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Ugh, I found that part awful.
"Well Councilor I guess sitting on your couch is a much better use of your time than a possible galactic alliance."
Asari Councilor "Hey! that's a pretty good idea, we're just going to chill here while you figure out a way to unite the races of the Galaxy, against the killer robot cuttlefish. But don't worry, we'll get back to you when we need your help on Thessia. Just make sure you apologize to us if you fail."
That Javik wasn't a textbook example of how the protheans were built up to be is precisely why I liked him. It made him more real, and much better than saying, "gee Liara, you were right all along."
How is recruiting a seriel-killing rapist addicted to death and with mind-contorl powers a good idea?
How is it not? 
Well by having to sacrifice the insanely powerful warrior monk already sworn to your service, I guess.
Leviathan....can kill a reaper in seconds without touching it. Could easily end the harvest themselves, but can we use them...course not.
It's understandable why, but it's ridiculous to even bring in a godly super weapon if we can't even use it.
We don't know that it kills it. Given how the lights flicker and die and how the Leviathan's primary defense on that planet is an EMP type pulse, the Reaper could very much still be alive... at least until it gets ripped apart underwater (which would've been awesome to see).
Also three Leviathans cannot take on the entirety of the Reapers. If they could, they would've done it, millenia ago.
Otherwise yeah, I don't think meeting the creators of the Reapers is a good idea, even on paper.
To the OP: I agree with the running contenders (Kai Leng, Jacob). I also think Jack was a terrible idea in the current plot of ME2 even though she has an interesting character on its own. And though I understand why Thane is supposed to be awesome, I never really cared.
That Javik wasn't a textbook example of how the protheans were built up to be is precisely why I liked him. It made him more real, and much better than saying, "gee Liara, you were right all along."
Maybe a dev has spoken on this, but I honestly think this is what BioWare was going for with Javik. They deliberatly went away from the Prothean image they had been building up for the first two games in an effort to make him more relatable as a character.
ETA: Also, it gave them a chance to "spice up" the interactions between Liara and Javik.
@ CrutchCricket: I'm going to put a caveat in here that I've never looked at any of the codex entries (or other sources of info) about Leviathan, but do we know that there are only three Leviathan left? There could be dozens or more scattered all over the planet.
Javik's accent is not Caribbean.
The fact that Javik meets none of Liara's expectations is what makes me like his character so much. Hell BioWare even went far enough to make sure that he not only knew nothing about the Crucible, but wasn't even a scientist.
@ CrutchCricket: I'm going to put a caveat in here that I've never looked at any of the codex entries (or other sources of info) about Leviathan, but do we know that there are only three Leviathan left? There could be dozens or more scattered all over the planet.
We see only three. There could be more but the point remains: if they could've stopped the Reapers, they would've done so a long time ago.
@ CrutchCricket: I'm going to put a caveat in here that I've never looked at any of the codex entries (or other sources of info) about Leviathan, but do we know that there are only three Leviathan left? There could be dozens or more scattered all over the planet.
The issue is, even then, they're still all on just one planet. On a planet where there is no means to escape for the Leviathans.
That's part of how I'd treat the Leviathans post-war. Leave them to their devices in the cold depths. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Samara: I don't have a problem with her character (I actually like it) but rather just a single aspect of her character, the Justicar Code. While a character who serves as some sort of monk adhering to an ancient doctrine is intriguing, Samara suffers as a character from it because some of the tenets come off as completely arbitrary or as a handwave to move the plot along. Also, I found it weird that Samara and the Code were often associated with Paragons when the first time Samara appears she is performing an arguably Renegade action (you think Paragon Shep would turn the mercenaries into the authorities).
I just want to say that Paragon/Blue at the time of ME2 for Shepard, isn't the same as Paragon/Blue for another character.
Blue often really just means.. any code/Code/Order/Law. It means a restraint of freedom, for the cause of something beyond yourself.
So to Samara, it doesn't matter if she internally disagrees with killing that merc. She already prioritized the Code over all things - until finally challenged by the possible death of her last daughter. At that point, she partially relents, and stands at crossroads. Unable to kill her daughter, but unable to give up the Code that she kept for 100s of years.
Paragon Shepard is rather different. I consider him 'core' Renegade. He's not looking to keep a moral code. He instead has an obligation to whatever he's more allied with (first Alliance, then Cerberus, then Alliance again). *They* have power over him, not their ideals.
But we can go Paragon, in order to resist that dominance over Shepard's values, and try to 'find other ways'. Whenever we go Paragon, we're LOOKING for a 'code', a way to help others beyond our central duty or self-service.
Just so happens that eventually this means that we find our Code. As a Reaper Controller.
The issue is, even then, they're still all on just one planet. On a planet where there is no means to escape for the Leviathans.
That's part of how I'd treat the Leviathans post-war. Leave them to their devices in the cold depths. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Aside from the fact that it would take quite a long time to get there while the relay network is slowly being rebuilt, you can simply warn everyone to hold off on rebuilding the relay in that system pretty much indefinitely. I'm curious how they'd survive with no thralls and seemingly no fish on that planet, though I'd pretty much wish that they can't, and leave them to their extinction.
I think Morinth is a partial failure.
I think she would have been better if she was more powerful than Samara in some scenes/one key scene. Like could do a few extra powerful things that Samara could not.
You then have to face the moral issue of going for a more powerful chaotic psychopath, or a more diligent lawful mother. Both murderers by most ordinary standards, but you'd have to prioritize what you care more about, and what you want to ignore.
Instead, they just gave her Samara's place in the story, entirely.
I don't blame them for making her a random banshee in ME3.
But then some guy with with a Caribbean accent (so strange) shows up, and he has this odd "communication through touch" space magic ability, and....I don't know, but I just have trouble really getting into the character as it is presented.
Javik's accent isn't even close to being Caribbean. Its funny how many people mistake it for Jamaican or something similar though. The BSN is not good with accents.
Javik has an African (Nigerian) accent.
Of course there are more than 3 Leviathan, they reproduce. Unless their birth rate is ridiculously low then there should be millions of them at least, they've been hiding for millions, if not billions of years, their numbers should be way up by now.
I suspect that they'd most likely be living in remote parts of the galaxy, that's assuming that they exist anywhere other than that one planet Shepard visits. In any case, they're pretty much cut off from the rest of the galaxy if the relays in those systems are uninhabited.
I think Morinth is a partial failure.
I think she would have been better if she was more powerful than Samara in some scenes/one key scene. Like could do a few extra powerful things that Samara could not.
You then have to face the moral issue of going for a more powerful chaotic psychopath, or a more diligent lawful mother. Both murderers by most ordinary standards, but you'd have to prioritize what you care more about, and what you want to ignore.
Instead, they just gave her Samara's place in the story, entirely.
I don't blame them for making her a random banshee in ME3.
But you already have the psycho superpowered biotic in ack, there was no need for two. Now it Jack had been cut, then I could see the significance of the choice.
And I know I'll get SUPER flack for this, but Kasumi was that one character for me. Why would I need a thief on a suicide mission to an alien world?
Aside from the fact that it would take quite a long time to get there while the relay network is slowly being rebuilt, you can simply warn everyone to hold off on rebuilding the relay in that system pretty much indefinitely. I'm curious how they'd survive with no thralls and seemingly no fish on that planet, though I'd pretty much wish that they can't, and leave them to their extinction.
The thing I have for them is to track every single orb that they give us to use against the Reapers, and destroy them. Destroy the orbs, and there's no chance for them to enthrall you. Once the mass relay to the cluster they're in is repaired, leave a number of warnings and a small battlefleet in orbit to prevent anyone from landing or leaving.
Javik's accent isn't even close to being Caribbean. Its funny how many people mistake it for Jamaican or something similar though. The BSN is not good with accents.
Javik has an African (Nigerian) accent.
Oh, for the love of.....
I, like many people who played ME3, have not had a chance to travel to western Africa and partake in that particular region's cultures first-hand. I have been to the Caribbean, so of all the regional/national accents I have any experience with, Javik comes nearest to sounding Jamaican. Based on all the "He's not Jamaican!!!1!11" comments that appear to be out there, I am not even close to being the only person with this "weakness".
Of course there are more than 3 Leviathan, they reproduce. Unless their birth rate is ridiculously low then there should be millions of them at least, they've been hiding for millions, if not billions of years, their numbers should be way up by now.
One of the popular player misconceptions is that the three Leviathans Shepard meets were actual survivors of the first Reaper War. That isn't the case. Those players apparently missed that the Leviathan tells Shepard that they are the progeny of the Leviathans who once ruled a galaxy-spanning Empire. They are their descendents.
Given that they appear not to be immortal, and that the species has survived for billions of years...there would have to be a lot more than 3.
And what was Morinth trying to do to Shepard before Samara bursts in?
Sex/murder ... unless Shepard is mentally strong enough to turn her down and chooses to. Which is funny, considering a mentally-weak Shepard will only be able to side with Samara in the biotic-deadlock (you'd think he/she would be compelled to Morinth in that case).
And I know I'll get SUPER flack for this, but Kasumi was that one character for me. Why would I need a thief on a suicide mission to an alien world?
I always assumed it was Kasumi's technical expertise and talents for infiltration and sabotage that made her more valuable. Being a thief was more of a detail in her abilities than anything.
The thing I have for them is to track every single orb that they give us to use against the Reapers, and destroy them. Destroy the orbs, and there's no chance for them to enthrall you. Once the mass relay to the cluster they're in is repaired, leave a number of warnings and a small battlefleet in orbit to prevent anyone from landing or leaving.
It would be interesting to see how the rest of the galaxy responds to the news that the Leviathan species is the one that created the entity that created the reapers. I imagine the krogan and turians would have a field day with that one. Wish I could be there with space popcorn.
But you already have the psycho superpowered biotic in ack, there was no need for two. Now it Jack had been cut, then I could see the significance of the choice.
And I know I'll get SUPER flack for this, but Kasumi was that one character for me. Why would I need a thief on a suicide mission to an alien world?
Because she can hack unfamiliar technology better than anyone? And come on, a suicide mission to the galactic core without a space ninja?
Oh, for the love of.....
I, like many people who played ME3, have not had a chance to travel to western Africa and partake in that particular region's cultures first-hand. I have been to the Caribbean, so of all the regional/national accents I have any experience with, Javik comes nearest to sounding Jamaican. Based on all the "He's not Jamaican!!!1!11" comments that appear to be out there, I am not even close to being the only person with this "weakness".
When I said that the BSN was bad with accents, it wasn't intended as criticism. It was just an observation.
It isn't just limited to Javik either. Lots of people mistook Dr. Michel's accent for anything but French. I even had one poster who argued with me that it was Polish or something like that.
Someone thought Michel's accent was Polish? Well...that's something.
Between the nosebleed and the autodialogue in the shuttle after resurfacing, I suspect Shepard is already a Leviathan thrall at the end of the DLC. If that's the case, good luck enforcing the policy of destroying those orbs. I'd just as soon not have their help.The thing I have for them is to track every single orb that they give us to use against the Reapers, and destroy them. Destroy the orbs, and there's no chance for them to enthrall you. Once the mass relay to the cluster they're in is repaired, leave a number of warnings and a small battlefleet in orbit to prevent anyone from landing or leaving.
Between the nosebleed and the autodialogue in the shuttle after resurfacing, I suspect Shepard is already a Leviathan thrall at the end of the DLC. If that's the case, good luck enforcing the policy of destroying those orbs. I'd just as soon not have their help.
I don't think he's a thrall. This is going to likely go back to the whole case of 'Shepard immunity' but still. The Leviathans never controlled him so much as made him comatose while holding him in their mind to converse with him, something they aren't seen to be doing with anyone else.
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