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[DeathScepter]

Jesus Christ, Call of Duty has really f***** up the knowledge of what an EMP is. A nuclear explosion does NOT produce an EMP. It may or may not cause a slight change in the charge of the atmosphere, which might mess up some electronics.

 

Most military hardware nowadays is hardened to an EMP, anyway. Reapers would be, assuredly. Unless you have an Ion Cannon from Star Wars, you aren't shutting down a Reaper. Melting them is enough, anyway. 

 

 

question is," by how much are they hardened?" everything has their limits

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

A nuclear missile sub being active and ready to go, in an rea of unprecedented peace and more specifically, one dominated by areial combat capable of precison strikes from orbit, would be absurd. You're talking about using a technology that is highly damaging to a worlds own atmosphere and population, an archaic weapon delivery system that could be spotted via orbit, targeted with a well placed mass accelerator cannon, and blasted in a matter of seconds with a kinetic blast as powerful enough to most likely cleave the sub in two and still keep accelerating into the abyss for a few miles. I very much doubt aquatic warefare is on the table anymore, and more specifically, one designed for nation vs nation engagement, when the nations have pretty much formed a unified military force composed of citizens from every state on the planet. Such cooperation tends to make nuclear state vs state warefare dissapear quite quickly.

The nations haven't formed a unified force. The Alliance is just a union created in order to protect Earth's interests in space, that has some form of jurisdiction over the lower governments. As if the UNAS (US, with annexed Canada and Mexico) and China are going to disarm. The strategic value of a submarine capable of going largely undetected, just waiting to unless nuclear hellfire is so great that it's not going away. Nuclear and Anti-matter weapons would survive in some form. These are the Reapers, you use anything you can. 

The enviroment was screwed any way. Every city you see is on fire. Using Nuclear weaponry won't do much worse than what would happen anyway. 

[Derpy]

Hey, don't blame me for people believing what happens in CoD. I was the one that said using nukes or if the reapurz got ahold of earth's nukes, we would all be screwed with nuclear fallout whish does exist.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

question is," by how much are they hardened?" everything has their limits

No, a simple cage of copper, or any conductive metal, can protect against any form of EMP. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

The nations haven't formed a unified force. The Alliance is just a union created in order to protect Earth's interests in space, that has some form of jurisdiction over the lower governments. As if the UNAS (US, with annexed Canada and Mexico) and China are going to disarm. The strategic value of a submarine capable of going largely undetected, just waiting to unless nuclear hellfire is so great that it's not going away. Nuclear and Anti-matter weapons would survive in some form. These are the Reapers, you use anything you can. 

The enviroment was screwed any way. Every city you see is on fire. Using Nuclear weaponry won't do much worse than what would happen anyway. 

 

Are there anti-matter weapons in MEU or like nuclear ones they are banned under some treaty? I mean the technology is available but their use seems restricted to propelling ships.

[themikefest]

I would like to know a reapers capabilities when it comes to a body of water. Could a reaper survive in very deep water? Would the submarine have the advantage in water?

[Derpy]

I would like to know a reapers capabilities when it comes to a body of water. Could a reaper survive in very deep water? Would the submarine have the advantage in water?

Well, Leviathans can stay underwater for long periods of time so reapurz could probably do the same.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I would like to know a reapers capabilities when it comes to a body of water. Could a reaper survive in very deep water? Would the submarine have the advantage in water?

 

I'm leaning towards yes, as the Reapers are apparently built to mimic the Leviathans who are deep ocean dwellers.

[TheTurtle]

I would like to know a reapers capabilities when it comes to a body of water. Could a reaper survive in very deep water? Would the submarine have the advantage in water?

If they're anything like the Leviathan then they should be able to last for a long time. As for their weapons that's something that i wish they would have addressed. Other than Leviathan I don't think we've seen any real Naval combat,I wonder of it stilp exist

[fhs33721]

The nations haven't formed a unified force. The Alliance is just a union created in order to protect Earth's interests in space, that has some form of jurisdiction over the lower governments. As if the UNAS (US, with annexed Canada and Mexico) and China are going to disarm. The strategic value of a submarine capable of going largely undetected, just waiting to unless nuclear hellfire is so great that it's not going away. Nuclear and Anti-matter weapons would survive in some form. These are the Reapers, you use anything you can. 

The enviroment was screwed any way. Every city you see is on fire. Using Nuclear weaponry won't do much worse than what would happen anyway. 

So... you think the Reapers don't have some sort of technology to find submarines? A race of giant mechanical space squids, that is designed after Leviathans (aka extremely advanced giant real squids that live under water) would somehow be unable to detect a submarine? They'd most likely blow your submarine to pieces before anyone in it can do as much as pressing a button.

[themikefest]

The reapers were made in Leviathan's form. They may not have all their capabilities. Leviathan doesn't have the laser and they can't fly. We don't know the full capabilities of a reaper.

[DeinonSlayer]

It really depends with me.  I live in the U.S., which is a HUGE country.  NY, DC, LA, probably fared no better than they did in "Independence Day".  However, even a hundred years in the future, I can still imagine a farmer in middle of nowhere midwest with minimum technology, who saw a meteor shower one day, and then just went back to farming, only finding out about the Reaper invasion a few months later when he suddenly turns green.

I've lived in the midwest. It's really not as back-asswards as many on the coasts seem to believe. There's electricity, smart phones, cable/satellite TV, Internet, indoor plumbing, all the fixtures at a fraction of the cost of living.

I remember Allers had another blurb suggesting that just about everyone in the highly-rural Taiga region was harvested. We're talking about a widely-dispersed population. I don't think they ever explained how exactly the Reapers managed that, or put much thought into how they could manage that.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Reapers are space ships. It doesn't matter if their designed after the shape of a water-dwelling creature. I could make a car the shape of a fish but it wouldn't swim. And it's highly unlikely their weaponry could penetrate to the depths that submarines maintain. In atmosphere, they can't even kill a person when striking withing 5 meters.

Even if the Reapers managed to knock out the missile subs, there have got to be smaller scale tactical devices that would still be able to destroy a Reaper.  

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We'll kill them damn commie Reapers.

 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I've lived in the midwest. It's really not as back-asswards as many on the coasts seem to believe. There's electricity, smart phones, cable/satellite TV, Internet, indoor plumbing, all the fixtures at a fraction of the cost of living.

I remember Allers had another blurb suggesting that just about everyone in the highly-rural Taiga region was harvested. We're talking about a widely-dispersed population. I don't think they ever explained how exactly the Reapers managed that, or put much thought into how they could manage that.

 

Ditto, I'm in the Midwest right now too. Granted, I'm less than 30 minutes from Chicago by car right now (I'm thinking of moving out West again), but even when I lived with my folks outside Indianapolis, it was never back-asswards in terms of technology, communication, or news (though I can say that this doesn't extend to philosophy, politics, or worldviews). I can see some groups like Anabaptists and the various sects underneath (Amish, Mennonites, etc.) that might be surprised and shocked at the appearance of the Reapers, but I don't think anyone is going to be unaffected so to speak. Hell, the Midwest is one of the fastest growing regions in the United States today. I really don't think that's going to change. Even Granny's homestead out in the cornfields of Nebraska will get hit. You will see a bit of fringers and isolationists (the NRA nuts that are convinced Obama is going to turn America into a Socialist Muslim Empire for example), but they'd all feel the burn of the Reaper invasion.

[FlyingSquirrel]

_{Is the idea from ME3 that the Reapers harvest in larger cities but wipe out medium-sized cities (e.g. Adelaide which is reported as just wiped out)?}

[DeinonSlayer]

Reapers are space ships. It doesn't matter if their designed after the shape of a water-dwelling creature. I could make a car the shape of a fish but it wouldn't swim. And it's highly unlikely their weaponry could penetrate to the depths that submarines maintain. In atmosphere, they can't even kill a person when striking withing 5 meters.
Even if the Reapers managed to knock out the missile subs, there have got to be smaller scale tactical devices that would still be able to destroy a Reaper.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that a projectile travelling an appreciable fraction of the speed of light wouldn't have any trouble hitting a sub underwater. Sustained fire would probably punch clean through the planet. They were never very accurate in depicting the force of these weapons - the heat alone from the beam would probably char-broil anyone within a hundred meters; no need for a direct hit. The concussion from any one of the shots Shepard calls down on Rannoch would reduce him to a fine paste at the range we see.

[Han Shot First]

The U.S is probably decimated. I live in a suburb just outside Philadelphia so my neighborhood might have been spared.

 

What is now the United States (in game it is part of the United North American States, which includes Canada and Mexico) would probably be fine, or at least as well as any territory could be after being invaded by the Reapers. Its a huge landmass that would be difficult to occupy for any invading army. Even if the Reapers decimate the cities you also still have many millions living in more rural areas. I think the nations at most risk for ceasing to exist would be those that occupy a relatively small amount of territory.

[fhs33721]

Reapers are space ships. It doesn't matter if their designed after the shape of a water-dwelling creature. I could make a car the shape of a fish but it wouldn't swim. And it's highly unlikely their weaponry could penetrate to the depths that submarines maintain. In atmosphere, they can't even kill a person when striking withing 5 meters.

Even if the Reapers managed to knock out the missile subs, there have got to be smaller scale tactical devices that would still be able to destroy a Reaper.  

Reapers aren't sapce ships onnly. They are clearly cabable of walking around on firm ground as well. Nothing leads me to believe the only terrain they can't handle would be water, considering:

 

1)Again they are designed after an aquatic race.

2) A Reaper was sent to deal with Leviathans, who are underwater.

3)The cataclyst managed to defeat an aquatic race at least once before. I doubt he would create minnions that couldn't handle harvesting another one. If they couldn't funktion underwater, what would they do if there was an advanced aquatic race? Say: "Noooo! We can't do it. We'll have to blow of the cycles. Sorry guys lets search another Galaxy to torment."  This clearly doesn't happen, as they attack this cycle although the hanar are auactic.

 

While we never saw if Reapers swim, it seems very unlikely they can't

 

Also the bolded part is just Shepards shamefully obvious plot-armor.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Reapers are space ships. It doesn't matter if their designed after the shape of a water-dwelling creature. I could make a car the shape of a fish but it wouldn't swim. And it's highly unlikely their weaponry could penetrate to the depths that submarines maintain. In atmosphere, they can't even kill a person when striking withing 5 meters.

Even if the Reapers managed to knock out the missile subs, there have got to be smaller scale tactical devices that would still be able to destroy a Reaper.  

 

The Reapers are specifically mentioned to be capable of cutting the undersea telecommunication cables, and have done so. Your analogy is improper. Their weaponry is a stream of molten metal held in a magnetic field. It's going to cut through water like hot butter, no matter how deep. And as for in atmosphere, that's mainly because the Reaper is trying to limit collateral damage so that the Shroud poisons the atmosphere. It's a lot easier than going about and hunting the Krogan at once. Anything else is plot contrivance.

 

There probably are smaller tactical devices that can destroy a Reaper. That said, said Reapers are going to know about it, and they're going to do their damndest to stop it. The Turians and Krogan did this: You'd have to infiltrate a Reaper and blow it up from the inside. Not an easy task to do.

[Cknarf]

Well, we can see how it went for all of 22nd century Earth lol.

Our military would probably put up a better fight than most, but I don't think there'd be any victories against anything other than ground forces.

In current times, I'd like to think that the U.S., with all of our privately-owned firearms, civilians would at least be able to drop a few husks and cannibals.  I can't imagine they'd fare too well against much else. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Also, something here that's been bothering me: If you think you're city or town got 'decimated', you got off very lucky.

 

Decimation is to reduce by a tenth. Whenever you say something got decimated, you're saying that ten percent was destroyed. 

 

The human race got decimated: Ten percent of the human race was destroyed. Ninety person are fine.

 

Just a pet peeve of mine.

[SwobyJ]

Also, something here that's been bothering me: If you think you're city or town got 'decimated', you got off very lucky.

 

Decimation is to reduce by a tenth. Whenever you say something got decimated, you're saying that ten percent was destroyed. 

 

The human race got decimated: Ten percent of the human race was destroyed. Ninety person are fine.

 

Just a pet peeve of mine.

 

Oh yeah, me too.

[Han Shot First]

10% of Earth's population in ME3 is something like 1.1. billion people.

 

That actually might be about right.