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[DrBlingzle]

Anyway at least I got an entire turgid level complete with red phone boxes for some reason.

I know I was just walking through the completly grey (for some reason) environment of London and then this bright red phone box comes out of nowhere.

[DrBlingzle]

No idea what you all are talkin about. Priority #1 is Europe, UK specifically. As we could see in ME3 opening, Shep and Alliance bosses were watching UK under attack 'tll losing broadcast signal.

I think if UK was the main priority of the Reapers, London would of been a crater by the time shepard reached Earth.

[SwobyJ]

Modern times - Forget it. We stand absolutely no chance. Might take down a couple Reapers, at the very very most. They'd take down nuke capacity ASAP, and indoctrinate any political, AND commercial, AND military leaders ASAP as well.

The Reapers have the forces, at least combined, to destroy all the largest cities whenever they wished, and pinpoint the location of anyone not constantly moving in more remote areas.

Even in teh futurez of the MEU, even if all the human fleets were there, they would have been soundly defeated, and the only way any resistance continued on the ground was by scurrying from rural hidey hole to hidey hole, saving who they could along the way. They lasted weeks to maybe short months.

We'd last a day to weeks.

I think in my Canada, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal would be among the hardest hit, with forces still sent to Ottawa to scoop up any gov't suits. From there, it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of the population is either huskified/Reaperfied, or dead.

 

MEU times - Well we hear a lot about the NAU in ME3, so yeah. They keep up the fight, but its a very much losing battle.

[SwobyJ]

I think if UK was the main priority of the Reapers, London would of been a crater by the time shepard reached Earth.

 

There is priority for 3 things:

-Destruction (threats too significant would just be bombed)

-Control (majority of cities, ripe for huskification)

-Ascendance/Harvest (the most populated locations)

 

London was likely a mix of the last two. Why *exactly*? Well, that's still an interesting question.

 

Rural areas were probably a mix. Kill who they thought they had to, huskify those they could manage to, and harvest any available otherwise.

[TheTurtle]

I think if UK was the main priority of the Reapers, London would of been a crater by the time shepard reached Earth.

London was pretty messed up and don't the Reapers slowly annihilate species and cultuee. If the Alliance was still putting up massive amounts of resistance in London wouldn't the Reapers focus be there. Liara says it took the Reapers over a century to completely destroy the protheans why should a galaxy as diverse and spread out like this cycle's be any different.

[DrBlingzle]

There is priority for 3 things:

-Destruction (threats too significant would just be bombed)

-Control (majority of cities, ripe for huskification)

-Ascendance/Harvest (the most populated locations)

 

London was likely a mix of the last two. Why *exactly*? Well, that's still an interesting question.

 

Rural areas were probably a mix. Kill who they thought they had to, huskify those they could manage to, and harvest any available otherwise.

 

 

London was pretty messed up and don't the Reapers slowly annihilate species and cultuee. If the Alliance was still putting up massive amounts of resistance in London wouldn't the Reapers focus be there. Liara says it took the Reapers over a century to completely destroy the protheans why should a galaxy as diverse and spread out like this cycle's be any different.

Ah, good points.

[SwobyJ]

No Dalya.

 

The Reapers started the London stuff.

 

The Resistance was all like "Hey, why are they doing that? Must be important. Let's spread the word to the Alliance/Shepard and head to London ourselves."

 

Then they saw that the Citadel arrived (the Reapers can just do that??, was it TIM? How?), a teleporter was set up, so they were like "Ooo? What's that for? I know! We can use the teleporter to use the Crucible!"

 

Then there was minor speculation about the Reapers possibly building a Reaper inside the Citadel but for some reason we never see that Reaper and never see those speculations bear fruit lolz.

 

 

 

If I didn't know better by the story (wink), it'd say that London was a trap..

 

 

http://www.escapistm...oWares-New-Game

 

Planned since 2010 at the latest..

[rekn2]

people are forgetting about the environment. even at the end of me3 after you won, there would still be a ton of death from lack of food

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well I have two countries technically. My current country, the united states, would most likely be pretty much glassed by the reaper. Though we got a lot of wide open areas that might make it easier to fight and hide from. My native country of Hawaii, assuming it hasn't been drowned by rising water levels, would likely be of little interest initially, but lacks a lot of space to run to,  unless underwater cities become a major craze there. It is likely it would become an aquatic prison waiting for the reapers to show up and kill us all.

[von uber]

As I mentioned previously it would be a 15 stroll from the initial drop off to the beam site, based on the geography (Westminster to Victoria).
About 2 minutes by motorbike.

[Nethalf]

I think if UK was the main priority of the Reapers, London would of been a crater by the time shepard reached Earth.

It's just a game's fact-- while Alliance generals were sitting on their asses in Vancouver, UK headquarter has already got the Reapers on the back yard.

 

Reapers attack according to game opening: Moon base then UK and maybe some other places and only after that is Vancouver.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

It's just a game's fact-- while Alliance generals were sitting on their asses in Vancouver, UK headquarter has already got the Reapers on the back yard.

 

Reapers attack according to game opening: Moon base then UK and maybe some other places and only after that is Vancouver.

That 30 second delay really must mean a lot. I mean, half a minute clearly shows how the UK was the Reaper's top targets. 

 

 

Anyway, nuclear weapons would be incredibly effective against Reapers. At least the US's and Russia's nuclear submarines, and whatever amount of smaller scale tactical nukes and bombs would survive the first wave. (The codex says the Reapers couldn't effectively destroy the hardened nuclear missile silos, so they covered them in molten tungsten from their main guns, quite ingenious I must say). Continuing on, the heat from a nuke would completely ignore KBs and melt the Reaper. Nuclear explosions are the heat of the surface of the sun.

We have a protocol called "Broken Arrow." If a critical area is overrun, then air power is used to negate the advantage that would be gained by the enemy if they held the location. Those 30 Reapers we saw in London? Well, the people there are going to die anyway. Might as well take it off the map, along with 1.5 million years Reaper production. 

[SwobyJ]

UK was the Reapers' first target.

 

Later on, once the other cities are defeated, they begin concentrating forces there.

 

Agreed that nukes would be sooo ineffective against Reapers. However, they could be used in more specific cases, I'm sure. Powerful enough for Reapers to make sure that humans can't access them, just in case.

 

Not sure they could damage a Reaper as much as you say. Could shields or other things protect them? Just wondering what peoples' opinions on that are.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

UK was the Reapers' first target.

 

Later on, once the other cities are defeated, they begin concentrating forces there.

 

Agreed that nukes would be sooo ineffective against Reapers. However, they could be used in more specific cases, I'm sure. Powerful enough for Reapers to make sure that humans can't access them, just in case.

 

Not sure they could damage a Reaper as much as you say. Could shields or other things protect them? Just wondering what peoples' opinions on that are.

A Nuclear explosion produces extreme heat. KBs don't stop heat or slow-moving particles. The heat would easily transfer through the air onto the Reaper. 

The temperature of the fireball goes from around 300,000 degrees Celsius at the epicenter to 6,000 degrees at the outer edge. Tungsten, which is the most heat-resistant metal in existence, has a melting point of around 3,400 degrees Celsius. 

The Reapers would melt. Why they don't just shoot nuclear warheads with those mass accelerators in space is beyond me. Sure, the kinetic impact of a dreadnought's main gun can equate to a 38 kiloton nuke when transferring it's kinetic energy into heat in atmosphere, but in a vacuum this wouldn't happen; a KB would absorb all the kinetic energy, so no extreme heat.  

[justafan]

It really depends with me.  I live in the U.S., which is a HUGE country.  NY, DC, LA, probably fared no better than they did in "Independence Day".  However, even a hundred years in the future, I can still imagine a farmer in middle of nowhere midwest with minimum technology, who saw a meteor shower one day, and then just went back to farming, only finding out about the Reaper invasion a few months later when he suddenly turns green.

[DeathScepter]

Nuclear weapons, from what I do understand, has a side effect of EMP. And Reaper is part Machine, so Nuke Blast will screw up their electronics.

[Derpy]

Nuclear weapons, from what I do understand, has a side effect of EMP. And Reaper is part Machine, so Nuke Blast will screw up their electronics.

Nuke blasts would also screw everyone with nuclear fallout.

[DeathScepter]

Nuke blasts would also screw everyone with nuclear fallout.

 

 

true.  I do think that If the Reapers attack us, I do think Win or Lose, Earth will be a wasteland.  And Suriviors will leave Earth. ****, We might have our own Mirgant Fleet after the end.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Nuclear weapons, from what I do understand, has a side effect of EMP. And Reaper is part Machine, so Nuke Blast will screw up their electronics.

Jesus Christ, Call of Duty has really f***** up the knowledge of what an EMP is. A nuclear explosion does NOT produce an EMP. It may or may not cause a slight change in the charge of the atmosphere, which might mess up some electronics.

 

Most military hardware nowadays is hardened to an EMP, anyway. Reapers would be, assuredly. Unless you have an Ion Cannon from Star Wars, you aren't shutting down a Reaper. Melting them is enough, anyway. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

The game specifically states the reapers targeted major military and ordance areas on earth as one of their first targets, nuclear silos included. So I don't see why anyone is talking about nukes as if the reapers hadn't already gotten that covered. They probably hit fast enough to take out whatever command and communication structure earth's military would have relied on to try and repel a threat, the fleet and luna base which were probably meant to delay the enemy until orders were given to prepare major defenses didn't even slow the reapers down, from their initial entry into the solar system, which givent he chain of events, I say was a half an hour to a full hour ago only. Far faster and harder then any incursion force earth was prepared for.

 

There was simply not enough time to preapre norad and its russian equivilant to launch a nuclear strike. This wasn't the cold war era anymore, earth had pretty much asssembled a world government by that point and was at a level of peace and cooperation we have probably not witnessed in our lifetime. The chances that those nuclear silos would have been fully ready to go within the minutes that the reapers entered our atmosphere is absurd to say the least. The chances that earth would keep aiming those world destryoign guns at one another when they'd formed a world government is equally absuard to me.

 

So discussing the effectiveness and ineffectiveness of nuclear war, in my opinion, is simply a wasted effort. Though if that is what you like, you should, since really a lot of the discussion on the forums can be seen as a massive collection of efforts being wasted, in my opinion.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The game specifically states the reapers targeted major military and ordance areas on earth as one of their first targets, nuclear silos included. So I don't see why anyone is talking about nukes as if the reapers hadn't already gotten that covered. They probably hit fast enough to take out whatever command and communication structure earth's military would have relied on to try and repel a threat, the fleet and luna base which were probably meant to delay the enemy until orders were given to prepare major defenses didn't even slow the reapers down, from their initial entry into the solar system, which givent he chain of events, I say was a half an hour to a full hour ago only.

But wouldn't nuclear missile subs survive anyway? It's not like the Reapers could really know where they are, and even if they did, their weaponry isn't exactly suited to take them down. 

[SwobyJ]

I completely believe 'the Reapers' (whether it's some hypothetical random Reaper, or their 'collective Intelligence') that to them, it not a war. At all. It's a harvest. One they've become VERY good at. And any very few lost Reapers, just suffered an occupational hazard.

 

Until Earth. Maybe.

[Derpy]

I'm within a short driving distance from the San Diego Naval Base, Camp Pendleton, and Edwards AFB.

 

So what I'm saying is that basically, I'm F****d if the Reapers show up today.

Yep.

[Cainhurst Crow]

But wouldn't nuclear missile subs survive anyway? It's not like the Reapers could really know where they are, and even if they did, their weaponry isn't exactly suited to take them down.

A nuclear missile sub being active and ready to go, in an rea of unprecedented peace and more specifically, one dominated by areial combat capable of precison strikes from orbit, would be absurd. You're talking about using a technology that is highly damaging to a worlds own atmosphere and population, an archaic weapon delivery system that could be spotted via orbit, targeted with a well placed mass accelerator cannon, and blasted in a matter of seconds with a kinetic blast as powerful enough to most likely cleave the sub in two and still keep accelerating into the abyss for a few miles. I very much doubt aquatic warefare is on the table anymore, and more specifically, one designed for nation vs nation engagement, when the nations have pretty much formed a unified military force composed of citizens from every state on the planet. Such cooperation tends to make nuclear state vs state warefare dissapear quite quickly. I know it sounds naive but that is the way a lot of military works, otherwise the united states would have had cannons and gunboats still patrolling the missisipi and trained on the southern states by the time world war 1 broke out, just in case they tried anything. It is bad policy to have a gun trained on people who help to support your military, and bad form.

A starship carrying nuclear capabilities might be a possibility, however since such a ship has not been mentioned in the lore, and would most likely have long been outlawed by council law, I don't see humanity creating such a weapon of mass destruction and having them secretly just lying in wait. I mean, even back in ME1 a stray satellite nuke was a big deal that could have cost the alliance military a lot in terms of political face. I can't imagine them tempting fate so much as to have many of these space capable nukes on hand and ready to fire at a moments notice.

Such is the price of peace and cooperation with your neighbors, it leaves you with your guard down and a false sense of security.