Who are you saying is on equal strength level? Evangeline and Wynne or Faith and Pride demons? Cause considering Faith beat the ever loving snot out of a pride demon in his own realm, I would say they are definitely not equal level.
Faith and pride. They vary though, even among ''equals'' pride demons and faith spirits vary in strength. but they are about the same.
That staff part just felt so randomly placed.
That staff part just felt so randomly placed.
Agreed.
Random stashed cache of equipment, random staff never mentioned prior magically gift via Warden?
It sounds just like a friendship trope to me.
Oh thank you for holding me back from my darker influences!
lolwefreindsbrah!
i actually liked adrian, they did her character very well. She was at least a better spokesman for mages freedom than anders was, she didnt whine as much...
They both wanted to see their people free, and were willing to kill someone to see that happen. I got the feeling that the toxicity of the Circle simply became too much for them. Anders laments the suicides of the mages in Kinloch Hold while Adrian is furious in proclaiming, “If you really fear us so much, then kill us! Don't pretend that killing everything that makes us human isn't the same thing!”
as for wynn, i think they took her character a little off track when she got all angry over them taking ryhs
Wynne has wanted the Circle to become better since Origins, where she tries to encourage Aneirin to return to the Circle, and asks the mage protagonist to become a leader to make it a better place. It's not like she supports the status quo without question. In Amaranthine, she expressed her objection was over her concern that the mages would all be killed if a vote for autonomy were to succeed. She also lamented the loss of her son when conversing with Alistair, so it's not surprising that she would be upset over what was happening to Rhys.
Faith and pride. They vary though, even among ''equals'' pride demons and faith spirits vary in strength. but they are about the same.
I think their power is somewhat tied to the emotion of the being they possess or are associated with. Wynne has far more faith then pharamond has pride, so therefore Faith destoryed Pride.
But that is just my supposition.
It could just be that Wynne is associated with a really really strong faith spirit. We know Pharamond was possessed by a fairly high up on the scale of pride demons considering he was able to maintain pharamonds human form-which is a sign of being possessed by a strong demon.
yes, but it seems very out of character for her one moment of weakness though... i mean i pictured her breaking down and crying, over attempting to go rambo on the templars
Agreed.
Random stashed cache of equipment, random staff never mentioned prior magically gift via Warden?
It sounds just like a friendship trope to me.
Oh thank you for holding me back from my darker influences!
lolwefreindsbrah!
wasn't there an evil blood magic staff in DAO? Or was that in DA2? I just assumed that was the staff Wynne had.
wasn't there an evil blood magic staff in DAO? Or was that in DA2? I just assumed that was the staff Wynne had.
I only ever acquired staves that were quest items, i didn't go out of my way to purchase or collect them via Reward.
So honestly? I don't know.
Sounds more like DA 2 though, apart from the blood ring and a handful of other items, blood magic related paraphernalia was a rarity in Fereldan.
wasn't there an evil blood magic staff in DAO? Or was that in DA2? I just assumed that was the staff Wynne had.
Blood magic bonuses didn't even exist in DA:O (outside of Con boost I guess), there were a couple pieces that were exclusive to blood mages but I don't think a staff was one of them.
They both wanted to see their people free, and were willing to kill someone to see that happen. I got the feeling that the toxicity of the Circle simply became too much for them. Anders laments the suicides of the mages in Kinloch Hold while Adrian is furious in proclaiming, “If you really fear us so much, then kill us! Don't pretend that killing everything that makes us human isn't the same thing!”
Wynne has wanted the Circle to become better since Origins, where she tries to encourage Aneirin to return to the Circle, and asks the mage protagonist to become a leader to make it a better place. It's not like she supports the status quo without question. In Amaranthine, she expressed her objection was over her concern that the mages would all be killed if a vote for autonomy were to succeed. She also lamented the loss of her son when conversing with Alistair, so it's not surprising that she would be upset over what was happening to Rhys.
Why can't I like this post...Anyway yeah I basically agree with this. Though I still don't quite get Adrian shifting from being in tears that the Divine was defending mages to basically sabotaging the divines plan. Don't get me wrong what she did was in character, but I would think if the divine touched her to that degree to bring her to tears then it is just somewhat surprising.
Actually, I might have to check the book, but I don't even think blood magic was ever used to describe the staff, only that it was red n' evil... and cold?
I think some people have theorized that it might be this staff.
Actually, I might have to check the book, but I don't even think blood magic was ever used to describe the staff, only that it was red n' evil... and cold?
I think some people have theorized that it might be this staff.
True it doesn't, I just associated it with blood magic due to the obvious emotional change it caused in Wynne, which while blood magic doesn't have to be evil, that is the only explanation I could arrive at for a staff basically taking over someone.
Adrian is furious in proclaiming, “If you really fear us so much, then kill us! Don't pretend that killing everything that makes us human isn't the same thing!”
Is that what she said? Damn, now I'm not sure whether I like her or not, she just got some good points.
Is that what she said? Damn, now I'm not sure whether I like her or not, she just got some good points.
She was just an inpatient whiny puppet.
She was just an inpatient whiny puppet.
Puppet of whom?
Puppet of whom?
My Guess would either be of Fiona or some one else in that loony bin of her Fraternity.
Obviously some directed the blood mage to try to assassinate the Divine, and then obviously some got her to murder the Tranquil.
She is merely the Knife, not the one who wielded it.
My Guess would either be of Fiona or some one else in that loony bin of her Fraternity.
Obviously some directed the blood mage to try to assassinate the Divine, and then obviously some got her to murder the Tranquil.
She is merely the Knife, not the one who wielded it.
Does it matter if she agrees?
Does it matter if she agrees?
Just saying.
Puppets be puppets.
My Guess would either be of Fiona or some one else in that loony bin of her Fraternity.
Obviously some directed the blood mage to try to assassinate the Divine, and then obviously some got her to murder the Tranquil.
She is merely the Knife, not the one who wielded it.
Nah Fiona wasn't connected to the attempt on the Divine. Not in her character.
The two current suspects on that count would be Adrian or Lambert for fairly obvious reasons.
Lambert- He wanted to remove a progressive Divine and have an excuse to tighten the leash on mages
Adrian- She wants a mage war. Even Rhys believes she was capable of doing it and isn't certain she wasn't responsible
That would be if we actually have met the responsible party, its always possible that it was someone else entirely.
Nah Fiona wasn't connected to the attempt on the Divine. Not in her character.
The two current suspects on that count would be Adrian or Lambert for fairly obvious reasons.
Lambert- He wanted to remove a progressive Divine and have an excuse to tighten the leash on mages
Adrian- She wants a mage war. Even Rhys believes she was capable of doing it and isn't certain she wasn't responsible
That would be if we actually have met the responsible party, its always possible that it was someone else entirely.
So you are saying you're speculation is right based on you're opinions and mine is wrong on the same merit?
So you are saying you're speculation is right based on you're opinions and mine is wrong on the same merit?
Don't you do the same? 
So you are saying you're speculation is right based on you're opinions and mine is wrong on the same merit?
No, I am saying we probably don't know who did it.
Fiona wasn't responsible for the attempt on the Divine because she was locked up in whatever circle she lives in and the fact that Adrian had never seen or met her until the end of Asunder.
Lambert and Adrian are just the 2 most likely suspects with the limited information we have.
Don't you do the same?
No, I never acknowledge my speculation as fact.
I do occasionally believe it to be correct though.
No, I never acknowledge my speculation as fact.
I do occasionally believe it to be correct though.
I was referring to the latter.
No, I never acknowledge my speculation as fact.
I do occasionally believe it to be correct though.
I never said squat about fact. I put forward the two hypothesis that have the most support from the community at large. They are the two that are most often put forward if you assume the person behind it is a known character.
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