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[EmissaryofLies]

On paper, yes.

 

But It seems that the Templars are ultimately directed by that which they deem to be reasonable and appropriate. 

[Master Warder Z_]

On paper, yes.

 

But It seems that the Templars are ultimately directed by that which they deem to be reasonable and appropriate. 

 

Meredith only had the authority to authorize the Annulment when Elithina died.

 

Gregoir had to send word for it to the Grand Cleric to authorize the annulling.

 

The Lore supports the notions that the Templars are indeed restricted beyond paper by the Chantry.

[TheKomandorShepard]

On paper, yes.

 

But It seems that the Templars are ultimately directed by that which they deem to be reasonable and appropriate. 

Well pretty much many soldiers and peoples think that their country is better than opponent and they are resonable i don't see why templars shouldn't if that helps them in work how many peoples will do think that they think is wrong?

 

Their job is to control mages and imprison them so world could be safe (not that they do good job) so if they think that they have divine right so be it they suppose to do anything to stop mages...

[EmissaryofLies]

Meredith only had the authority to authorize the Annulment when Elithina died.

 

Gregoir had to send word for it to the Grand Cleric to authorize the annulling.

 

The Lore supports the notions that the Templars are indeed restricted beyond paper by the Chantry.

 

As long as they go along with and support the Chantry, yes. 

 

Even then, your Merediths slip through the cracks. But that's more the fault of the old school Chantry and modern Andrastians themselves. 

[Master Warder Z_]

As long as they go along with and support the Chantry, yes. 

 

Even then, your Merediths slip through the cracks. But that's more the fault of the old school Chantry and modern Andrastians themselves. 

 

The Cracks?

 

Barring immediate appearing of the Divine, According to Gaider she then had the authority to authorize it, as he said she may catch heck for it later, but it was then legal.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Their job is to control mages and imprison them so world could be safe (not that they do good job) so if they think that they have divine right so be it they suppose to do anything to stop mages...

No, they are supposed to protect mages just as much as they are to protect others from magic. 

[EmissaryofLies]

No, they are supposed to protect mages just as much as they are to protect others from magic. 

 

Everytime I see this, I do a double take. It's very strange seeing the words 'protect mages' in unison. Given that they seem to fail everytime that it matters. But that comes down to what one views as 'protection'. And that is for another time and place. 

 

The Cracks?

 

Barring immediate appearing of the Divine, According to Gaider she then had the authority to authorize it, as he said she may catch heck for it later, but it was then legal.

 

As in, she's a prime example of a templar who will do what she views as necessary regardless of how the Chantry may feel about such actions. Legality or no. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, they are supposed to protect mages just as much as they are to protect others from magic. 

Yes and in tevinter there is no blood magic

 

First main goal behind circles wast protect world from mages and protecting mages was only to look that pretty. non-mages won mages lost they dictated terms...

RoA is prove that most important is protect non-mages...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes and in tevinter there is no blood magic

 

First main goal behind circles wast protect world from mages and protecting mages was only to look that pretty. non-mages won mages lost they dictated terms...

RoA is prove that most important is protect non-mages...

Hey, I never said the Templars were good at the "protect mages" part. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hey, I never said the Templars were good at the "protect mages" part. 

Well because they shouldn't their job is protect world when it comes about danger that mages present not that they do good job in that front either but well system is screwd and unpractical so not their fault in that matter...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well because they shouldn't their job is protect world when it comes about danger that mages present not that they do good job in that front either but well system is screwd and unpractical so not their fault in that matter...

Their job is to protect the world from the dangers of magic.

Mages are part of the world and always will be.

Therefore, Templars must protect mages. 

 

Simple logic. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Their job is to protect the world from the dangers of magic.

Mages are part of the world and always will be.

Therefore, Templars must protect mages. 

 

Simple logic. 

mages are danger to the world as any other danger can be part of the world templars are guys who have to deal with this kind of danger as grey wardens are dealing with another that also is part of the world... 

 

i would put that way mages are problem templars solution (at least how it should be in practice)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

mages are danger to the world as any other danger can be part of the world templars are guys who have to deal with this kind of danger as grey wardens are dealing with another that also is part of the world... 

 

i would put that way mages are problem templars solution (at least how it should be in practice)

Hands are danger to the world since they can kill people. Let us kill or imprison everyone with hands.

[EmissaryofLies]

Hands are danger to the world since they can kill people. Let us kill or imprison everyone with hands.

 

I can support this notion.

 

We will adopt a system designed to keep these disgusting 'hands' interred within.

 

We shall call it the 'Triangle'. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hands are danger to the world since they can kill people. Let us kill or imprison everyone with hands.

Hands are doing individual will so hands is person now most peoples are dangerous on individual level so pretty much unless they have weapon of mass destruction that is extremely controlled they aren't big danger...

 

mages are at best danger from local level to world scale level and can be caused by single mage pretty much few mages caused blight well even 7 just because they were power hungry not counting other disasters caused by mages and we have plenty of them... 

 

So no comparing normal person to that just wake up and start kill everybody with super powers or just do small mistake and doom entire region because of it doesn't work...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hands are doing individual will so hands is person now most peoples are dangerous on individual level so pretty much unless they have weapon of mass destruction that is extremely controlled they aren't big danger...

 

mages are at best danger from local level to world scale level and can be caused by single mage pretty much few mages caused blight well even 7 just because they were power hungry not counting other disasters caused by mages and we have plenty of them... 

 

So no comparing normal person to that just wake up and start kill everybody with super powers or just do small mistake and doom entire region because of it doesn't work...

Hands are controlled by the brain, which can go insane. Therefore, we should put everyone with that possibility of insanity, even those who show no inclination towards it, into an enclosed territory so that if they do snap, they can be contained. 

 

It is the exact same principle. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hands are controlled by the brain, which can go insane. Therefore, we should put everyone with that possibility of insanity, even those who show no inclination towards it, into an enclosed territory so that if they do snap, they can be contained. 

 

It is the exact same principle. 

i guess everything in your neighborhood wake up and just start killing peoples no? well that is one diffrence between mages and non-mages second of many difference is that individual mage can cause mess much more bigger than single non-mage individual...

 

So in the base we have dog and godzilla and i doubt that you would treat both in same way same with mages...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

i guess everything in your neighborhood wake up and just start killing peoples no? well that is one diffrence between mages and non-mages second of many difference is that individual mage can cause mess much more bigger than single non-mage individual...

 

So in the base we have dog and godzilla and i doubt that you would treat both in same way same with mages...

At any moment in America there are between 35 and 50 serial killers running around free, so more than you think. And an insane leader can bring down nations or even empires resulting in the deaths of millions. The difference is not as big as you think. Simply one uses hands and voice while the other one uses magic.

 

Besides which, as I said it is the same principle so if you support one you should support the other.

[TheKomandorShepard]

At any moment in America there are between 35 and 50 serial killers running around free, so more than you think. And an insane leader can bring down nations or even empires resulting in the deaths of millions. The difference is not as big as you think. Simply one uses hands and voice while the other one uses magic.

 

Besides which, as I said it is the same principle so if you support one you should support the other.

 

If leader is insane or at least self-destructive peoples usually bring him down... and still i don't see serial killers creating curse they are dangerous on individual level nothing more unless they have access to guns and law enforces have access as well so it is not creature of mass destruction vs city guards...

 

it is like saying that if support dog being pets i support godzilla as pet...

 

if doomsday existed in our world he would be treated than normal serial killer...

[Master Warder Z_]

As in, she's a prime example of a templar who will do what she views as necessary regardless of how the Chantry may feel about such actions. Legality or no. 

 

Except that it was her call to make because of Ander's decision.

 

And as i have said before, that circle wasn't as clean as the driven snow as much as the Mage Supports try to make it out to be.

 

Was the Annulment debatable? Most certainly, Was it illegal? With the laws of both Chantry and Realm? No.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If leader is insane or at least self-destructive peoples usually bring him down... and still i don't see serial killers creating curse they are dangerous on individual level nothing more unless they have access to guns and law enforces have access as well so it is not creature of mass destruction vs city guards...

 

it is like saying that if support dog being pets i support godzilla as pet...

 

if doomsday existed in our world he would be treated than normal serial killer...

If Mage becomes abomination, they usually bring them down too. Doesn't stop either from killing tons of innocent people. Insane leaders create insane viewpoints that their nation follows. That's the same thing as a curse. And you'd be disturbed by some of the cult following some serial killers get. Just look at all the "mimics" of those people.

 

Forget it, you're too blinded by your bias for any constructive conversation to occur. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Except that it was her call to make because of Ander's decision.

 

And as i have said before, that circle wasn't as clean as the driven snow as much as the Mage Supports try to make it out to be.

 

Was the Annulment debatable? Most certainly, Was it illegal? With the laws of both Chantry and Realm? No.

 

To annihilate a population that had absolutely nothing to do with him besides sharing his abilities? Once again, she's a problem that slips through the cracks. I doubt the Chantry would have supported such an idiotic act on that basis, though I could be wrong. They would definitely have something to say about that red lyrium too. 

 

And as we've seen, if the Templars do not get their way they will march right out the door and continue to do as they please. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

If Mage becomes abomination, they usually bring them down too. Doesn't stop either from killing tons of innocent people. Insane leaders create insane viewpoints that their nation follows. That's the same thing as a curse. And you'd be disturbed by some of the cult following some serial killers get. Just look at all the "mimics" of those people.

 

Forget it, you're too blinded by your bias for any constructive conversation to occur. 

 

Thats because we have templar and current protection but still as i said they do colosal damage child demon took entire castle and village without effort and was destroyed only because theodasian chuck norris.Not mention blights ,armies of undeads ,curses and many others disasters sponsored by mages.

 

And what is isnane viewpoint that you don't like? if leader is rly insane he would be taken down because damage that caused to his own peoples in his insanity...

 

Even Hitler was hero in germany and was doing something good when abomnation pretty much go for destruction same for other disasters sponsored by mages.

 

Biased as i said i don't hate mage i just deal with them correctly as they are walking bombs that give humanity almost nothing beyond troubles they will recive such treatment. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Biased as i said i don't hate mage i just deal with them correctly as they are walking bombs that give humanity almost nothing beyond troubles they will recive such treatment. 

Calling them "walking bombs that give humanity almost nothing but troubles" negates any attempts on your part to prove you are unbiased since that is a very biased viewpoint.

 

I'm done. Good day, sir. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Calling them "walking bombs that give humanity almost nothing but troubles" negates any attempts on your part to prove you are unbiased since that is a very biased viewpoint.

 

I'm done. Good day, sir. 

 

So perhaps you will provide us with examples where mages did something good and i will compare that what they screwd?