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[SithLordExarKun]

I don't know if i got this right but didn't the trailer spoil that part?

[Yana Montana]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I don't know if i got this right but didn't the trailer spoil that part?

Well, it's not that simple.

*SPOILER*

After helping Ash/Kaidan to save that colony the ME1 LI is so disgusted with Shepard for working with Cerberus that they simply walk away... 

[Tazzamann]

Yana Montana wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I don't know if i got this right but didn't the trailer spoil that part?

Well, it's not that simple.

*SPOILER*

After helping Ash/Kaidan to save that colony the ME1 LI is so disgusted with Shepard for working with Cerberus that they simply walk away... 

is that speculation or do you know that?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Tazzamann wrote...

is that speculation or do you know that?

Its not speculation, but its also not certain to be the exact way everyones playthrough goes down.

Even if it doesnt however, they all, romance or no, follow pretty much the same pattern according a review I read.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 03:34 .

[Yana Montana]

Tazzamann wrote...

is that speculation or do you know that?

It was on one of the streamed vids shown yes2day.

Modifié par Yana Montana, 22 janvier 2010 - 03:35 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Yana Montana wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I don't know if i got this right but didn't the trailer spoil that part?

Well, it's not that simple.

*SPOILER*

After helping Ash/Kaidan to save that colony the ME1 LI is so disgusted with Shepard for working with Cerberus that they simply walk away... 

Ah crap, spoiled again... No biggie though, shouldn't have peered anyway.

[Mox Ruuga]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Well to be honest, I figured if a full blown story driven expansion pack that extends the story is a viable DLC option, and the "we cant have them killed and block ME3" excuse is over since the suicide mission is done with, why not have them feature?

If its as hard to keep the squadmates alive as they like to tout, some people will need replacements anyway.

That said I dont think theres a cat in hells chance. Casey probably would have mentioned it alongside his "important for ME3" comments if it were a possibility I think.

Do you really still believe that the ME1 LIs will make a triumphant return in ME3? After the less than inspiring return they made in ME2? There are lots of new fans entering the fandom with ME2, and including squaddies from a 4 to 5 year old game would only confuse and irritate them. Or that's how Bioware will excuse their own backpedalling in the future.

"We have to think of the fans who started with ME2, and those that are starting with ME3. Besides, Tali is back, so we haven't forgotten about the originals as you can see. And her romance will continue as always."

[ratzerman]

Kane-Corr wrote...

And as far as ME3 is concerned...Bioware CAN bring the original crew back, I mean, they will probably have to make the game about 3 or 4 discs long, but it IS possible... I hope that helps man.

Sadly, I don't think any of the ME1 love interests will ever be in Shep's squad again.  I don't care how many times Casey says how "important" the original love interests are.  Once a character in a videogame series is reduced to a cameo, they don't come back, especially not in a high profile title like Mass Effect.  Thanks to all the new shooter fans ME2 will attract, by the time ME3 rolls around, the majority of players won't give a damn about the original love interests.  And if the demand from fans isn't there, Bioware isn't going to waste the time and money it would take to make them squadmates again, since they'd only be pleasing a (by then) small fraction of their fanbase.

I know most of that is me talking out of my rear, and nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong.   But at this point, I think pinning our hopes on the chance that Liara, Ash, and Kaidan will be restored to to their pre-ME2 importance is a mistake.  It'll just lead to more disappointment down the road.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
Do you really still believe that the ME1 LIs will make a triumphant return in ME3? After the less than inspiring return they made in ME2? There are lots of new fans entering the fandom with ME2, and including squaddies from a 4 to 5 year old game would only confuse and irritate them. Or that's how Bioware will excuse their own backpedalling in the future.

"We have to think of the fans who started with ME2, and those that are starting with ME3. Besides, Tali is back, so we haven't forgotten about the originals as you can see. And her romance will continue as always."

LOL I wouldn't be surprised at all to see that copy and pasted to be used as an actual response a year or so from now.

ratzerman wrote...

I know most of that is me talking out
of my rear, and nothing would make me happier than to be proven
wrong.   But at this point, I think pinning our hopes on the chance
that Liara, Ash, and Kaidan will be restored to to their pre-ME2
importance is a mistake.  It'll just lead to more disappointment down
the road.

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Agreed.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 22 janvier 2010 - 03:51 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

ratzerman wrote...


I know most of that is me talking out of my rear, and nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong.   But at this point, I think pinning our hopes on the chance that Liara, Ash, and Kaidan will be restored to to their pre-ME2 importance is a mistake.  It'll just lead to more disappointment down the road.

None of that is you talking out of your rear. What Casey has said about the ME1 LIs for ME3 is the same thing that was said about them in the run up to ME2. Its probably more optimistic twaddle designed to try and stave off certain fans from giving up on the ME trilogy.

Thats part of what this thread is about. Can we expect to wait another 2 or more years till ME3, and be told two months before release they are cameos again, and that ME3 "is about building a squad to finish the reapers" or some crap like that?

Its certainly a distinct possibility.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
Thats part of what this thread is about. Can we expect to wait another 2 or more years till ME3, and be told two months before release they are cameos again, and that ME3 "is about building a squad to finish the reapers" or some crap like that.

I would assume that is pretty much a given unless we are told different, wouldn't you?  If BW thinks showing a FemShep is enough to "confuse" players what would they think about introducing a bunch of, at that point, random squad mates who seem to know everything about you?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I would assume that is pretty much a given unless we are told different, wouldn't you?  If BW thinks showing a FemShep is enough to "confuse" players what would they think about introducing a bunch of, at that point, random squad mates who seem to know everything about you?

Unless theyre idiots, Id like to think they feel its....... damn it whats that phrase..... "good storytelling".

What kind of moron enters a trilogy in the final act and expects to pick up everything at the drop of a hat? Or worse still, who thinks catering to said morons doesnt have a negative impact on the trilogy?

[SurfaceBeneath]

Oh look a Dink thread.



herp herp derp

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Oh look a surface prat.



derp double derp twerp.

[BodomBeachChild]

Ailith430 wrote...

**Potential spoilers**

After watching a streamed play through of the beginning of Illium, it looks like Liara plays a mildly bigger role than just a cameo. They aren't on your crew, and they don't come along with you on your ship, so how big could their role be?

I tried reading every post in this thread but the bickering put me off, so here's my question reguarding LIs and Liara. I don't want to make her my love interest and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna blow Ash away on this last playthrough of ME. So if I don't romance Liara... is she still going to be around for the game? I've followed ME2 religiously and yet this part still confuses me.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

BodomBeachChild wrote...

I tried reading every post in this thread but the bickering put me off, so here's my question reguarding LIs and Liara. I don't want to make her my love interest and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna blow Ash away on this last playthrough of ME. So if I don't romance Liara... is she still going to be around for the game? I've followed ME2 religiously and yet this part still confuses me.

***Spoilers***


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All things look to be Liara having an insignificant role of pointing you towards characters of significance.

She wont be there for long I imagine. Once shes given you "directions", shell most likely be out of your game from then on. At least from what some folks know so far.

[Kane-Corr]

Well.....even if they are reduced to Cameo roles, I'd just be happy that they are alive, unlike some of the upcoming squadmates that we all will probably like (give or take a character or two). I mean, I've pretty much accepted the possibility that they won't be back as squadmates....but I'm at least happy they are back, and will acknowledge your decisions and or past relationship.





You have to admit, that is an awesome feat pulled off by Bioware.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Not really. A game made nearly 10 years ago by Bioware pulled off a better relationship between two titles, without the need for cameo roles.

[Kane-Corr]

Yeah but things are different now, games are harder to make, and Bioware needs to find that happy medium between making the game fresh and yet nostalgic at the same time. Don't get me wrong it would be awesome to have the same characters again but truthfully, wouldn't you get a tiny bit bored after a while playing with the old squad again? Like, the first time playing would be amazing, yeah, but replay value would kind of diminish quickly unlike ME1....you know where I'm going with this right?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

No I wouldnt, any more than I would get bored with Tali and Garrus returning.

Having the original squad return doesnt preclude new additions. Its just a question of effort, and Bioware possibly werent prepared to put it in in ME2. Maybe even in ME3 as well.

Edit: The original squad could possibly have been shortened from 6 to 4, or at the very least, 3. I was completely expecting, and looking forward, to new additions and seeing how they would interact with my established favourites. Instead my favourites got replaced.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 22 janvier 2010 - 04:25 .

[BodomBeachChild]

But you can't confirm that's true. Correct? Or is that yer theory?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

BodomBeachChild wrote...

But you can't confirm that's true. Correct? Or is that yer theory?

Its been streamed by people who have already played the game, and Ive seen screenshots of said role.

[Kane-Corr]

Yeah but, Dink, how much more progression can you get with the old characters in ME2...as opposed to in ME3? Let's just say that Bioware DOES include them as squadmates in the third one, and I think this is ver likely, how much more value would be put into reuniting with them then as opposed to in the second? A lot more! And I really do think they will be able to include the original characters back in the series as squadmates....it is the Final game as far as Shepards story is concerned, so why wouldn't they go all out in the last?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Kane-Corr wrote...

Yeah but, Dink, how much more progression can you get with the old characters in ME2...as opposed to in ME3? Let's just say that Bioware DOES include them as squadmates in the third one, and I think this is ver likely, how much more value would be put into reuniting with them then as opposed to in the second? A lot more! And I really do think they will be able to include the original characters back in the series as squadmates....it is the Final game as far as Shepards story is concerned, so why wouldn't they go all out in the last?

Its a possibility, but I dont believe a very strong one.

These characters will have essentially done almost nothing for 4 years of Mass Effect. They are almost "missing" a middle act if what Ive seen is the extent of it.

That causes some problems. Bioware could easily turn around in ME3 and say there wasnt enough interest in the characters to warrant a squad role. Its not certain, but at this stage just as likely as them actually being ME3 squadmates.

[Mox Ruuga]

Kane-Corr wrote...


You have to admit, that is an awesome feat pulled off by Bioware.

More like a minimal effort. They might have just as well left all the by-now insignificant characters off the sequels, when they decided they had taken on too big of a task with all the promised continuity and instead just made individual noob friendly episodes.

Would leave out insulting scenes like TIM just telling you you can't trust former squaddie X, because s/he works for Y, and Shepard swallowing said line like an imbecile. But I guess given his Cyborg Zombiefied existence, we can't blame him too much...