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[Master Warder Z_]

You know i think Bioware gave a slight nod of the hat to the C.S.A in Mass effect, at least the seccesionists in their universe finally made it Washington heh in the second war.

 

True, they probably called a halt to their initial plans to rethink their strategy. I'm not sure if they would necessarily bring their final battle to an actual city though.

 

I see it occurring for numerous reasons, either the Templars or Mages in question already control the location, or they attempting to lay siege to it when they are cornered by an advancing force of their opponents.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Well, how else do you plan on transporting him to a different dimension? Eluvians are the best we have. And just because Morrigan, a powerful mage, knows how to come back doesn't mean Lambert would.

 

You don't know how to send someone to Belize, do you ? 

[Master Warder Z_]

You don't know how to send someone to Belize, do you ? 

 

Belize is actually quite nice in the springtime.

[EmissaryofLies]

Belize is actually quite nice in the springtime.

 

Indeed. I wonder if Duncan and King Cailan are enjoying it. Loghain was too kind to pay for their tickets. 

[Hellion Rex]

You know i think Bioware gave a slight nod of the hat to the C.S.A in Mass effect, at least the seccesionists in their universe finally made it Washington heh in the second war.

 

 

I see it occurring for numerous reasons, either the Templars or Mages in question already control the location, or they attempting to lay siege to it when they are cornered by an advancing force of their opponents.

Well, if we had to pick a city, I feel like it'd be in Orlais. Perhaps either Val Royeaux or Montsimmard, or even Halamshiral.

[wcholcombe]

It was also the place where Lee finally surrendered the Army of Virginia to Mead...it was where the dream of Southern Independence and Freedom ultimately died, it was also were the formal surrender of the Confederate army as a whole took place. Robert E Lee along with Joe Davis, Nephew of acting head of State Jefferson Davis. Signed the ceasefire agreements, it was also rapidly followed by a mass surrender of the general population of the C.S.A.

 

It was more or less where the war ended, Hence my curiosity for where it would be here.

 

I don't think it would be the reach personally because i doubt it ever became a battlefield personally, i doubt the Templars marched on them when Lambert disappeared.

Lee surrendered to Grant.  Sorry my minor in history is showing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lee surrendered to Grant.  Sorry my minor in history is showing.

 

Pfft. I am aware he was there for the final push, But i am also aware of who was directing the plans, leading the men and arranging the the battle plans after the fall of Vicksburg.

 

Meade was a semi competent field commander who actually showed fairly innovative tactics for his day, but these were for the most part attributed to guess who? His direct overall superior in the 84-85 campaign.

 

He surrendered to Meade, Grant was just there so he could run for President.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

 

Indeed. I wonder if Duncan and King Cailan are enjoying it. Loghain was too kind to pay for their tickets. 

 

Not only did Logain paid for Duncan and King Cailan's ticket, he provided them with a royal entourage by sending a massive chunk of entire Fereldan's army to Belize, What a great guy.

[wcholcombe]

Pfft. I am aware he was there for the final push, But i am also aware of who was directing the plans, leading the men and arranging the the battle plans after the fall of Vicksburg.

 

Meade was a semi competent field commander who actually showed fairly innovative tactics for his day, but these were for the most part attributed to guess who? His direct overall superior in the 84-85 campaign.

 

He surrendered to Meade, Grant was just there so he could run for President.

The letter that Lee sent asking for the meeting was addressed to Grant. Grant's reply said he would see him near the front and asked where Lee would like to meet.  Grant accepted the Surrender from Lee personally. 

 

I will grant you Grant(lol) was a horrible president, but he showed himself to be a fine commander before he even took command of the entire Union Army.

[Master Warder Z_]

The letter that Lee sent asking for the meeting was addressed to Grant. Grant's reply said he would see him near the front and asked where Lee would like to meet.  Grant accepted the Surrender from Lee personally. 

 

I will grant you Grant(lol) was a horrible president, but he showed himself to be a fine commander before he even took command of the army of the Potomac. 

 

It was, and he attended, he accepted.

 

I am pointing out though, it happened because of Meade, and He was...alright i guess. But Meade also achieved some of his notable victories via the same attributes i attribute to Grant.

 

He mostly succeeded to poor planning by the Confederates and luck.

 

._. I mean Pickett's charge comes to mind, Next time Lee, Let the shelling continue while you wait for the Maker Damned Calvary to get their butts to the battlefield.

 

Largest artillery bombardment in North American History, but it still...More or less did little apparently to the Union lines.

 

Anywho, I could chat about the American's and their civil war nearly as much as i could about the second world war given the family married into descendents of those who fought for both sides, Its actually sort of odd when you think of it. My Immediate family had members who fought for the AXIS and Allies, And through marriage i am related to folks who fought For Secessionists and Federalists.

 

Seems like my Family more less has always been divided on who to pick a up rifle for, Blood or through law.

[EmissaryofLies]

Hmmm...Appears to be a code green.

 

Gonna need Eirene to respond, over.

[AresKeith]

That would be the templar plan. If it's a middle ground, that won't happen.

Reforming the Circle does count as middle ground, how the circle goes is another story

[KainD]

Reforming the Circle does count as middle ground, how the circle goes is another story

 

Nah, that's not the middle ground. 

[LobselVith8]

I still haven't read Asunder, but regarding the whole lyrium problem, Alistair once said he doubts if the mineral is really important for a templar. He said it was more a means of control than a necessary element for being a templar, since lyrium is addictive.

 

(It's like any government that controls its soldiers with drugs, for example)

 

The developers rectonned this since Origins.

 

But we know that lyrium is what enables templars to use magic and fight abominations. Holy Smite is a sort of "spell", for instance, that cannot be cast without lyrium, I suppose. It's no wonder it is a templar specialty, not available to just any warrior.

 

If the templars break the Chantry's control over them, they'll have to form new agreements with the dwarves anyway in order to get the dust. Otherwise, they'll become like Samson.

 

I'm wondering if the Inquisition could set up a new arrangement with Orzammar (and possibly take over the Chantry's surface monopoly on lyrium) in the wake of recent events, since both the templars and the mages will need lyrium.

[Xilizhra]

Reforming the Circle does count as middle ground, how the circle goes is another story

The notion of some Circle-like body may be, but not necessarily the Chantry running it.

[LobselVith8]

The notion of some Circle-like body may be, but not necessarily the Chantry running it.

 

The Chantry or the templars having control over the mages nullify any notion of the Circle being the middle ground.

[Xilizhra]

The Chantry or the templars having control over the mages nullify any notion of the Circle being the middle ground.

Well, if mages are allowed into positions of power in the Chantry, that blow may be softened.

[AresKeith]

The Chantry or the templars having control over the mages nullify any notion of the Circle being the middle ground.

Not really

[LobselVith8]

Not really

 

A thousand years of the Chantry controlled Circles have demonstrated otherwise.

[AresKeith]

A thousand years of the Chantry controlled Circles have demonstrated otherwise.

 

Never heard of compromise between the groups have you? 

[LobselVith8]

Never heard of compromise between the groups have you? 

 

When one group believes they have dominance over the other in the name of the Maker, I don't think it's realistic.

[AresKeith]

When one group believes they have dominance over the other in the name of the Maker, I don't think it's realistic.

 

You mean the same group that just got knocked down a peg, and chose to stay neutral in the conflict

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean the same group that just got knocked down a peg, and chose to stay neutral in the conflict

 

That is a fair point, the Chantry despite having an allegiance with the Templar Order hasn't declared for one side or the other.

[LobselVith8]

You mean the same group that just got knocked down a peg, and chose to stay neutral in the conflict

 

You mean because of Justinia, specifically, in contrast to every one of her predecessors across a span of nearly a millennia? According to Asunder:

 

"Lambert slammed the door shut and allowed himself a smile. He imagined the Divine reading that. Without the templars, the Chantry was toothless - nothing more than a bunch of old women armed only with words. What would she do? Try to convince the people, after ages of teaching them mages were to be feared and contained, that now everything was different? In three days the templar host would march on Andoral’s Reach. With any luck, by the time he returned victorious the Chantry would have come to its senses and chosen a new Divine... one that would be eager to reach a new Accord with the seekers, placing the power much more firmly where it belonged."

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean because of Justinia, specifically, in contrast to every one of her predecessors across a span of nearly a millennia? According to Asunder:

 

"Lambert slammed the door shut and allowed himself a smile. He imagined the Divine reading that. Without the templars, the Chantry was toothless - nothing more than a bunch of old women armed only with words. What would she do? Try to convince the people, after ages of teaching them mages were to be feared and contained, that now everything was different? In three days the templar host would march on Andoral’s Reach. With any luck, by the time he returned victorious the Chantry would have come to its senses and chosen a new Divine... one that would be eager to reach a new Accord with the seekers, placing the power much more firmly where it belonged."

 

Teaching that Magic was dangerous, But that Belief is hardly unique to Andrastian practitioners. There wasn't any overt hatred in their teachings, Its about the same i'd assume as the Qunari issue as explained via Dumar. The Chantry espouses one belief, but that is warped through casual Adherents into whatever it becomes, Its not Chantry stance or belief, merely how the world around them reacts to it. Furthermore He was obviously implying that the Chantry doctrine was overriding Templar duty and Bailiwick.

 

Given that he said Power would go where it belonged, implying the power wasn't there, which i can see that argument. The Divine or Grand Cleric have to authorize a Rite of Annulment, The First Enchanter has to agree to make some one tranquil, there are many instances where Templar power isn't absolute and Asunder was proof enough of what occurs when it isn't.

 

So two things can be gleaned from this, The Chantry message can be warped into whatever folks want to scream it as, And The Templars are directed by Chantry doctrine and law, not their own.