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The Chantry should open the lyrium trade.


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Hanako Ikezawa

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Have they ever attempted to Tranquil a non mage? How do we know if it will even work? We have no evidence of a mundane being made Tranquil, except for that one child that was born that way.

In theory, it should work since all it does it cut someone off from the Fade at the cost of dreams and emotions.



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In theory, it should work since all it does it cut someone off from the Fade at the cost of dreams and emotions.

In theory, perhaps. But we still have no evidence of anyone ever trying it.



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In theory, it should work since all it does it cut someone off from the Fade at the cost of dreams and emotions.

Yeah, theoretically there is nothing requiring magic to be made tranquil, just severing the fade connection, which everyone by dwarves and qunari are supposed to naturally have.  It does make you wonder how the Qunari practice magic though, if they don't dream or have a fade connection.



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In theory, perhaps. But we still have no evidence of anyone ever trying it.

I can think of a few unfortunately dead templars from Kirkwall I would nominate for guinea pigs.



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I'd assume the vast majority of enchantments that are within Humans lands come from the Circle and therefore Tranquil mages. If they maintain a monopoly on the surface then it would make sense that it be a major source of income on the surface.

It's a major source of income for the Circle though, not the Chantry as a whole.

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Yeah, theoretically there is nothing requiring magic to be made tranquil, just severing the fade connection, which everyone by dwarves and qunari are supposed to naturally have.  It does make you wonder how the Qunari practice magic though, if they don't dream or have a fade connection.

 

All WOT said was that the Qunari dream spirits were a rare encounter, there wasn't anything in there about them "not" being there, so a connection to the fade could be something that only their mages experience, who knows?



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It's a major source of income for the Circle though, not the Chantry as a whole.

 

Considering the Chantry bankrolls the circle, i consider it more or less the same thing.



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Considering the Chantry bankrolls the circle, i consider it more or less the same thing.

Not really, since Gaider has said the Chantry doesn't get the money that the enchantments bring in.   The mages control the money.  Thats how the Orlesian circle has fancy banquets that outshine the Empress's own banquets.

 

Saying they are one and the same would imply that the Chantry could pay expenses with Circle funds, which Gaider has made point blank isn't the case.



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Not really, since Gaider has said the Chantry doesn't get the money that the enchantments bring in.   The mages control the money.  Thats how the Orlesian circle has fancy banquets that outshine the Empress's own banquets.

 

Saying they are one and the same would imply that the Chantry could pay expenses with Circle funds, which Gaider has made point blank isn't the case.

 

The Chantry provides the Lyrium and materials used for Enchanting, It gets nothing in return for said materials because as you said Gaider pointed out they receive no compensation via the Circle.

 

Aka they bankroll the circle.

 

For Free, more or less.



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Considering the Chantry bankrolls the circle, i consider it more or less the same thing.


Some Belgian monasteries make a lot of money off of brewing alcohol. Saying that beer is a major source of income for these particular monks is a lot different than saying that beer is a major source of income for the Catholic Church as a whole.

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Some Belgian monasteries make a lot of money off of brewing alcohol. Saying that beer is a major source of income for these particular monks is a lot different than saying that beer is a major source of income for the Catholic Church as a whole.

 

It cuts down on the sheer amount of money the Chantry likely needs to commit to each circle by a wide margin depending on just how profitable it is in the Region but its maintained through out the universe the practice of enchanting provides the circle its wealth, aka its provided to them by the Chantry.



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Tranquility should be separated from punishment to avoid/minimize the stigma of its actual purpose: as a justifiable option for mages who aren't trusted as reliable, but allowing them to take a path short of death. Using it as a punishment changes that already fragile context.

 

 

 

How is it a fragile context? Being forced into tranquility unwillingly is a punishment, you are either being punished for not being trustworthy or not having enough potential to be considered a human being whose opinions should matter in their treatment, which is why you are being given brain damage to make you more useful to the whole. Some people enjoy punishments others would find to be torture, such as bondage fetishes or sadomasochists who enjoy being bound, injured, and psychologically assaulted, and even in some cases strangled, while many others would find such practice appalling if done onto them without their consent.

 

There exist Qamek, which reduces all individuals exposed to it into mindless laborers. If we are looking at purely economic benefits, I can see no reason that we can't begin forced tranqualization and qamek exposure to individuals who the system either deems to be not worth the dealing with, or who volunteer, and not only begin to make more money on enchantments but find a new source of cost free labor as well. And I say giving that authority to individuals in power and removing the former restrictions, as would need to be done in order to make such an economic system viable, is absolutely the best route to try and improve society.

 

After all, as long as you don't get on the people bad side, do everything they want, and question nothing, you won't have anything to worry about when it comes to being pressed into having your mind permenantly altered for economically beneficial reasons.