOUR choices matter and will carry over into the next part of the series. It was even clearly stated what were considered the MAJOR choices in the eyes of the LEAD PRODUCER for the game. Yet it was then made clear by the very same people that some of those choices were not going to have consequences despite being MAJOR choices. The forum feedback was not pleasant to say the least and a lot of backtracking and 'clarifications' and 'it was taken out of context' started happening. Still despite all that a MAJOR choice has no consequence as so far revealed. 

I think part of the issue is people putting too much stock in what BW said.  Not saying BW intentionally lied, or hyped the choices part of the game just to flog it , just that I think people should be a bit more wary when it comes to things like this to living up to their expectations. 

Also, I guess it comes down to peoples interpretation, both of what we were told, and whether what we now know matches that.  For example I personally never had any expectation that the LI choice being a major choice meant they would be recruitable in the second game.  Others like yourself obviously did.


-POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT-





Now from what i have seen of the launch trailer, it looks like Ashley (and therefore probably Kaiden, and possibly Liara) gets taken by the collectors.  Having a very personal extra bit of motivation (i.e. saving your LI) for defeating the collectors certainly counts as a choice you made in ME1 having an impact in ME2 imo



-SPOILER END-

glacier1701 wrote...

 To head off the inevitable feedback that BW knew would occur we got the 'have to save them for ME3 to close off POTENTIAL storylines' spiel. If BW thought that only a small minority of people would complain they would not have bothered to come up with this they would have said nothing.

Ok, you are going into "it's all a conspiracy" territory there.

glacier1701 wrote...

To a large extent the people who made ME2 possible and who are upset over the handling of this are being counted as acceptable losses and being shown the door. We seem to be no longer wanted. 

You and I paid money for a game, and then BW used that money to fund making another game.  We did not pay BW for a game and cast-iron garuntee that said sequel would match all our wildest dreams.

glacier1701 wrote...

I am almost certain that IF the reviews had in them another scoring criteria based on continiuty we'd not be seeing 90+% final scores but something down in the 70s.

Games should be judged as standalone games imo.  If a game is well made and fun to play, I dont think the how it follows up on the first game should have a huge impact on its score. 

glacier1701 wrote...

For a company that prides itself on characters and story they seem to have really misplaced a large chunk of it in ME2.

Having not played the game, is it not a little early to pass judgement on it's characters and story?

[MICHELLE7]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

****SPOILERS****













Seeing the Ashley scene, with the Vigil music playing... Sigh. The writing team really let Shepard down there, as a character. Not Ash, who was as we remember her, but the emotionally blank Shepard really makes me think he's a Cyborg Zombie, despite all the denials.

The point where it happens, it was both the best and one of the worst moments so far. Finally a tangible connection to the story of the first game. Then... argh. What a load of crap.














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I feel like someone put a knife in my heart. Sounds sad. Liked the Vigil music in the first but not so much in a scene with Ash/Kaidan. That music symbolizes the past for me(Prothean past). To have it linked to their cameo doesn't give me good thoughts.

For the life of me I've not been able to find the scene on any of the streams...saw the ending but not that scene yet. Did see some of Liara though...all I can say is it was kinda cold.

 Now from what i have seen of the launch trailer, it looks like Ashley (and therefore probably Kaiden, and possibly Liara) gets taken by the collectors.  Having a very personal extra bit of motivation (i.e. saving your LI) for defeating the collectors certainly counts as a choice you made in ME1 having an impact in ME2 imo

It is only a small part and doesn't have much impact on the overall story. If you want to know about it read the first few pages of this thread.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 24 janvier 2010 - 12:21 .

[solvill]

the worst thing is that for new playersa Ash/Kai/Liara will not mean much they have only cameo so DLC could fix that i'm not saying that they should be recruitable but the players should have oportunity to get them know better get to know what happened with them for the last 2 years

Bioware promise that we can continue our romances but what i know so far don't look optimistic

We all buy the same game so there should be the same content for everyone so if you decide to romance new characters should have the same content what people who still romance the old one

i mean the same amount of time

[Zack Ross]

Well too bad. They're regulated to a cameo. Just be glad they aren't coming with us this time, or they could die in the ending. Personally I'm indifferent to not having Liara around much, I didn't think any of the ME1 romances were very compelling, but she at least wasn't all xenophobic and religious in my face. Curse you Ashley, I'm glad you're dead on Virmire

[TheAnima]

You have some interaction with Liara in ME2, but at no point can you call her out on her complete personality shift. Big disappointment.



You can talk to Ash or Kaiden for exactly one scene, one very short scene. Bigger disappointment.

[Lavy88]

Perhaps they could be temporary party members for DLC missions, similar to the temporary party members in the DA:O origin stories. That way they wouldn't be involved in the suicide mission and it would be something for the ME1 LI fans.

[MICHELLE7]

TheAnima wrote...

You have some interaction with Liara in ME2, but at no point can you call her out on her complete personality shift. Big disappointment.

You can talk to Ash or Kaiden for exactly one scene, one very short scene. Bigger disappointment.

Do you know anything about the game after the main quest. I know that there is a mention of the old days by Joker and an option in the dialog about the old squad...I don't know if that option was there before the main quest ended of not. The guy playing didn't pick the option(he was playing it more as a shooter) so I don't know if it does anything. I was just wondering if after the main quest it might open up something with the old LI's.

[TheAnima]

Lavy88 wrote...

Perhaps they could be temporary party members for DLC missions, similar to the temporary party members in the DA:O origin stories. That way they wouldn't be involved in the suicide mission and it would be something for the ME1 LI fans.

I don't think anyones complaining about them not being squadmembers, it's more the fact that you only get to interact with them for 5 minutes in the game.

[Lavy88]

TheAnima wrote...

Lavy88 wrote...

Perhaps they could be temporary party members for DLC missions, similar to the temporary party members in the DA:O origin stories. That way they wouldn't be involved in the suicide mission and it would be something for the ME1 LI fans.

I don't think anyones complaining about them not being squadmembers, it's more the fact that you only get to interact with them for 5 minutes in the game.

Yes but their inclusion in this example would allow you to interact with them more, whereas those who aren't fans would only have to put up with them for a mission or two. Just trying to go for the middle ground.

[solvill]

Zack Ross wrote...

Well too bad. They're regulated to a cameo. Just be glad they aren't coming with us this time, or they could die in the ending. Personally I'm indifferent to not having Liara around much, I didn't think any of the ME1 romances were very compelling, but she at least wasn't all xenophobic and religious in my face. Curse you Ashley, I'm glad you're dead on Virmire

suicide mission was the most stupid excuse i have ever heard
c'mon i have at least 2 years to make it right, almost everyone will be play this game more than once so there never was a option that your LI die 
But i was ok with fact that they are not recruitable but why they reduce their role just to cameo i know new fans, players or whatever but even so new players have Garrus and Tali in squad so what this fact wasn't confiusng but LI who are also just your friends are ??

[Mox Ruuga]

TheAnima wrote...

You have some interaction with Liara in ME2, but at no point can you call her out on her complete personality shift. Big disappointment.

You can talk to Ash or Kaiden for exactly one scene, one very short scene. Bigger disappointment.

I haven't seen Kaidan yet, but Ash was at least more or less recognizable and familiar. Liara, however... Personality shift is a good description. They should have just left her out completely, instead of filling in the dreadnought sized gaps in her characterization with some comic book, which about 1% of the people who play the game end up reading.

When they chose to kill Shepard, they should have given the reunion scenes with the old acquintances more of an effort. S/he's been missing two years, presumed dead. And the best they can do is "You're alive! I never thought... Ok, here's the situation, the mercs are blah blah blah..." style fast forwarding, to keep the plot moving as quickly as possible. Emotionally engaging my foot!

[Serenum]

fortunesque wrote...

Seriously, I don't want to get Molyneuxed.

Best quote ever. Molyneaux is a Master Hyper™ and managed to screw people's expectations so many times it isn't even funny, became a joke really where he keeps saying his stuff and people will just go "whatever..." on him.

I don't think BioWare is there but what they did with the LI's in ME2 especially in light of the new romance options is really shady. They could have given at least the original ones more face time in teh game and related quests even if they couldn't be your squadmates.

Anyway, I am still optimistic for ME3 and their role in it, if only for the fact that there is absolutely no excuse to not have them in besides the developers blatantly not wanting it.

[Serenum]

The logic of your LI's can die in the suicide mission is moronic. That's a ridiculous excuse from BioWare to try and justify their choice of not including them in the game. It would have been more honest and truthful if they simply said that it was a conscious decision of theirs to have a new squad that would allow for a completely different set of stories to unfold rather than having the LI's in.



What is sad about it is that the potential to further learn about your LI or original squadmate is one of the greatest things of this game being a trilogy, where you can further enhance your relationship with the other characters and learn more about their history. Saying that they can die in the end is ridiculous since it is nothing more than a story decision that BioWare needed to make, you can save your entire squad in the game for Christ sake, how is it that having your LI in the game = his death? The only answer would be if the writers wanted that, they can choose whatever they desire to happen, it's their story after all.



In the end I understand their decision of bringing a new set of characters and having a great cast but I believe they missed an incredible chance at creating an even stronger affinity between a set of their customer base with their entire trilogy, those customers who played the game initially are their strongest supporters and key influencers and aside form that this also creates the stronger sense of continuity that a trilogy should have.

[Mox Ruuga]

Perhaps the writers Bioware employs find it difficult to stretch character development over three games, instead of the usual one game? Garrus is the only exception, since Tali really had no personality to develope, so she's just beginning her characterization in ME2.