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[TheTurtle]

I don't know if this has been a thread before, but I wanted to know you guys opinion. So what characters do you think might have looked better on paper than the way they were presented on screen?

I'm going to go with an easy one and say Kai Leng. It seems like the writers had a good intentions when they wrote him, but as we all saw those intentions didn't translate well onto paper.

Another person for me would be Jacob. I jave the feeling he was written as the Everyman, but the way he was excuted made him look boring. There are moments when you can see it, but for the most part the attempt falls flat.

So who do you think looked better on paper than in game?

*Note- Please don't try to turn this into a hate thread of any kind it benefits no one.

[SwobyJ]

Jacob, Kai Leng, of course.

 

Oh and well James isn't nearly as interesting as how he was being sold. However, he's also not boring, so there's that!

 

Most of ME2's characters are solid.

 

ME3's characterization left to be desired, at least in itself. I feel that they were more meant to serve the plot(and/or narrative), which harmed them, just as the boost in characterization in ME2 seemed to harm the main plot.

[Iakus]

Catalyst is way too obvious an answer.

 

So I think I'll go with "sex appeal Ashley" in ME3.

 

Quiet, inoffensive, sit in a corner and look pretty, rather than be the "zealous bigot" of ME1.

 

Edit:  In ME2, I think I'd add Morinth.

 

How is recruiting a seriel-killing rapist addicted to death and with mind-contorl powers a good idea?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Edit:  In ME2, I think I'd add Morinth.

 

How is recruiting a seriel-killing rapist addicted to death and with mind-contorl powers a good idea?

 

 

She wasn't a rapist (lol). Her partners were willing. They just didn't know sex = death (unless that fits some legal definition of rape I'm not aware of).

 

Truth be told, I'm so low on Samara to begin with that Morinth is not much of a downgrade in my eyes.

 

Not that I recruit her. I actually dislike both characters, as it is, so I ignore Samara's recruitment and pretend neither one exists. On paper, though, a sex vampire is a pretty interesting character concept. I just hate the convenient "It's okay: I can turn into my mother!"-nonsense.

[Derpy]

Just about all the characters but Joker and Garrus.

[Cainhurst Crow]

A lot of salarians ME3 feel like the ideas behind their actions weren't bad, but the execution was. On paper they're suppose to show thst not every race can get along with one another, offer a counterpoint and consequence ti siding with the krogan, and would have been a good thing to have in the game. As it happens though they just end up coming off as a bunch of overly emotional big babies clinging to the past to the point they dont send any forces to help keep mass extinction from occurring if you don't do things their way. A great departure from the logic driven, willing to compromise for the greater good, portrayals of earlier games.

[Iakus]

She wasn't a rapist (lol). Her partners were willing. They just didn't know sex = death (unless that fits some legal definition of rape I'm not aware of).

 

And what was Morinth trying to do to Shepard before Samara bursts in?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Diana Allers is a very big one I think. Kai Leng of course. The Salarian Dalatrass as well. Some characters were also plain bad ideas.

[Iakus]

How could I have forgetten Allers!

 

Maybe I just mentally blocked her out

[Derpy]

Lets see...

 

Diana

Kai Lame

Udina

Quarian admirals (except Daro'Xen)

Ashley

Jacob

Cortez

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[Manc4life7]

I fully realize that this will probably get me shouted off the boards, but.......

 

 

 

 

.........Javik.

 

I have never really been able to fully flesh out why, but Javik didn't resonate with me like he (apparently) did with nearly everyone else.  The idea of finding the last Prothean, and having him be something of a warrior-philosopher sounds awesome.  But then some guy with with a Caribbean accent (so strange) shows up, and he has this odd "communication through touch" space magic ability, and....I don't know, but I just have trouble really getting into the character as it is presented.

 

In my humble opinion they should have made him more "alien", more cold and calculating - not so outspoken and passionate.  The Protheans were always portrayed as this hyper-advanced race (even by the standards of the current cycle's races) that conquered the known galaxy like no other race before or since, so I would expect them to be more cerebral and less prone to outward displays of emotion. 

[Derpy]

Javik is the coolest guy on the Normandy next to Joker. Javik is the biggest troll as well.

[Manc4life7]

Javik is the coolest guy on the Normandy next to Joker. Javik is the biggest troll as well.

 

That he is.  Maybe that is part of why I didn't like his presentation.  Again, I guess it goes back to the picture I had in my mind for a Prothean (guided by what we saw in ME1 & ME2), and it just wasn't Javik.

[Derpy]

I could care less what is character is like. He is freaking hilarious to watch taunt the crew. 

[FlyingSquirrel]

Amanda Kenson. Having someone be indoctrinated into an almost cult-like veneration of the Reapers, as opposed to what we saw from Saren or TIM, was a good idea, but then she has some borderline Let Me Explain My Evil Plan Before I Kill You moments to move the plot along.

 

1) If she wants the invasion to proceed, she shouldn't tell the batarians or Shepard *anything* about the Reapers. The batarians were likely unaware of the Alpha Relay's significance, and all Shepard has to go on is Hackett's message. Even if Shepard succeeds at finding her, she should stall for time, claim that what she found was a batarian hoax, or do something other than tell Shepard the whole story.

 

2) She should have backup standing by to hit Shepard with Overload, Stasis, and any other non-lethal attack the second the Object Rho vision subsides, instead of calling for help *after* Shepard starts to fight back.

 

3) Once Shepard is knocked out, she should put Shepard on a ship headed for as far from the Bahak system as possible. Instead, Shepard gets left in the one location where (s)he can, and does, foil the invasion plan. It would be like capturing a terrorist who has a nuclear weapon, knocking him out, and leaving him lying unconscious right next to the "red button."

[path0geN7]

I'll say the Salarian Dalatrass. I understand that there needs to be a voice of opposition regarding the genophage cure, but I didn't like her logic of automatically assuming what the Krogan would do after the Reaper War.

[wiccame]

Leviathan....can kill a reaper in seconds without touching it. Could easily end the harvest themselves, but can we use them...course not.

It's understandable why, but it's ridiculous to even bring in a godly super weapon if we can't even use it.

[Oni Changas]

Kai Leng.

 

As literal as one can ****** get. (I mean no offense with the f-bomb, just emphasizing).

 

Dude was this hardened badass enforcer/wetwork soldier in Retribution (Deception is NOT canon). He was THE right hand of TIM and had a very clever and tactically shrewed mind. He trashed armored turians in hand to hand by exploiting their lack of agility and made Anderson his whipping boy in addition to having a sort of Jack Krauser dynamic with Shepard ready to be used if only they got him right in the games. We all know what happened...

[Oni Changas]

That he is.  Maybe that is part of why I didn't like his presentation.  Again, I guess it goes back to the picture I had in my mind for a Prothean (guided by what we saw in ME1 & ME2), and it just wasn't Javik.

Indeed. Despite eventually liking Javik, I still think the Protheans we were being shown and built up for should have been what Liara interpreted them as. I think what they did was far cheaper than what we were expecting, as there really any sort of "old wisdom" type of character in the ME series.

[TheTurtle]

I fully realize that this will probably get me shouted off the boards, but.......




.........Javik.

I have never really been able to fully flesh out why, but Javik didn't resonate with me like he (apparently) did with nearly everyone else. The idea of finding the last Prothean, and having him be something of a warrior-philosopher sounds awesome. But then some guy with with a Caribbean accent (so strange) shows up, and he has this odd "communication through touch" space magic ability, and....I don't know, but I just have trouble really getting into the character as it is presented.

In my humble opinion they should have made him more "alien", more cold and calculating - not so outspoken and passionate. The Protheans were always portrayed as this hyper-advanced race (even by the standards of the current cycle's races) that conquered the known galaxy like no other race before or since, so I would expect them to be more cerebral and less prone to outward displays of emotion.

Damn I was hoping to keep this Javik free. Now David is going to come a regale us with tales of heroism and how Javik is the wet dream of every renegade player.

But seriously you guys have a lot of good points in certain characters keep it up.

[ImaginaryMatter]

To name a few:

 

Kai Leng: On paper I think his idea was very solid. He is (or was supposed to be) the anti-Shepard who robs Shepard of essential victories and kills squadmates, and in a game filled with robot zombies and kilometer long space robots it would have been to great to have a more personable face. Unfortunately, in execution it fell completely flat on its face. Besides Kai Leng being a terribly designed boss with a terrible gimmick -- literal plot armor and melee based (in a cover based third person shooter) -- which just made combat against him basic target practice exercise, he suffered from over indulgence from cutscenes. Besides being horribly written they created a huge disconnect between combat and cutscene; like with the Thessia fight the guy sticks his sword into the ground and then proceeds to run up and man handle the squadmates, which is presumably what Kai Leng was trying to do in the first place but couldn't because people were sending bullets at him, but now because it's a cutscene it works. Ultimately, I think he's a parable for what not to do in video games, namely replacing combat scenes with cutscenes.

 

Dianna Allers: On paper I guess she was supposed to serve as a bridge between the crew of the Normandy and the outside world. Unfortunately, Allers suffered because she was Jessica Chobit with a terribly written character, poor voice acting, a weird romance, and overall just coming off as some marketing ploy.

 

Samara: I don't have a problem with her character (I actually like it) but rather just a single aspect of her character, the Justicar Code. While a character who serves as some sort of monk adhering to an ancient doctrine is intriguing, Samara suffers as a character from it because some of the tenets come off as completely arbitrary or as a handwave to move the plot along. Also, I found it weird that Samara and the Code were often associated with Paragons when the first time Samara appears she is performing an arguably Renegade action (you think Paragon Shep would turn the mercenaries into the authorities).

 

She wasn't a rapist (lol). Her partners were willing. They just didn't know sex = death (unless that fits some legal definition of rape I'm not aware of).

 

Mind rape?

[themikefest]

I'll say the Salarian Dalatrass. I understand that there needs to be a voice of opposition regarding the genophage cure, but I didn't like her logic of automatically assuming what the Krogan would do after the Reaper War.

The same can be said about the Asari councillor saying 'We've been down this road before. Your plan seems doom to failure. So the Asari will not be at your summit". At least the Dalatross was at the summit.

[Obadiah]

Udina. He was simply executed in a completely unlikeable way (except for certain parts of ME3) which made no sense, since he is a politician who gains power only when people like and support him.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The same can be said about the Asari councillor saying 'We've been down this road before. Your plan seems doom to failure. So the Asari will not be at your summit". At least the Dalatross was at the summit.

 

Ugh, I found that part awful.

 

"Well Councilor I guess sitting on your couch is a much better use of your time than a possible galactic alliance."