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^ Kai Leng's appearance was very different in-game from what I imagined after reading his description in Retribution. I agree that his main problem is the writing though. His character in ME3 seems to be based more on how he was in Deception, rather than the original version of him. It's a strange disconnect. 

 

 

lol I hope not lol

 

I think he's just all "Believe it!" about the Suicide Mission. Yes Jacob, that's nice.

And now I'm going to think of Naruto every time I see him.  :lol:


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I hope there's a romance with a a synthetic character in the next ME 4.

 

Is that the sole reason you consider the relationship 'ridiculous'? Because it's between a human and a synthetic?

 

Well there's the fact that Joker only becomes interested when she gets that body that was clearly designed for the sole purpose of being sexy. And EDI is apparently the kind of robot that can experience romantic feelings; not sure when or how that happened - and I'm not even saying it's unfeasible, although no, I don't like the idea of synthetics being so 'human' and experiencing emotions, I hate what they did with the Geth in ME3 and I do in fact find human-synthetic love to be a silly idea. Well, unless it were done better than it was. But moreover there was no proper development whatsoever. Their relationship in ME2 was good, EDI even explained why it makes sense. Then all of a sudden there's love going on between them. It was just really unconvincing.


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TIM talks to leng like he is a disappointing child who hasn't done his house work for pocket money.
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Your Second problem is not the problem.  Kai Leng was just poorly written. Like Much of ME3 Cerberus. Frakky Frakky, A lot of  Me3 is poorly written.

 

I respectfully disagree then. His writing was the primary problem to be sure, but that character model was also lame.



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I respectfully disagree then. His writing was the primary problem to be sure, but that character model was also lame.

 

When he did that ninja pose thing I thought the screen was going to fade out and transition to a turn based combat system, which would be bad because I never bring any Phoenix Downs.


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I had to look up the exact quote but, any Reboot fans here? This is what the above post made me think of. :)

Bobzilla: MATRIX! STOP TRYING TO HIT HIM AND HIT HIM!


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I had to look up the exact quote but, any Reboot fans here? This is what the above post made me think of. :)

Bobzilla: MATRIX! STOP TRYING TO HIT HIM AND HIT HIM!

 

Hell yes, I love that show!



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Well there's the fact that Joker only becomes interested when she gets that body that was clearly designed for the sole purpose of being sexy. And EDI is apparently the kind of robot that can experience romantic feelings; not sure when or how that happened - and I'm not even saying it's unfeasible, although no, I don't like the idea of synthetics being so 'human' and experiencing emotions, I hate what they did with the Geth in ME3 and I do in fact find human-synthetic love to be a silly idea. Well, unless it were done better than it was. But moreover there was no proper development whatsoever. Their relationship in ME2 was good, EDI even explained why it makes sense. Then all of a sudden there's love going on between them. It was just really unconvincing.

 

I think the worst part of that ordeal was when Joker said, "Some light over the clothes action," and it didn't sound like he was joking.



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Well there's the fact that Joker only becomes interested when she gets that body that was clearly designed for the sole purpose of being sexy. And EDI is apparently the kind of robot that can experience romantic feelings; not sure when or how that happened - and I'm not even saying it's unfeasible, although no, I don't like the idea of synthetics being so 'human' and experiencing emotions, I hate what they did with the Geth in ME3 and I do in fact find human-synthetic love to be a silly idea. Well, unless it were done better than it was. But moreover there was no proper development whatsoever. Their relationship in ME2 was good, EDI even explained why it makes sense. Then all of a sudden there's love going on between them. It was just really unconvincing.

She can have a conversation with shep on the presidium about provoking a romantic relationship. If shep encourages it, they talk about having chemistry and finding common interests, etc. If a person wants to be cynical about it, they could say EDI is looking on the whole thing as an experiment, but I like EDI so I'm going to say she is experiencing life.



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Hell yes, I love that show!


I knew there was a reason I liked you. I wasn't to impressed with reboot's reboot though.

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Dirty fighting is best fighting.

 

 

The reason I say outside resources is because Liara relies completely on information fed to her by agents on the field. If they're dying off, which they were, and Cerberus leaves no trail to lead them to any evidence of the location of their base of operations, which they don't, then how would she track them down? Traynor, on the other hand, has access to the Normandy's computer system, which is how they track Leng after fleeing the Citadel, and even then it required Miranda/Oriana to go from there.

Actually they first tacked Kai leng down after Tessia and Liara also have access to EDI just saying.

They have more then one base, are you really telling me she couldn't at least find one of them and actually be more useful then stand around and do what ever she is doing again?



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As has been noted before that would make traynor redundant.

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As has been noted before that would make traynor redundant.

True, but it does make look Liara slightly incompetent at least from my point of view anyway.



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One thing I've considered about Liara being the Shadow Broker is that she depends on all her agents to feed her data, and then she has to sort through it all, and she has limited resources compared to what she had before the war started... not that I'm trying to be a Liara apologist, I actually don't think she should have ever become the Shadow Broker in the first place. I would have picked Miranda for that, but that's just me.


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The writers chose a certain direction for Liara in LotSB when they made her the Shadowbroker. One would think that they would follow up on it in ME3 by having Liara use her position to influence the game but apparently not.



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I knew there was a reason I liked you. I wasn't to impressed with reboot's reboot though.

 

I wasn't aware there was one. Unless you're talking about that article where they said they were planning one with none of the characters, settings or pretty much anything we knew and loved.

 

Most of that was retracted or at worst, claimed it was out of context.



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One thing I've considered about Liara being the Shadow Broker is that she depends on all her agents to feed her data, and then she has to sort through it all, and she has limited resources compared to what she had before the war started... not that I'm trying to be a Liara apologist, I actually don't think she should have ever become the Shadow Broker in the first place. I would have picked Miranda for that, but that's just me.

I would made Barla Von the Shadow Broker if we couldn't make Miranda the broker.

 

As has been noted before that would make traynor redundant.

You still needed Traynor for finding out about Grissom Academy and the Cerberus scientists and to pass on the side missions that Hackett wants checked out.



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^ Kai Leng's appearance was very different in-game from what I imagined after reading his description in Retribution. I agree that his main problem is the writing though. His character in ME3 seems to be based more on how he was in Deception, rather than the original version of him. It's a strange disconnect.


And now I'm going to think of Naruto every time I see him. :lol:

That's the problem. When you think about it, BW literally ignored all of Retribution in favor of Derpception.

Aria pissed about losing Omega yet no mention of her daughter.
The Council have no idea of the reaper's power or nature or Paul Grayson
No mention of reaper Grayson in Grissom Academy
TIM getting indoctrinated and not having failsafes
No mention of Gillian or the Idenna
Cerberus somehow getting huge resources and manpower despite being crippled
And of course, Kai Leng
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That's the problem. When you think about it, BW literally ignored all of Retribution in favor of Derpception.

Aria pissed about losing Omega yet no mention of her daughter.
The Council have no idea of the reaper's power or nature or Paul Grayson
No mention of reaper Grayson in Grissom Academy
TIM getting indoctrinated and not having failsafes
No mention of Gillian or the Idenna
Cerberus somehow getting huge resources and manpower despite being crippled
And of course, Kai Leng

I believe he Idenna was mentioned at Freedom's Progress in ME2, when you meet with Tali the first time.


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The writers chose a certain direction for Liara in LotSB when they made her the Shadowbroker. One would think that they would follow up on it in ME3 by having Liara use her position to influence the game but apparently not.

 

The BSN might be to blame for that. In the aftermath of the first script leak people were complaining about Liara being a writer's pet.

 

In the original script much of Traynor's intel gathering content was written for Liara. At some point between that first script leak and the game's release that content was shifted from Liara to Traynor. It does make me wonder how much of an impact the complaint threads might have had on script rewrites after that first leak.

 

If BSN bitchfests were the reason for the shift of content from Liara to Traynor it would be quite ironic, because the same people who complained about Liara getting too much content in that original script now complain that she doesn't do enough as Shadowbroker. It would be like a repeat of the whole Mako fiasco, where people griped endlessly about it, and then complained when it didn't return in ME2.


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I think he problem could have been fixed by having Traynor have a different position on the ship, possibly even the body in place of EDI. She could have operated as the tech/engineer on the squad. 



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I would made Barla Von the Shadow Broker if we couldn't make Miranda the broker.

 

The problem with the volus is that unless he operates on Irune or some other environment that's compatible with his physiology, he's going to instantly give away the fact that he's a volus.

 

This is *ssssfffffffff* the Shadow Broker. I will be expecting *ssssffffffffff* reports on the STG incursion on the Blue Suns *sssssfffffffff* by second *sssssfffffff* rotation.


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I suppose if Barla Von had that fancy ship he could configure the internal environment to suit him.



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Recruiting Morinth.... why? it made no sense.

 

Renegade Shepard recruiting Samara? It made no sense.

 

The Asari not attending the summit? It made no sense. Bad writing theory at work. They clearly wanted to make it a binary choice. With the Asari present there would have been a neutral third option present. That was not the way of ME3.

 

Kai Lame - didn't work.

Udina - didn't work

Anderson - was his purpose in ME1 to make Shepard look smart? I know in ME3 it was to be born in London... twice.

The Council - It was a good idea, but it seemed its only purpose was to troll Shepard.

Kasumi - So much potential for a deep character. So much potential wasted.

Dr. Chakwas - this character was wasted. She should have had more lines.... "working on some files." Can Shepard ever talk about the nightmares with anyone? No... Shepard is "all discipline all the time" and can show no signs of weakness, even just talk to the doctor. No wonder Shepard was going crazy.

 

Starboy wasn't even a good idea. Go away. Just... go away.

 

The Krogan birth rate... seriously? You want to cure the genophage? lol. Yeah, with the Asari in attendance she might have mentioned the fact that the only thing that was keeping Wrex in power was the fact that Urdnot controlled the fertile females, and that a full cure would undermine his power base. "Perhaps a compromise of an increase in the fertility rate would be more appropriate. Besides, it still takes a few decades for a krogan to reach maturity to fight and this war might not last that long." 

 

Wrex: "Hmmm. You're right. The other clan leaders might just return to the old ways. Okay, I'll accept your offer."



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Starboy wasn't even a good idea. Go away. Just... go away.

 

I still can't imagine how they even thought this idea looked good on paper.