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#101
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Jacob Taylor: He seemed like an interesting character, listening to Jacob's views on Alliance politics and the Council made me agreed with him on some of his views (that shows how absorbed I was into the universe). Jacob had some potential to be a character that stood out without the need to be mentally unstable or have major personal issues, but after the Freedom's progress misssion, he disappears back into the shadows of uninterest. Now in ME3 he becomes more a "just a guy" character and seemed to very absent-minded. A waste in my eyes.

 

Ashley Williams: A bit similar in the case of Jacob, Ashley was a normal soldier, who lacked character development in ME3. There is not much to say on Ashley other than she was great in ME1 and her brief appearence in ME2.

 

James Vega: A Jacob 2.0 in my opinion. It felt like a second attempt on Jacob except with a Californian vibe. Honestly, I wish James became a lifeguard instead of a marine.

 

EDI: Even though EDI progressed well as a character, I found her presence to be a bit annoying and a hinderance, I did not like how she assumed the role as the "synthetic companion" and served as something as a bridge between the "rights for synthetics" debacle. Given the fact Shepard could not fully be against the idea of synthetics.

 

Kai Leng: I had a great interest in Kai Leng from the extended material and was quite excited to see him go up against Commander Shepard, but as shared by others, found him to lack any form of interest. I do not know if it was the cybernetic implants or the indoctrination that hampered any ability for him to show any characteristics. He was a disappoitment.



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I'll go back to playing DA2 and avoid this thread.



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You are ALL banu.

 

As am I.



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I..I..I don't even... what?

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Catalyst is way too obvious an answer.

 

So I think I'll go with "sex appeal Ashley" in ME3.

 

Quiet, inoffensive, sit in a corner and look pretty, rather than be the "zealous bigot" of ME1.

 

Edit:  In ME2, I think I'd add Morinth.

 

How is recruiting a seriel-killing rapist addicted to death and with mind-contorl powers a good idea?

 

Add in Leng, Allers, and Indoc!TIM


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As for your idea on the stealth ship, I'm just going to say that you're crossing into paranoia with that. I know not to underestimate the Leviathans, but I really think you're overestimating them.


How am I overestimating the Leviathans by referencing a technology that's becoming more and more common? First it was just the Normandy, now the quarians suspiciously have it for some reason, and you know Cerberus isn't going to only outfit one ship with it..

The ships are there, for the thralls' taking.
 

Also, the observation isn't so much to cover the entire planet. It's more to keep people out. You're making just as many, if not more assumptions, as me. The only point I'd take in any kind of serious contention is the idea that more science teams might be enthralled. Also, preventing organic stupidity is easy. Exploit their greed. I change something. Instead of marking the system as a military reserve, I'd mark it as a scouted system that was surveyed and found to have nothing in the way of valuable resources or opportunity. It'll get ignored, and it's in a region of space that is already fairly remote. No ones going to bother with it if there's nothing there.


I was referring more to thralls sneaking in and out and the equivalent of perimeter guards being sloppy than randoms just stumbling on the planet. Randoms are irrelevant. Thralls flying under the radar you can't prevent.
 

As I said, I really think you're overestimating their capabilities in an effort to be 'crazy prepared'. To be frank, it comes off as extremely unrealistic and paranoid. You're putting all these what-if's together and then ascribing them to the Leviathans, and relying on a 'we don't know that they can't' ideal to justify it.

 

Wrong. We know that they can. Yes, the stuff about being able to leave on their own power or being able to fling the orbs into space, that's speculation. I wouldn't base an argument on that. But using thralls as sleepers and using subterfuge to sneak past your little blockade? Hell that's puny human stuff. Of course they can do it.

It's not paranoid at all. My point is to show you can't possibly bottle them up. This isn't a game preserve. You can't just install the space version of a little electric fence around it with "No Trespassing" signs and expect that will work.

Leviathans were the apex race of the galaxy. Their arrogance knows no bounds. Everything in their dialogue indicates all they care about is thralls and if given the chance they would rise up and take over the galaxy again. They were only taken down and kept in check by the Reapers. And that wasn't through containment. That was through massive destruction and genocide. Without the Reapers around, the Leviathans must be destroyed. Unless you want your newly freed galaxy to scrub their scales for the rest of their lives.
 

And I honestly believe they didn't plan for that eventuality. I don't believe the Leviathans are the 'crazy prepared' species you're making them out to be. I think that they'd start thinking about it once Shepard brings it to their attention, but I think they have too many behavioral issues to plan for the eventuality of being discovered. I think we'll be fine as long as no new thralls come to the planet. In fact, with all the Reaper tech scattered across the galaxy post-destroy, we'll have plenty of things waiting for them. In fact, you'd probably be able to mitigate the stealth ship with the Reaper sensors.


Are you kidding me? This is the species that wiped all traces of themselves from the galaxy once the Reapers have left. Did you not notice how hard they were trying to stay hidden? That game is up. They know it's up. Only an idiot would fail to realize that it's up. They aren't very confident in us puny organics winning the war so of course they're going to plan for worst case. That's not being "crazy prepared" or paranoid. That's just common sense and not being a dumbass. Yes they're arrogant. But before that arrogance comes survival. And the Leviathans didn't survive untold milennia just to die because some uppity human couldn't leave well enough alone.


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#107
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Also what's everyone freaking out about?

 

Methinks a mod has pruned this thread. Did I miss something good?



#108
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Also what's everyone freaking out about?

 

Methinks a mod has pruned this thread. Did I miss something good?

Very, very good. 

And slightly disturbing.



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Very, very good. 

And slightly disturbing.

 

post-23065-Tyrion-Lannister-quote-Were-g

 

Now from the beginning



#110
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post-23065-Tyrion-Lannister-quote-Were-g

 

Now from the beginning

Well, it involved Doctor Who, the Dark Lord Revan, and a tad bit of Putin



#111
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It all started with Clint Eastwood glaring down Javik...



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And carried into, the Doctor glaring him. Then Tychus Findlay glaring down him, on so on.

 

And Vladamir Putin can guide missiles with his mind too.



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And carried into, the Doctor glaring him. Then Tychus Findlay glaring down him, on so on.

 

And Vladamir Putin can guide missiles with his mind too.

Actually, he was making that asteroid turn around and flee with a single hard stare.



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Actually, he was making that asteroid turn around and flee with a single hard stare.

 

I found real footage of this happening.

 

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#115
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I found real footage of this happening.

 

BDMF4cxCAAA_Txf.jpg

 

Screw Shepard, TIM and Project Lazarus got the wrong dude.



#116
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lol...

 

I guess I kinda had to be here, eh?



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Waht r u stoopid? jacub is lik da besrt evrrr

 

heueuehue I couldn't resist :-)

 

Generally I've enjoyed every character BioWare has written more or less. Even Jacob. It was kind of nice to have a kind of 'normal' person in the team. Someone with no ideals other than just "it's my job, so yeah."

 

I'm not really sure how to respond. The awful characters never looked good anywhere really, and by that I meant TIM in ME3.

 

Udina?

 

Yeah, his whole 'coup' attempt was stupid, especially for somebody who seemed to have the slightest grasp at basic politics. Maybe her was desperate? Or indoctrinated? There are hints here and there, but when it comes to major plot points, you need more than just 'hints' to justify a completely 180* move. TIM had lost a few IQ points by then, so yeah, but Udina? Nah.

 

I mean, he was a ****, but being a douche isn't the same as being stupid.

 

Yeah, Udina should have been a lot more conniving. I mean, he was pretty much the token political ******* but lacked any of the tact to make him seem plausible. Now I just think of him as a washed-out man working above his pay grade by attempting to muck with the council. He could have been a lot more insidious but he fell by the wayside.

 

Also... And this might get me some hate: TIM.

 

I mean, yeah, he's very mysterious but his line feels pretty worn by the time we get through ME2. I know we are supposed to think that he is steadfast in his support of Humanity and his extremes but he feels more like a warlord than anything. Cerberus seemed simply to be unrealistically overfunded over the games rather than a truly secretive and manipulative organization, and that's what TIM showed. He was a man in a suit with big ideas and ends to justify means... But he is not as secretive or as mysterious as I would have liked him to be.



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They very very very very very likely have orbs in many places.

 

They've been watching Shepard. I know this is crazy theory for others, but I think its made pretty evident that combined with sidequests, DLCs, etc, we understand enough to know that Leviathans have a vested interest in how organics perform against the Reapers.

Of course I'm only theorizing, because as much as we learned about Leviathan there's a whole lot we still don't know. Having said that, there's no reason why indoctrinated thrall(s) couldn't take a couple dozen of the artifacts and place them on different planets. They may have even done it hundreds of thousands of years ago. Though I can see that a big reason why not is the increased chance of discovery.



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I agree with those who said Kai Leng and Jacob. They were literally better on paper, in my opinion. Kai Leng was awesome in Retribution, one of my favorite characters in the MEU. Jacob also seemed more interesting to me in the Foundation comic than he did during most of his time in the games. 



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lol...

 

I guess I kinda had to be here, eh?

Yes, you did kinda have to be here. 



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Of course I'm only theorizing, because as much as we learned about Leviathan there's a whole lot we still don't know. Having said that, there's no reason why indoctrinated thrall(s) couldn't take a couple dozen of the artifacts and place them on different planets. They may have even done it hundreds of thousands of years ago. Though I can see that a big reason why not is the increased chance of discovery.

 

Yep.

 

It's not that I think they controlled the Prothians, for example.

 

But dominating some of them, placing their own versions of the orbs (ones that the Reapers might not detect) around?

Nudging species into certain forms of natural/organic evolution.

Placing orbs as scrying stones (AH, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE!) to observe the progress of organic civilizations?

 

It just wouldn't surprise me. Not something I'm asserting as fact though.

 

It would somewhat mean that the Leviathans are setting us up to be at war with the Reapers. But I don't think it works as clearly as that. Like, I believe their seeming dejection/pessimism when you meet them, at least.

 

Lose so many chess matches and you just want to give up..



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I agree with those who said Kai Leng and Jacob. They were literally better on paper, in my opinion. Kai Leng was awesome in Retribution, one of my favorite characters in the MEU. Jacob also seemed more interesting to me in the Foundation comic than he did during most of his time in the games. 

 

It's sad when the foundation of Jacob in a mobile game is better than ME2's version.



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It's sad when the foundation of Jacob in a mobile game is better than ME2's version.

 

I haven't played that one, don't have a device it was released on. What was Jacob's character like there? 



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I haven't played that one, don't have a device it was released on. What was Jacob's character like there? 

 

Less ridiculous.



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Jacob is 'ridiculous' in ME 2?

 

'Ridiculous'?

 

Does 'ridiculous' perhaps mean 'equipped with a functioning brain' to you?