Agreed.
Also the annulment was a completely justified reaction given the circle rebelled and decided it would go pick pansies in the field rather then be within the circle as the law dictates.
I am sure the Circle didn't think that it was justified.. which brings us back to the point ... something something justice is an arbitrary word or something
Hey, I never said I agreed with them getting killed. I was against Alistair killing Yevana.
I was reading the plot of The Silent Grove, why do I get the feeling that Alistair murdered her just for being related to Flemeth and more importantly Morrigan, I mean she obviously didn't mean him any harm, that's just pettiness taken up to 11.
I am sure the Circle didn't think that it was justified.. which brings us back to the point ... something something justice is an arbitrary word or something
The circle declared themselves free of the Chantry, Templars and their laws and regulations, you know the things that keep the various Nation's from using the circles as tools for war or the mages from seizing power. Ultimately them going rogue was their own choice, their belief in it doesn't carry over as justification for them upsetting the balance the circles even more and the risk they posed.
So ultimately i do regard it as a waste of a circle, but it was their choice to do it, their actions, their consequences, their ultimate deaths all spiraled from the decisions they made.
The circle declared themselves free of the Chantry, Templars and their laws and regulations, you know the things that keep the various Nation's from using the circles as tools for war or the mages from seizing power. Ultimately them going rogue was their own choice, their belief in it doesn't carry over as justification for them upsetting the balance the circles even more and the risk they posed.
So ultimately i do regard it as a waste of a circle, but it was their choice to do it, their actions, their consequences, their ultimate deaths all spiraled from the decisions they made.
The people in *White Spire* made that decision. So just because some people up top made a crappy decision, you gotta burn the rest of the Circles to the ground?
The people in *White Spire* made that decision. So just because some people up top made a crappy decision, you gotta burn the rest of the Circles to the ground?
This circle was annulled pre Asunder.
This circle was annulled pre Asunder.
No, it wasn't cause Fiona makes a point of saying that Dairsmuid fell after the White Spire rebelled.
“Not all first enchanters are present. I have received word that the Right of Annulment has been invoked upon the Circle of Dairsmuid. All within have been slain, as has First Enchanter Rivella.”
This circle was annulled pre Asunder.
I thought it happened in response to the uprising in White Spire?
The circle declared themselves free of the Chantry, Templars and their laws and regulations, you know the things that keep the various Nation's from using the circles as tools for war or the mages from seizing power. Ultimately them going rogue was their own choice, their belief in it doesn't carry over as justification for them upsetting the balance the circles even more and the risk they posed.
So ultimately i do regard it as a waste of a circle, but it was their choice to do it, their actions, their consequences, their ultimate deaths all spiraled from the decisions they made.
So, since Chantry is nigh omnipotent every law they make is a-ok, so since Tevinter Imperium thinks that owning slaves is all copasheeshy, murdering everyone involved in a slave rebellion is justified.
I thought it happened in response to the uprising in White Spire?
i'm confused 
No, it wasn't cause Fiona makes a point of saying that Dairsmuid fell after the White Spire rebelled.
“Not all first enchanters are present. I have received word that the Right of Annulment has been invoked upon the Circle of Dairsmuid. All within have been slain, as has First Enchanter Rivella.”
Ah, well i misremembered what can you do.
Doesn't change that they decided to walk out of the circle, and they got killed because of it.
So, since Chantry is nigh omnipotent every law they make is a-ok, so since Tevinter Imperium thinks that owning slaves is all copasheeshy, murdering everyone involved in a slave rebellion is justified.
Because their system prevents something worse? Yes, at least in so far as the Mage issue.
i'm confused
I think Warden had his timeline a little messed up. It happens. 
I think Warden had his timeline a little messed up. It happens.
Lord knows it's all hard to keep track of. I have the Dragon Age timeline bookmarked just in case.
Because their system prevents something worse? Yes, at least in so far as the Mage issue.
They have to come up with a better solution, by now I am sure everyone has realized that they can't keep the status quo in regards to the mages and the circles.
Granting semi-autonomy or something like that, for example watch them for corruption but don't watch them in their sleep .
Uneven thread, is that you?
They have to come up with a better solution, by now I am sure everyone has realized that they can't keep the status quo in regards to the mages and the circles.
How so? Because of Fiona and her rebellion?
Uldred had one as well, it was crushed, he died and life resumed.
This is simply the same exercise on a larger scale.
With a bigger body count required :/
How so? Because of Fiona and her rebellion?
Uldred had one as well, it was crushed, he died and life resumed.
This is simply the same exercise on a larger scale.
With a bigger body count required :/
Not quite. Uldred's attempt was contained in the Circle so nobody on the outside knows of it. With the Mage-Templar War, everyone knows about it.
How so? Because of Fiona and her rebellion?
Uldred had one as well, it was crushed, he died and life resumed.
This is simply the same exercise on a larger scale.
With a bigger body count required :/
Hardly. For one, we don't have a blood mage at the head of the rebellion, and on top of that, we have a mix of Aequitarians and Loyalists included, versus an all Libertarian group.
How so? Because of Fiona and her rebellion?
Uldred had one as well, it was crushed, he died and life resumed.
This is simply the same exercise on a larger scale.
With a bigger body count required :/
Uldred didn't rebel, he was possessed, if you forgot that tiny detail, So "Uldred" was more concerned with random acts of violence instead of actually rebelling.
Uldred didn't rebel, he was possessed, if you forgot that tiny detail, So "Uldred" was more concerned with random acts of violence instead of actually rebelling.
Doesn't change what he originally was attempting to do with his cronies before it blew up in his face.
Life will resume after Fiona and her's have died as well, Mages will continue to be born and they will continue to be taken to the circle for the good of all. Including them.
Doesn't change what he originally was attempting to do with his cronies before it blew up in his face.
Life will resume after Fiona and her's have died as well, Mages will continue to be born and they will continue to be taken to the circle for the good of all. Including them.
Uldred just wanted to support Logain hoping he would grant the circle autonomy from the Chantry, The creature you encounter at the harrowing chamber is not Uldred at all. Uldred was a blood mage yes, but he wasn't interested in creating abominations. He tried to convince the senior enchanters to support logain, but when wynne revealed what a douchebag logain was. He wanted to leave the meeting but Irving wouldn't let him, at which point he was forced to attack and summoned the pride demon and was possessed.
Chantry doesn't "allow" rogue Templars, that's why they all HAVE to be Waarriors.
Well, in DA2 their were archers and dual wielders Templars and that class is restricted to rouges.
Well, in DA2 their were archers and dual wielders Templars and that class is restricted to rouges.
http://forum.bioware...hin/?p=16366314
Well because in DAII every single Templar is so high on lyrium that they forget their class and fight with the wrong weapons and as a result are slaughtered very easily.
Uldred didn't rebel, he was possessed, if you forgot that tiny detail, So "Uldred" was more concerned with random acts of violence instead of actually rebelling.
Having just beat that section, all Uldred was doing was trying to get the Circle to align with Loghain after Ostagar, and the Circle as a whole nearly did, when Wynne came in and told Irving the truth, so they called Uldred in and confronted him, and he ordered an attack of blood mages when things weren't going his way, summoned a bunch of demons, and got possessed, and started making more abominations.
It was a rebellion, but it didn't start out as one, and wouldn't have happened if Wynne hadn't survived Ostagar and came in and told Irving (who nearly went along with Uldred) that Loghain retreated at Ostagar and abandoned the king and the wardens to the darkspawn.
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