That would be stupid though to hold all that raw lyrium within the White Spire though. That's just asking for trouble. Heck, even being near that stuff for an extended amount of time would screw up a person. Now, I could understand if the Templars had maybe a place hidden within Orlais that housed all their lyrium.
You don't need unprocessed ore to use it in rituals or enchanting.
There is the Lyrium to be used by Mages, the Tranquil and the Templar Order it self within the Tower. Add in the other fourteen towers and I'd assume it would be a pretty massive sum of glowing magic rock.
You think the Mages carted it out while they were fleeing?
Probably not, but definitely not enough to keep all those Templars supplied for long.
No. I think it is stored within the Chantry and distributed amongst the circles as the Chantry sees fit.
It's still going to be there, seems only the amount is debatable.
No. I think it is stored within the Chantry and distributed amongst the circles as the Chantry sees fit.
AND the dwarves still mine the stuff and as we saw in Origins if you did the quest... the black market for Lyrium is alive and well.
I still don't understand why he was put in charge of the Templar Order... did he just assume the leadership mantle on his own? Because... Seeker... not Templar.
((Although, I can imagine the Seekers getting their panties in a twist over one of their own leaving to make war on the mages in defiance of The Divine.))
AND the dwarves still mine the stuff and as we saw in Origins if you did the quest... the black market for Lyrium is alive and well.
True, there is definitely the black market, but I don't see that lasting long enough for them to hold out for a war.
Probably not, but definitely not enough to keep all those Templars supplied for long.
Not every smuggling ring is going to trade with them (there will be a few that would be, granted), but again... that can't help public opinion if they're harassing innocent "merchants" for lyrium.
Not aware of any ties to the nobility, like someone else said, I don't see Cassandra bringing Nevarra into this fight.
Also, if the Chantry's control of the lyrium is as strangled as Alistair and Samson make you believe, I wouldn't think that there would be any in the Towers themselves. Especially not when lyrium has a tendency to do funny things to the Veil.
The "Merchants" in the past loved doing business with them, The Carta especially, regular buyers and all.
I already cited one confirmed case, i recall a few others but forgot where exactly i saw them.
Samson was still getting Lyrium, given he was asking you for coin or the stuff it self. Again the Carta has ties to the Templars in Kirkwall, and it was supplying them with out Chantry oversight. I don't see that relationship failing as long as the Order pays its bills.
AND the dwarves still mine the stuff and as we saw in Origins if you did the quest... the black market for Lyrium is alive and well.
Not saying it isn't. But the post Warder made gave the impression that all was roses. Which it is clearly not.
Could be, Given those storerooms have only been mentioned once in the entire series, who knows?
Yeah, the evidence and plain common sense just seems to indicate the Chantry having it and giving the Circle what's needed.
The "Merchants" in the past loved doing business with them, The Carta especially, regular buyers and all.
I already cited one confirmed case, i recall a few others but forgot where exactly i saw them.
Samson was still getting Lyrium, given he was asking you for coin or the stuff it self. Again the Carta has ties to the Templars in Kirkwall, and it was supplying them with out Chantry oversight. I don't see that relationship failing as long as the Order pays its bills.
I just see those prices jumping up by a gazillion...
"Supply and demand, my dead Lord Seeke---ehrk!hur chzoken me!"
The "Merchants" in the past loved doing business with them, The Carta especially, regular buyers and all.
I already cited one confirmed case, i recall a few others but forgot where exactly i saw them.
Samson was still getting Lyrium, given he was asking you for coin or the stuff it self. Again the Carta has ties to the Templars in Kirkwall, and it was supplying them with out Chantry oversight. I don't see that relationship failing as long as the Order pays its bills.
An underground trade in lyrium supplying addicts is one thing. An underground trade in lyrium supplying a whole order of Templars is another thing entirely. So I wouldn't be so quick to assume that lyrium will be a non-issue. We don't really know either way, but the assumption here is that Lambert thought his plan through and I have yet to see any evidence to prove that.
I just see those prices jumping up by a gazillion...
"Supply and demand, my dead Lord Seeke---ehrk!hur chzoken me!"
I can't stop giggling at this mental image for some reason. 
They could make deals with lyrium smugglers, the Carta, etc. The Chantry just has the legal way to do it.
You don't need unprocessed ore to use it in rituals or enchanting.
But you do need processed lyrium, which is what the dwarves sell to the Chantry.
Lambert tried to use military victory as political leverage to unseat the current divine. very risky but it has merit. To bad for him the plan backfired. the mages are still fighting months after the conclave. that they use red lyrium is good indication that they are on their last legs when it comes to supply.
@wardenZ its correct that templars have some nobility in their ranks but the chantry still has great a control over politics , money and the lyrium trade. They will likely denounce the the templars as heretics which shuts down most support , the chantry controls the money and not the templars. and a few words from the divine to orzammar can result the dwarven king temporarily cracking down on the carta and lyrium smuggling .
The prospects of the templars are somply not good at this point.
Lambert tried to use military victory as political leverage to unseat the current divine. very risky but it has merit. To bad for him the plan backfired. the mages are still fighting months after the conclave. that they use red lyrium is good indication that they are on their last legs when it comes to supply.
This seemed the case to me, also. He thought he could get the Divine deposed and, as far as we've seen, his move wasn't effective. He didn't anticipate actually weathering an extended separation from the Chantry, so he didn't expect the templars to start withdrawing before the next, more cooperative Divine was instated. Now he's "disappeared" and the rebellion has become even less unified and less likely to succeed. Thus, why the templars are now desperate and turning to Red Lyrium.
Could be, Given those storerooms have only been mentioned once in the entire series, who knows?
If you speak to the two sisters outside the chantry in Denerim, they talk about a lyrium store in Denerim and how it effected the guy who ran it.I think his name was brother Caedmon (?) and how he stripped off his clothes and died drowning in a vat of wine on a feastday. So the pilfering/skimming idea is possible.
Is Lambert out of his mother loving mind? Did he forget that the Chantry controls the lyrium that keeps his Templars sane? WTF is the Lord Seeker doing taking over the Templar Order anyways? They're supposed to be separate brances.
It's not as though there is another viable lyrium source... that... oh. Red lyrium... Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Well without it's army the Chantry isn't going to control much especially since most other countries have other matters to attend to like the collaps of the circle system and civil war and such.
As for Red Lyrium since it's unknown lyrium and extremely rare (or else the Dwarves would sale it or use it but they haven't) I can't imagine there are going to be many red Templars.
Agreed. He's a bastard in my eyes, but a smart bastard.
He may indeed be a bastard, but he has his reasons to fear mages since he has been in Tevinter and watched and helped his best friend assent to leader of Tevinter only to find out that his friend did it for power and not to help people.
Despite the Meredith hate around here, even she has a reason to fear mages, her own sister turned Abomination and killed 80 people.
Lambert tried to use military victory as political leverage to unseat the current divine. very risky but it has merit. To bad for him the plan backfired. the mages are still fighting months after the conclave. that they use red lyrium is good indication that they are on their last legs when it comes to supply.
Well pointed out. Ok, in theory it seems stupid for Lambert to start a war without securing enough lyrium supplies (apart from the supposed ones in any given Circle Tower), but Asunder's epilogue stated that his plan was this: quick victory, force the Divine to resign and start a new system. If everything worked out, he wouldn't have to worry about establishing new sources of lyrium.
But things haven't worked out. Dragon Age: Inquisition's very existence means that the Mage-Templar war is dragging out, even if it's just some months instead of weeks. That some Templars turn to red lyrium for supplies could be desperation instead of "we are so fanatic that we want to become monsters to kill mages!". At least in some cases.
That some Templars turn to red lyrium for supplies could be desperation instead of "we are so fanatic that we want to become monsters to kill mages!". At least in some cases.
I think this is probably accurate. For a lot of them it's probably just desperation to escape withdraws paired with the fact that they likely don't know what red lyrium actually does. Only a handful of people saw what happened with Meredith and it's not like Thedas has a rapid communication system. I doubt most red templars understood at all what they were getting into, unfortunately.
Well pointed out. Ok, in theory it seems stupid for Lambert to start a war without securing enough lyrium supplies (apart from the supposed ones in any given Circle Tower), but Asunder's epilogue stated that his plan was this: quick victory, force the Divine to resign and start a new system. If everything worked out, he wouldn't have to worry about establishing new sources of lyrium.
But things haven't worked out. Dragon Age: Inquisition's very existence means that the Mage-Templar war is dragging out, even if it's just some months instead of weeks. That some Templars turn to red lyrium for supplies could be desperation instead of "we are so fanatic that we want to become monsters to kill mages!". At least in some cases.
Taking a risk is one thing. Blindly believing that you will win is another. He was gloating before he'd even taken any action. He had no plans to fall back on because he never considered any other outcome. If that's not stupid, I don't know what is.
Well without it's army the Chantry isn't going to control much especially since most other countries have other matters to attend to like the collaps of the circle system and civil war and such.
As for Red Lyrium since it's unknown lyrium and extremely rare (or else the Dwarves would sale it or use it but they haven't) I can't imagine there are going to be many red Templars.
He may indeed be a bastard, but he has his reasons to fear mages since he has been in Tevinter and watched and helped his best friend assent to leader of Tevinter only to find out that his friend did it for power and not to help people.
Despite the Meredith hate around here, even she has a reason to fear mages, her own sister turned Abomination and killed 80 people.
Red lyrium appearance is to convenient . their are only 2 groups that know where to get it: hawke and his companions and the grey wardens. And isn't it weird that a grey warden suddenly appeared to undermine the entire circle system while their is a pro mage divine leading the chantry?
Lambert's been played like a Violin up to that point. While I do not doubt that he had a contingency plan I do no see him or his thugs being an advantageous position or being able to change their circumstances.
I hope that Lambert finds himself greater allies. He was not in the wrong when he crashed the conclave. The man is the seeker, yes. But he is a templar at heart, trying to do what is best for Thedas.
Free mages is not something that any reasonable person would want.
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