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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I don't see why it's necessary for Liara to be on-site at the crucible. If anything, it makes no sense. It would be revealing her position as Shadow Broker to everyone involved, very likely, and she wouldn't want to do that. 

The Normandy has a QEC, is invisible to the Reapers, and is mobile. 

Liara is in charge the whole logistical side of the Crucible. You can't quite blame her for not being entirely up to date on other topics. 

Now, I wouldn't be opposes to being able to convince her to not fight and have you provide you Vasir as a biotic replacement. 

[Steelcan]

I don't see why it's necessary for Liara to be on-site at the crucible. If anything, it makes no sense. It would be revealing her position as Shadow Broker to everyone involved, very likely, and she wouldn't want to do that. 

The Normandy has a QEC, is invisible to the Reapers, and is mobile. 

Liara is in charge the whole logistical side of the Crucible. You can't quite blame her for not being entirely up to date on other topics. 

Now, I wouldn't be opposes to being able to convince her to not fight and have you provide you Vasir as a biotic replacement. 

 

So instead of being at the safest place in the galaxy where her identity MIGHT be leaked to high level personnel, who could just ask the Asari matriarchs about her anyways, she should instead serve on an active duty warship that frequently flies into combat zones.

 

genius

[ImaginaryMatter]

On the Ceberus scientists mission I had both Garrus and Ashley with me. Both had a level 10 particle rifle and a level 10 Black Widow. I was playing on hardcore.

 

At the part where the big door opens and you move forward to fight the Cerberus troopers, for some reason I was a litle slow in moving causing the door to shut in front of me while the squadmates moved forward. I had 8 medigels with me. I couldn't do nothing. Ashley ended up killing some while Garrus kept dying. It was only after I ran out of medigel and Ashley was killed that I reloaded the game. With that she can take more punishment than Garrus. I also notice he is not very good with the Black Widow, so I just have use an assault rifle.

 

She does get slightly higher shields and health bonuses, but I think it mostly comes down to Garrus having the more aggressive (and less defensive) AI, or it could be that since Ashley had the BW she was popping up to take a shot then going back down and thus staying behind cover more often. Garrus by being armed with the Assault Rifle would tend to stay up longer and have a higher chance to die, especially with the Particle Rifle.

 

Either way I'm not a particularly large fan of either of them. I would rather have the squadmates that could set up combos more reliably, so I don't use either of them much, especially Ashley because she's only alive on 2/6 of my Shepards vs 4/6 for Kaidan. The only time I use both of them is on my Soldier who tends to run in close due to using the Revenant and thus attracts most of the enemies fire and I have no idea what the hell either of them are doing.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

So instead of being at the safest place in the galaxy where her identity MIGHT be leaked to high level personnel, who could just ask the Asari matriarchs about her anyways, she should instead serve on an active duty warship that frequently flies into combat zones.

 

genius

The Matriarchs don't know she's the SB. They just know she's dangerous and a powerful information broker. 

The Normandy was not once targeted by an enemy ship in the whole of ME3, except when drawing away the fighters from Grissom. 

[Steelcan]

The Matriarchs don't know she's the SB. They just know she's dangerous and a powerful information broker. 

The Normandy was not once targeted by an enemy ship in the whole of ME3, except when drawing away the fighters from Grissom. 

Unless they are as dumb as rocks they can put two and two together

 

That's not reasoning, the ship is still a much more dangerous spot than the Crucible. 

[von uber]

How has this turned into a Liara thread again. People sure are obsessed with her.

[themikefest]

The Matriarchs don't know she's the SB. They just know she's dangerous and a powerful information broker. 

The Normandy was not once targeted by an enemy ship in the whole of ME3, except when drawing away the fighters from Grissom. 

If they don't know who she is what reason would hign Command(or I guess The Matriarchs) have in contacting her about Commando's gone missing at the Monestary when they could've told the Asari councillor who in turn could ask Shepard?

[SporkFu]

@ von uber: All threads shall become Liara threads. It's in her contract.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd

[CrutchCricket]

t would be revealing her position as Shadow Broker to everyone involved, very likely, and she wouldn't want to do that.

 

Big deal. Everyone knows she's the Shadow Broker as the plot requires.

[TTTX]

Big deal. Everyone knows she's the Shadow Broker as the plot requires.

Even Wrex knows.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Big deal. Everyone knows she's the Shadow Broker as the plot requires.

 

None of the shadow organizations are particularly secretive. At least Liara didn't start sticking her logo on everything.

[KaiserShep]

I don't see why it's necessary for Liara to be on-site at the crucible. If anything, it makes no sense. It would be revealing her position as Shadow Broker to everyone involved, very likely, and she wouldn't want to do that.

 

In the end, the logic of having her stay aboard the Normandy or going off to the Crucible site indefinitely doesn't really matter. She's there because she's popular, hence the existence of the LotSB DLC, and BioWare would have gotten lots of criticism for sending her off right after the first mission. Of course, the only ones who would be happy with this choice are the ones who despise dislike her. I wouldn't really be opposed to having the option of having her sent off, as well as having the option to have Garrus continue to help fight on Menae, but to have them sent off automatically? No thanks.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

In the end, the logic of having her stay aboard the Normandy or going off to the Crucible site indefinitely doesn't really matter. She's there because she's popular, hence the existence of the LotSB DLC, and BioWare would have gotten lots of criticism for sending her off right after the first mission. Of course, the only ones who would be happy with this choice are the ones who despise dislike her. I wouldn't really be opposed to having the option of having her sent off, as well as having the option to have Garrus continue to help fight on Menae, but to have them sent off automatically? No thanks.

 

Man, there's already a massive backlash for most of the ME2 squad being reduced to glorified cameos. Imagine the rage if the same thing happened to Liara and Garrus.

 

It's the same as the ones who want Liara to be killable. They don't want it for any thematic or story reasons, they want it for the pleasure of watching her die.

[von uber]

The problem is the me2 suicide mission. That mechanic should have been in me3, not 2.

[KaiserShep]

The problem is the me2 suicide mission. That mechanic should have been in me3, not 2.

 

I agree, though the problem with ME2 goes further than that; it's also the introduction of such a large cast of newcomers.

[themikefest]

I agree, though the problem with ME2 goes further than that; it's also the introduction of such a large cast of newcomers.

I agree. Why have 12 when only 8 are needed with everyone able to survive

[ImaginaryMatter]

I agree. Why have 12 when only 8 are needed with everyone able to survive

 

I think that might have been the original plan. I recall Garrus and Tali being brought back because of their popularity (or was it just being romanced?), so assuming they originally weren't going to be in the game the vanilla squad only has 8 members.

[von uber]

Or have the return of the me1 crew plus miranda, Jacob. Grunt to replace wrex amd mordin for the genophage.
That makes 7, so maybe throw in jack or samara. And make the suicide mission not a suicide mission, but maybe have a Virmire situation again.

[CrutchCricket]

None of the shadow organizations are particularly secretive. At least Liara didn't start sticking her logo on everything.

 

Not setting the bar very high there...

 

I agree. Why have 12 when only 8 are needed with everyone able to survive

 

Well maybe it's that thing people keep bitching about... choice?

 

The problem wasn't the 12 squadmates. It was making them (or all of them) expendable.

[AlexMBrennan]

I don't see why it's necessary for Liara to be on-site at the crucible. If anything, it makes no sense. It would be revealing her position as Shadow Broker to everyone involved, very likely, and she wouldn't want to do that.

No need - if asked, she could just say that she's has been hired by the SB to look at things in person because the artefact only works if an asari is looking at it. Since everyone and their dog are working for the SB anyway that sorta reveal would be almost completely irrelevant.

[eyezonlyii]

Or she could just...GASP...tell the truth

 

"What are you doing here?"

"I've studied the Protheans all my life." 

[rekn2]

So instead of being at the safest place in the galaxy where her identity MIGHT be leaked to high level personnel, who could just ask the Asari matriarchs about her anyways, she should instead serve on an active duty warship that frequently flies into combat zones.

 

genius

not only that but you have access to an actual intelligence officer. if they can excuse sheps "crimes" why not mirandas. she help either obtain or blow up the collector base. she was instrumental in the omega relay op as well.

[Raizo]

Jacob - former Alliance soldier turned into a Cerebus Mercenary, had potential.

Jack - loved the basic concept but she was too much of a stereotype. I have seen a thousand characters like her before so there was no mystery there, nothing worth discovering.

Thane- was really looking forward to getting Thane but for some strange reason the character never really clicked for me, not really sure why.

Diana Allers - a combat a reporter on the Normandy who looks like Jessica Chobot, sure why not. Obviously did not turn out the way anyone thought it would.

Kai Leng- we all bitched and complained about how ME2 was missing its version of Saren so the initial reveal that Kai Leng would be an arch rival of Shepard's in ME3 was met with great approval especially since he was a bad ass in his first appearance in the ME books. One character who did not make the proper translation from paper to game.

[DeathScepter]

As for Kai Leng, Having a cyborg Space Ninjas is not the problem. Having a poorly written cyborg Space Ninja is the problem. You can make any archetype seem stupid, if it is poorly written.

[Karlone123]

Liara's role as the shadow broker was made almost redundant seeing as how Traynor and her console did a better job such as tracking Kai Leng which Liara could have done with her sized down spy network. Even with Liara concentrated on the Crucible, nothing useful became of it, it was only until Citadel dlc when Liara used her role that actually did something helpful.