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[TheKomandorShepard]

From the two circles we have seen, probably isn't the best examples as the first got nuts because of the indirect result of the blight and because a mage want to be the leader and wanting more freedom for his fellow mages by any means necessary although it wouldn't have come the end result if someone hadn't told what happened at Ostargard.

 

As for Kirkwall well it's a very complicated situation to say the least.

 

- There is a very thin veil,

 

- Meredith is not playing ball with anyone (it's basically her way or no way) + she didn't punish when her templars did wrong things like ser Alrik + she did made death squads (of her most extreme people and they are hand picked) to kill anyone who give even the smallest bit of help to mages + she was under the influence of the Red lyrium which made her more and more paranoid as time went on + she did call the annulment because of the actions of 1 apostate mage that wasn't part of the circles anymore.

 

- Orsino hide a mad mage serial killer and somehow got his research (how he got it, is unknown since he could have gotten it from templars or from the mad mage himself). 

 

- The revered Mother, she didn't step in and force the two sides to sit and make a deal so the tension didn't continue to raise.

 

- Anders and his mage underground that continued to cause a lot of trouble for a lot of years and later blowing up the chantry in Kirkwall.

 

 

at least until demons start running amok and no one can close the veil tears because mages are all dead and it's also the mages that keep the qunari in check.

 

Pretty much doesn't matter unexpected circumstances? Well to bad because whole life and world is unexpected circumstances.I see only excuses that you try give mages oh that circle doesn't count because mage had depression oh that not because veil is thin...

 

Mages are torning veil by using mages so what do you expect that veil never will be thin in circle? Or perhaps uldred was unique individual?

 

No that shows how unstable mages are 1 unforeseen factor and boom we have tower full of abomnations.

 

Meredith could be paranoid but she was right paranoia is something that good templars should have as mages shouldn't be trusted or you end like thrask... Meredith was only responding to insanity of mages in krikwall and to be honest her methods would be successful if they were a little harsher and templars was taught how to deal with mages and that they shouldn't trust them pretty much such peoples like thrask were screwing things...

 

Wow corrupted mage those things are rare (sarcasm)

 

 

About veil part well we can spare few mages in extremely well-controled condistions to study but thats all and well mages can beat non-mages if non-mages will lose mages even more... not mention that walking abomnations destroying your own peoples hardly is good weapon...

 

 

 

Nah. Mages can handle whatever it is they themselves make up. If there are no mundanes they wont need any slaves. And who cares about millions of a lesser race? You don't feel bad about killing a colony of ants do you?

 

Yes they are handling themselves well constant abomnations ,disasters and corruption pretty they would lead there where first tevinter empire to doom

 

i can see that world we have 2 groups few mages and abomnations remove technology from here and you have image of that

[TTTX]

Pretty much doesn't matter unexpected circumstances? Well to bad because whole life and world is unexpected circumstances.I see only excuses that you try give mages oh that circle doesn't count because mage had depression oh that not because veil is thin...

 

Mages are torning veil by using mages so what do you expect that veil never will be thin in circle? Or perhaps uldred was unique individual?

 

No that shows how unstable mages are 1 unforeseen factor and boom we have tower full of abomnations.

 

Meredith could be paranoid but she was right paranoia is something that good templars should have as mages shouldn't be trusted or you end like thrask... Meredith was only responding to insanity of mages in krikwall and to be honest her methods would be successful if they were a little harsher and templars was taught how to deal with mages and that they shouldn't trust them pretty much such peoples like thrask were screwing things...

 

Wow corrupted mage those things are rare (sarcasm)

 

 

About veil part well we can spare few mages in extremely well-controled condistions to study but thats all and well mages can beat non-mages if non-mages will lose mages even more... not mention that walking abomnations destroying your own peoples hardly is good weapon...

Well the first one was cause by an extremely rare event after all blights only every few hundred years , I wouldn't call that a very good example.

 

As for Kirkwall well I'm just stating the facts of why the circle went nuts, blaming it only on mages is very narrow view point every disaster has a series of events leading up to it.

 

Wrong, death also thins the veil and will eventually shatters the veil, magic is just faster at doing it and that the reason why most circles lays away from cities and the like to prevent disasters to reach towns and cites of course accidents happens because of various reasons people like Isolde and Meredith parents.

 

When it comes down to it, mages are people too, they bleed, feel and stuff like that so stuff sometimes when people get thrown into unknown situations, you would be surprised what people will do and can do in unknown situations.

 

Meredith forgot her role as templar include being both a sword and shield for mages, a sword for doing the necessary thing and kill a mage and being a shield to protect mages from the more normal people. Later she even takes control of the city and refuses to let the noble rule the city she even tries to get the city guard become an extended arm of the templars.

 

As rare as corrupted nobles, templars and the like, but the circle system (like it or not) have worked for about 800 or 900 years in Thedas saying it didn't work is again a narrow viewed and would have still worked if improvements have been made to it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well the first one was cause by an extremely rare event after all blights only every few hundred years , I wouldn't call that a very good example.

 

As for Kirkwall well I'm just stating the facts of why the circle went nuts, blaming it only on mages is very narrow view point every disaster has a series of events leading up to it.

 

Wrong, death also thins the veil and will eventually shatters the veil, magic is just faster at doing it and that the reason why most circles lays away from cities and the like to prevent disasters to reach towns and cites of course accidents happens because of various reasons people like Isolde and Meredith parents.

 

When it comes down to it, mages are people too, they bleed, feel and stuff like that so stuff sometimes when people get thrown into unknown situations, you would be surprised what people will do and can do in unknown situations.

 

Meredith forgot her role as templar include being both a sword and shield for mages, a sword for doing the necessary thing and kill a mage and being a shield to protect mages from the more normal people. Later she even takes control of the city and refuses to let the noble rule the city she even tries to get the city guard become an extended arm of the templars.

 

As rare as corrupted nobles, templars and the like, but the circle system (like it or not) have worked for about 800 or 900 years in Thedas saying it didn't work is again a narrow viewed and would have still worked if improvements have been made to it.

 

Not rly it was caused by 1 mage and few peoples he had on his side but all that took was 1 person who summoned pride demon then pride demon possessed that person and destroyed almost everyone in tower or turned them into abomnations.So no all it takes is 1 mage who will turn into stronger abomnation in random moment so no it isn't rare case...

 

every disaster was caused by mages at least in series be it from zathrian curse to blights non-mages at worst will cause war...

 

So what is point? Using magic sill weakens the veil even faster so veil in circle is weak by nature so thats not something unusual where we have mages there we have weaker veil.And not rly pretty much kirkwall circle didn't do crap about that abomnations and blood mages were still roaming in city as da 2 shows...

 

So what do you want tell me that peoples weren't sacrificed for societes?I don't see why don't do that with mages who are obvious trouble for society...

 

And as i said many times templars aren't to protect mages they are to proect world from them period...

 

Pretty much you said as rare as corrupted nobles so a lot of them is corrupted and mages have more personal power so i would say even more corrupted than most nobles... pathetic claim same can be said that if tevinter worked for millennia we should keep it even if that worked crappy same with circles it keept for that 800 years doing crappy work as we can judge by numbers of disasters ,abomnations , blood mages and circle incidents that we saw circles were doing terrible work...

[TTTX]

Not rly it was caused by 1 mage and few peoples he had on his side but all that took was 1 person who summoned pride demon then pride demon possessed that person and destroyed almost everyone in tower or turned them into abomnations.So no all it takes is 1 mage who will turn into stronger abomnation in random moment so no it isn't rare case...

 

every disaster was caused by mages at least in series be it from zathrian curse to blights non-mages at worst will cause war...

 

So what is point? Using magic sill weakens the veil even faster so veil in circle is weak by nature so thats not something unusual where we have mages there we have weaker veil.And not rly pretty much kirkwall circle didn't do crap about that abomnations and blood mages were still roaming in city as da 2 shows...

 

So what do you want tell me that peoples weren't sacrificed for societes?I don't see why don't do that with mages who are obvious trouble for society...

 

And as i said many times templars aren't to protect mages they are to proect world from them period...

 

Pretty much you said as rare as corrupted nobles so a lot of them is corrupted and mages have more personal power so i would say even more corrupted than most nobles... pathetic claim same can be said that if tevinter worked for millennia we should keep it even if that worked crappy same with circles it keept for that 800 years doing crappy work as we can judge by numbers of disasters ,abomnations , blood mages and circle incidents that we saw circles were doing terrible work...

It's was more then one demon and it happened apparently without the Templars there (for some odd reason) or they got over run since templars are trained to only handle one or two abominations.

 

War is also quite terrible, just saying and even if you eliminate mages the Demons will find a way to cause the disasters you just mentioned the problem isn't mages it's human nature.

 

Do you have any evidence that all those mages and all the other things came directly from Kirkwall circle?  

And again I will point Merdith did push the mages around (even most persons will eventually start to push back this a subject I'm very familiar with.) and not doing her job.

 

Some mages causes trouble yes, but killing people and children who can magic isn't going solve the problem.....

 

That's where you are wrong Templars is also there to protect mages or else any revolt could storm the circle kill mages for the heck of it, templars are suppose to be neutral.

 

We have only seen two mage circle become nuts (and again we don't know how often a circle go nuts) and we don't have many times the annulment have been used during those 800 years or what reasons they got annulled (I don't buy that every circle got annulled because it got nuts).

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's was more then one demon and it happened apparently without the Templars there (for some odd reason) or they got over run since templars are trained to only handle one or two abominations.

 

War is also quite terrible, just saying and even if you eliminate mages the Demons will find a way to cause the disasters you just mentioned the problem isn't mages it's human nature.

 

Do you have any evidence that all those mages and all the other things came directly from Kirkwall circle?  

And again I will point Merdith did push the mages around (even most persons will eventually start to push back this a subject I'm very familiar with.) and not doing her job.

 

Some mages causes trouble yes, but killing people and children who can magic isn't going solve the problem.....

 

That's where you are wrong Templars is also there to protect mages or else any revolt could storm the circle kill mages for the heck of it, templars are suppose to be neutral.

 

We have only seen two mage circle become nuts (and again we don't know how often a circle go nuts) and we don't have many times the annulment have been used during those 800 years or what reasons they got annulled (I don't buy that every circle got annulled because it got nuts).

 

What at first that was only 1 demon (pride demon) then he started rampage and brought more demons and created abomnations rest of the story you know.

 

No they won't not counting few demons that will somehow manage go trough torn veil (what won't be problem as in inq we will have to fix it so we will get solution) and no problem is both human nature mixed with danger that magess present...

 

And from where they could be with circle robes from circus?

 

How that won't solve problem is dead mage will cause disaster in his power hunger? answer is no? is dead mage will become abomnation? answer is no , will dead mage curse something? answer is no dead mage won't cause any more problem that s/he could cause in his life time...

 

Meredith wasn't pushing anything corrupted mages were present already in first mage that meredith pushed something is excuse for pro-mages only mage that was pushed was Evelina and alain thats all other were insane , power hungry or just possessed.

 

Not rly protecting mages part is only to look pretty RoA speaks otherwise they are to protect non-mages not mages and no templars are guys who should do everything to stop mage from doing damage everything...

 

You mean that 17 times when Roa was used? and that was before ferelden circle and then we have ferelden RoA , kirkwall Roa and rivain RoA so we have 20...in 800 yeras a lot of them

[Lotion Soronarr]

The probability is not too big. If it were, most would not even make it to the circle. The benefits are innumerable, the Andrastians are simply too vindictive and cowardly to give them a shot. 

 

Exactly, circle mage 'bombs' exploding. Whereas we have Morrigan, Merrill, Bethany, Malcolm and the Grey Warden Mages to name a few, who have not 'exploded'. 

 

The bottomline is that the Chantry and its Andrastians have driven mages against the wall for almost a thousand years. The mages have taken all that they can take. The reign of dominance is at an end. It is up to both parties to decide how things proceed from here. 

 

The benefits are NOT innumerable and your projections/theories on what would/should be are irrelevant.

 

Andrastians are not petty/vindictive, mages are a real threat.

IF you want to believe that mages are no danger, go right ahead. But both the lore and developers are clearly against you.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Tevinter stands for a very long time now, capable of fighting off countless exalted marches and Qunari. Mages are in minority in Tevinter as well and they still dominate. It will just take a couple of nukes to flip the coin and make mundanes the minority and mages in the majority, and from there mages will become the only ones left. 

 

Tevinter runs on slavery. If everyone left is mages (Yay for genocide on epic scales), then mages will have to enslave other mages (which can also happen in tevinter if you are a weak mage.)
 

And a world filled with nothing but mages?

Welcome to Abominationville.

End of the World as we know it indeed.

 

If there are no mundanes they wont need any slaves. And who cares about millions of a lesser race?

 

They won't need or want slave.s..because you say so? Really? Is that the argument?

 

 

You don't feel bad about killing a colony of ants do you?

 

Actually, I do. Life is not something one should take away without any pause whatsoever.

[TTTX]

What at first that was only 1 demon (pride demon) then he started rampage and brought more demons and created abomnations rest of the story you know.

 

No they won't not counting few demons that will somehow manage go trough torn veil (what won't be problem as in inq we will have to fix it so we will get solution) and no problem is both human nature mixed with danger that magess present...

 

And from where they could be with circle robes from circus?

 

How that won't solve problem is dead mage will cause disaster in his power hunger? answer is no? is dead mage will become abomnation? answer is no , will dead mage curse something? answer is no dead mage won't cause any more problem that s/he could cause in his life time...

 

Meredith wasn't pushing anything corrupted mages were present already in first mage that meredith pushed something is excuse for pro-mages only mage that was pushed was Evelina and alain thats all other were insane , power hungry or just possessed.

 

Not rly protecting mages part is only to look pretty RoA speaks otherwise they are to protect non-mages not mages and no templars are guys who should do everything to stop mage from doing damage everything...

 

You mean that 17 times when Roa was used? and that was before ferelden circle and then we have ferelden RoA , kirkwall Roa and rivain RoA so we have 20...in 800 yeras a lot of them

No, according to eye witnesses in game Uldred and his acomplishes summoned a couple of demons which overwhelmed him turning him into a pridedemon.

 

We don't know how Inq is going end yet... you need magic to seal a veil tear that's a fact and it's human nature and their power situation.

 

From the black markets or markets in general and it's not a crime to wear a rope. you know.

 

Demons can still take control of the body even though they are dead just saying.

 

the circle consist of over hundred mages which include children and those three mages she sent us to hunt well two them apparently didn't become what they are until they "Joined" the Kirkwall circle and then by act 3 which indicates things aren't as good in the circle as should be again DA2 are rushed we don't every piece of info what's going on in the Kirkwall circle, but since Meredith is on the red lyrium well I can't imagine it to be good, just look like what Varric's brother did. 

As for Orsino well he had very little character development but he says he only hid the mad mage because of Meredith.

 

That's very few considering a span of 800 years.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, according to eye witnesses in game Uldred and his acomplishes summoned a couple of demons which overwhelmed him turning him into a pridedemon.

 

We don't know how Inq is going end yet... you need magic to seal a veil tear that's a fact and it's human nature and their power situation.

 

From the black markets or markets in general and it's not a crime to wear a rope. you know.

 

Demons can still take control of the body even though they are dead just saying.

 

the circle consist of over hundred mages which include children and those three mages she sent us to hunt well two them apparently didn't become what they are until they "Joined" the Kirkwall circle and then by act 3 which indicates things aren't as good in the circle as should be again DA2 are rushed we don't every piece of info what's going on in the Kirkwall circle, but since Meredith is on the red lyrium well I can't imagine it to be good, just look like what Varric's brother did. 

As for Orsino well he had very little character development but he says he only hid the mad mage because of Meredith.

 

That's very few considering a span of 800 years.

 

whatever he still summoned them point was that even 1 mage is enough to turn everyone into abomnation...

 

It is obvious that we will find way to fix veil other wise it would be game over and end of the series...

 

Yeah lets buy circle robes because well why don't commite suicide it is so fan waste money for robe to everyone see that im mage hah...

 

And how demon will get that body if mage is dead so mage can't summon demon?

 

No as i said only Evelina had that excuse another mage was insane and possessed when third was ****** that is danger for everything around... besides mages are living in luxuries so they had very high life conditions...

 

thats a lot for 800 years and that not count corrupted mages , mages that are escaping from circles , not captured mages and many many abomnations...

[EmissaryofLies]

The benefits are NOT innumerable and your projections/theories on what would/should be are irrelevant.

 

Andrastians are not petty/vindictive, mages are a real threat.

IF you want to believe that mages are no danger, go right ahead. But both the lore and developers are clearly against you.

 

By virtue of the creation school, the eluvian, imperial highway and the formation of the Grey Wardens. I daresay that they very well might be. My projections and theories actually have a basis in evidence. 

 

Andrastians are very petty and extremely vindictive. That’s why mage children are sometimes singled out as catalysts of mundane problems and why known mages can’t so much as walk through a town without summoning Andrastians with pitchforks. It’s why they antagonize the Qunari in DA II. It is exactly why they can purge Alienages and not feel a thing. Because they are petty and vindictive. Not all, of course. The ones that aren’t are exceptions that prove the rule. 

 

Never said that mages were not a danger. Not sure where you’ve gotten that from. I AM saying that the risk is worth it. I am saying that Andrastians are little more than bullies who’d rather oppress minorities and cower in fear than reap the benefits of a grateful ally. 

 

To make it plain, the Andrastians have sown discontent and hatred among their minorities and it is only a matter of time before they get their comeuppance. 

I can only hope that Bioware allows the PC to help usher it in. 

[TTTX]

whatever he still summoned them point was that even 1 mage is enough to turn everyone into abomnation...

 

It is obvious that we will find way to fix veil other wise it would be game over and end of the series...

 

Yeah lets buy circle robes because well why don't commite suicide it is so fan waste money for robe to everyone see that im mage hah...

 

And how demon will get that body if mage is dead so mage can't summon demon?

 

No as i said only Evelina had that excuse another mage was insane and possessed when third was ****** that is danger for everything around... besides mages are living in luxuries so they had very high life conditions...

 

thats a lot for 800 years and that not count corrupted mages , mages that are escaping from circles , not captured mages and many many abomnations...

him and his whatever fellows who supported and it was a surprise attack.

 

Of course there is a way to fix it, but it will still require magic.

 

Sarcasm, seriously there are no law for people wearing robes and you have to remember it's a game and BW doesn't always think through when they come to the last detail if you want proof of that just look at Cerberus from the ME series.

 

If the veil is thin a spirit can pass through and posses various stuff, didn't you notice the dead corpses, tress etc. walking around in origins?

 

I wondered what caused the insanity and possession in the first place (unfortunally we'll never get the answer to that so we can only speculate) and as Anders said mages doesn't get taught in the circle how to act outside their golden cage.

I agree that mages have it better in some areas then say the elves, but there are some downsides to composite for the good things aswell.

 

There would be a ROA every 40 years or so according to the numbers we have, since Thedas is pretty much the middle age in terms of living condition which means if you are 40 years old you are an old man and again most circle tend to be outside cities and in places where it would be difficult for abomination from the circle to go on a killing spree on ordinary people when a circle goes nuts it goes there is just as much damaged for mages and the templars stationed there.

It's part of life in Thedas stuff happens and people die much like in the real world mages is part of the world finding a way to coexist somewhate okay without to much death.

 

But no matter the solution people will still die, demons will find a way into and no system will be perfect saying other wise, well you are basically either an idiot or a fool, just like saying it can only be the mages fault and not the templars after all there are reasons why the Seekers exist to make sure the templars don't step out of the line and basically become inhuman monster, because magic is a gift of the maker and is meant to serve man and not rule over him it says so in the chant of light.

[TTTX]

whatever he still summoned them point was that even 1 mage is enough to turn everyone into abomnation...

 

It is obvious that we will find way to fix veil other wise it would be game over and end of the series...

 

Yeah lets buy circle robes because well why don't commite suicide it is so fan waste money for robe to everyone see that im mage hah...

 

And how demon will get that body if mage is dead so mage can't summon demon?

 

No as i said only Evelina had that excuse another mage was insane and possessed when third was ****** that is danger for everything around... besides mages are living in luxuries so they had very high life conditions...

 

thats a lot for 800 years and that not count corrupted mages , mages that are escaping from circles , not captured mages and many many abomnations...

him and his whatever fellows who supported and it was a surprise attack.

 

Of course there is a way to fix it, but it will still require magic.

 

Sarcasm, seriously there are no law for people wearing robes and you have to remember it's a game and BW doesn't always think through when they come to the last detail if you want proof of that just look at Cerberus from the ME series.

 

If the veil is thin a spirit can pass through and posses various stuff, didn't you notice the dead corpses, tress etc. walking around in origins?

 

I wondered what caused the insanity and possession in the first place (unfortunally we'll never get the answer to that so we can only speculate) and as Anders said mages doesn't get taught in the circle how to act outside their golden cage.

I agree that mages have it better in some areas then say the elves, but there are some downsides to composite for the good things aswell.

 

There would be a ROA every 40 years or so according to the numbers we have, since Thedas is pretty much the middle age in terms of living condition which means if you are 40 years old you are an old man and again most circle tend to be outside cities and in places where it would be difficult for abomination from the circle to go on a killing spree on ordinary people when a circle goes nuts it goes there is just as much damaged for mages and the templars stationed there.

It's part of life in Thedas stuff happens and people die much like in the real world mages is part of the world finding a way to coexist somewhate okay without to much death.

 

But no matter the solution people will still die, demons will find a way into and no system will be perfect saying other wise, well you are basically either an idiot or a fool, just like saying it can only be the mages fault and not the templars after all there are reasons why the Seekers exist to make sure the templars don't step out of the line and basically become inhuman monster, because magic is a gift of the maker and is meant to serve man and not rule over him it says so in the chant of light.

[wcholcombe]

By virtue of the creation school, the eluvian, imperial highway and the formation of the Grey Wardens. I daresay that they very well might be. My projections and theories actually have a basis in evidence.

Andrastians are very petty and extremely vindictive. That’s why mage children are sometimes singled out as catalysts of mundane problems and why known mages can’t so much as walk through a town without summoning Andrastians with pitchforks. It’s why they antagonize the Qunari in DA II. It is exactly why they can purge Alienages and not feel a thing. Because they are petty and vindictive. Not all, of course. The ones that aren’t are exceptions that prove the rule.

Never said that mages were not a danger. Not sure where you’ve gotten that from. I AM saying that the risk is worth it. I am saying that Andrastians are little more than bullies who’d rather oppress minorities and cower in fear than reap the benefits of a grateful ally.

To make it plain, the Andrastians have sown discontent and hatred among their minorities and it is only a matter of time before they get their comeuppance.
I can only hope that Bioware allows the PC to help usher it in.

Its not andrastian. It is human nature among the ignorant to blame and villify those who are different. The Chantry teaching is thatagi is a gift, also nothing in the chant villifies minorities. It is basic human nature the same as in our real world history.

[EmissaryofLies]

Its not andrastian. It is human nature among the ignorant to blame and villify those who are different. The Chantry teaching is thatagi is a gift, also nothing in the chant villifies minorities. It is basic human nature the same as in our real world history.

 

Andrastians have the power, they are the people calling the shots. But you are correct, it is human nature and something must be done about these particular humans. 

 

 Chantry sisters are the first up to vilify Mages/Elves/Anything not human and Andrastian for just about anything. I remember Uldred at Ostagar, I remember my Elven Warden talking to the Chantry sister there. I remember Petrice. I remember the Priest at Redcliffe telling the warden that she won't sic the town on him. I remember reading about all that they've done to the mages and the elves collectively. The f*cks then have the nerve to claim the current state of said minorities as a 'mercy' or a 'blessing' if I'm to believe Petrine. 

 

When the Chantry beings to practice what they allegedly preach, I'll change my view. 

 

But they won't. So something will have to be done. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Andrastians have the power, they are the people calling the shots. But you are correct, it is human nature and something must be done about these particular humans. 

 

 Chantry sisters are the first up to vilify Mages/Elves/Anything not human and Andrastian for just about anything. I remember Uldred at Ostagar, I remember my Elven Warden talking to the Chantry sister there. I remember Petrice. I remember the Priest at Redcliffe telling the warden that she won't sic the town on him. I remember reading about all that they've done to the mages and the elves collectively. The f*cks then have the nerve to claim the current state of said minorities as a 'mercy' or a 'blessing' if I'm to believe Petrine. 

 

When the Chantry beings to practice what they allegedly preach, I'll change my view. 

 

But they won't. So something will have to be done. 

 

Gods you are adamant about being incorrect.

 

The Chantry Sister at Ostagar doesn't seek you out, you go to her.

 

You reject the boon of her faith and she rightly tells you she has better things to do, Uldred's magical signal is entirely conjectural based given we have no idea what he intended or if the method was even reliable. Petrice was rightly concerned over the Qunari and Later the mages, Humanity is in struggle against the Qunari, they are no friend to any people, Andrastian or no. So her having misgivings about Chantry stance on the issue is not only understandable but commendable. The Priest of Redcliff assures you that she wouldn't done any harm to a Mage Warden. Why that assurance magically comes off to you as a threat i don't rightly know.

 

The mages are given perhaps the greatest of gifts by the Chantry, continued existence, safety from their own power and the knowledge of how to use it correctly and yet you have people who label it as "Slavery", An Inaccurate hyperbole as there ever was. Also i will point out that the Chantry only called forth an exalted March upon the Dales, Again when the Dales were already invading Orlais and had already sacked one city.

 

So I'd say the Chantry does more then practice what they preach, they actively try to get along with people and help them.

 

Don't be surprised when that isn't an option.

[wcholcombe]

Andrastians have the power, they are the people calling the shots. But you are correct, it is human nature and something must be done about these particular humans.

Chantry sisters are the first up to vilify Mages/Elves/Anything not human and Andrastian for just about anything. I remember Uldred at Ostagar, I remember my Elven Warden talking to the Chantry sister there. I remember Petrice. I remember the Priest at Redcliffe telling the warden that she won't sic the town on him. I remember reading about all that they've done to the mages and the elves collectively. The f*cks then have the nerve to claim the current state of said minorities as a 'mercy' or a 'blessing' if I'm to believe Petrine.

When the Chantry beings to practice what they allegedly preach, I'll change my view.

But they won't. So something will have to be done.

I am not arguing there are some twits in the chantry, but the chantry didn't make them that way. They would be like that if they grew up in a different religion. The Chantry gives their hate a target unintentionally, but the issue is the person not the faith.

I actually found most templars and mothers in DAO to be fairly even keeled towards magic. You had your outliers of course.

[Master Warder Z_]

I am not arguing there are some twits in the chantry, but the chantry didn't make them that way. They would be like that if they grew up in a different religion. The Chantry gives their hate a target unintentionally, but the issue is the person not the faith.

I actually found most templars and mothers in DAO to be fairly even keeled towards magic. You had your outliers of course.

 

Every faction has it's Fanatics.

 

._. From all accounts the NSDAP was actually a fairly middle line party until it...changed leadership so to speak.

[TheKomandorShepard]

him and his whatever fellows who supported and it was a surprise attack.

 

Of course there is a way to fix it, but it will still require magic.

 

Sarcasm, seriously there are no law for people wearing robes and you have to remember it's a game and BW doesn't always think through when they come to the last detail if you want proof of that just look at Cerberus from the ME series.

 

If the veil is thin a spirit can pass through and posses various stuff, didn't you notice the dead corpses, tress etc. walking around in origins?

 

I wondered what caused the insanity and possession in the first place (unfortunally we'll never get the answer to that so we can only speculate) and as Anders said mages doesn't get taught in the circle how to act outside their golden cage.

I agree that mages have it better in some areas then say the elves, but there are some downsides to composite for the good things aswell.

 

There would be a ROA every 40 years or so according to the numbers we have, since Thedas is pretty much the middle age in terms of living condition which means if you are 40 years old you are an old man and again most circle tend to be outside cities and in places where it would be difficult for abomination from the circle to go on a killing spree on ordinary people when a circle goes nuts it goes there is just as much damaged for mages and the templars stationed there.

It's part of life in Thedas stuff happens and people die much like in the real world mages is part of the world finding a way to coexist somewhate okay without to much death.

 

But no matter the solution people will still die, demons will find a way into and no system will be perfect saying other wise, well you are basically either an idiot or a fool, just like saying it can only be the mages fault and not the templars after all there are reasons why the Seekers exist to make sure the templars don't step out of the line and basically become inhuman monster, because magic is a gift of the maker and is meant to serve man and not rule over him it says so in the chant of light.

 

It supposed to be suprise atack and it ended on tower full of demon his fellows didn't do anything demons did most of the work...

 

And as i said few extremly well controled mages is enough...

 

Yeah why just don't turn on you templars and everyone attention wearing circle robes in city i mean it is not that templars will just kill you for doing that ups...

 

So what you tell that if i kill mage entire veil will be destroyed and milions of demons will end in thedas possessing dead mages because otherwise that don't have any point...

 

As far mages have best living standarts if we exclude nobles far from plight...

 

And roaming abomnations destroying world because mages want just live hardly is good reason to spare them and allow themt to turn into abomnation or bring another disaster so well try again.

 

First it is ridiculous because it will solve problem because mages are problem prom causing disasters to abomnations

without mages we don't have peoples who are causing disasters because of their flaws

second we don't have abomnations (which mean most often used way and the easiest and best way for demon to cross veil) it also removes another option for demon to cross veil being summoned by mage so what we gained?

We removed 2 of 3 most often used and easiest ways for demon to cross veil , we removed every disaster that mages will cause during their life (and thats a lot) and we limited torned veil by removing mages who are fastest way to torn veil pure profit...

[TTTX]

It supposed to be suprise atack and it ended on tower full of demon his fellows didn't do anything demons did most of the work...

 

And as i said few extremly well controled mages is enough...

 

Yeah why just don't turn on you templars and everyone attention wearing circle robes in city i mean it is not that templars will just kill you for doing that ups...

 

So what you tell that if i kill mage entire veil will be destroyed and milions of demons will end in thedas possessing dead mages because otherwise that don't have any point...

 

As far mages have best living standarts if we exclude nobles far from plight...

 

And roaming abomnations destroying world because mages want just live hardly is good reason to spare them and allow themt to turn into abomnation or bring another disaster so well try again.

 

First it is ridiculous because it will solve problem because mages are problem prom causing disasters to abomnations

without mages we don't have peoples who are causing disasters because of their flaws

second we don't have abomnations (which mean most often used way and the easiest and best way for demon to cross veil) it also removes another option for demon to cross veil being summoned by mage so what we gained?

We removed 2 of 3 most often used and easiest ways for demon to cross veil , we removed every disaster that mages will cause during their life (and thats a lot) and we limited torned veil by removing mages who are fastest way to torn veil pure profit...

I'm just saying he wasn't alone in summoning the demons and then he probably used years and years planing this thing and again you also need knowledge on how to summon which can happen various ways either strike a deal with a demon (which is foolish most mages know this, but some are willing to make the scarifies), through another blood mage or tomes or whatever or they can try and learn it on their own.

 

Assuming they will play ball and don't have this "screw you because you don't respect me and kill many innocents so you can solve the problem yourself" attitude.

 

are you going to be serious or you continue be childish with your sarcasm? It takes more then robes to prove your are mage.

 

well looked ways from the occasional rape from some the Templars, the constant threat of being turned into an emotional empty shell, having your children taken from you and the constant from armored people that looks like they are going to kill you at any moment, you know the small stuff as I said there are downsides too after all a golden cage is still a cage when it comes down to it.

 

The world will still have disaster, death and the other stuff you worry about even after you kill the mages and you know what you can do nothing about it, because the demons will always be there and if you kill all the mages well they eventually target the so called non-mages and turn them into the magical well battery they need.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm just saying he wasn't alone in summoning the demons and then he probably used years and years planing this thing and again you also need knowledge on how to summon which can happen various ways either strike a deal with a demon (which is foolish most mages know this, but some are willing to make the scarifies), through another blood mage or tomes or whatever or they can try and learn it on their own.

 

Assuming they will play ball and don't have this "screw you because you don't respect me and kill many innocents so you can solve the problem yourself" attitude.

 

are you going to be serious or you continue be childish with your sarcasm? It takes more then robes to prove your are mage.

 

well looked ways from the occasional rape from some the Templars, the constant threat of being turned into an emotional empty shell, having your children taken from you and the constant from armored people that looks like they are going to kill you at any moment, you know the small stuff as I said there are downsides too after all a golden cage is still a cage when it comes down to it.

 

The world will still have disaster, death and the other stuff you worry about even after you kill the mages and you know what you can do nothing about it, because the demons will always be there and if you kill all the mages well they eventually target the so called non-mages and turn them into the magical well battery they need.

Years of planing? for what to just go into irving office? did he predicted blight and turning into abomnation?To be honest all that guy do was going to irving office and summon some demons then well you know story you don't need to be genius to do that.And as far i have seen a lot of mages is dumb and power hungry to try deal with demons...

 

Well tevinter empire and slaves don't mention that loyalists are blindly obedient so no problem with that they can be forced and that not problem so well...

 

Yes of course because circle robes prove that you aren't mage to be honest i will because i don't know how respond on that and not mock that...

 

As far we see 2 examples of rape in worst circle thats very good socire considering that every organsiation have corrupted peoples few corrupted guys in organisation that count somewhat about thousand peoples is very good socre...  and pretty much most of them even don't renember their families so well.

 

Not rly demons can be there but only they will have is most difficult way to end in thedas trough torned veil and most of torned veil to that point was caused by mages well as far only 1 weak veil place was caused by non-mages where more than few was caused by mages so anyway we reduce chances for them to use 3 way. 

 

And nope non-mage can be possesed only when demon will cross veil or when demon is summoned by mage.

 

Without mages we don't have abominations anymore at worst we have possessed folk what will be pretty much so rare that i can be dealt with...

[EmissaryofLies]

Gods you are adamant about being incorrect.

 

The Chantry Sister at Ostagar doesn't seek you out, you go to her.

 

You reject the boon of her faith and she rightly tells you she has better things to do, Uldred's magical signal is entirely conjectural based given we have no idea what he intended or if the method was even reliable. Petrice was rightly concerned over the Qunari and Later the mages, Humanity is in struggle against the Qunari, they are no friend to any people, Andrastian or no. So her having misgivings about Chantry stance on the issue is not only understandable but commendable. The Priest of Redcliff assures you that she wouldn't done any harm to a Mage Warden. Why that assurance magically comes off to you as a threat i don't rightly know.

 

The mages are given perhaps the greatest of gifts by the Chantry, continued existence, safety from their own power and the knowledge of how to use it correctly and yet you have people who label it as "Slavery", An Inaccurate hyperbole as there ever was. Also i will point out that the Chantry only called forth an exalted March upon the Dales, Again when the Dales were already invading Orlais and had already sacked one city.

 

So I'd say the Chantry does more then practice what they preach, they actively try to get along with people and help them.

 

Don't be surprised when that isn't an option.

 

Chantry Apologist propaganda, that’s kinda cute, I dig it.

 

The Chantry sister was quick to tell Uldred that she won’t trust their lives to him solely because he’s a mage. The other one was a self-righteous condescending jackass. Petrice was a fool. The Qunari attacked when they had had enough of her skullduggery. Not before, not during, but after all of her schemes had laid the groundwork for aggression against the Qunari. She and Isabela are almost entirely at fault for that fiasco. The Priest at Redcliffe says that to the WARDEN because it’s the norm to do the opposite, if it isn’t, why would she bother? That’s also supported by Wynne and Cole in town from Asunder. Which is supported by Wynne’s stories, herself. Which is also supported by Jowan's story about his own benevolent parents. 

 

I can confidently label it as slavery too, btw.

 

Full Definition of SLAVERY according to Merriam Webster

1.       Drudgery, toil.

2.       Submission to a dominating influence.

3.       The state of a person who is a chattel to another.

 

Chattel as defined by Webster: something (such as a slave, piece of furniture, tool, etc.) that a person owns other than land or buildings.

**Mages are traditionally owned by the Divine aka the Chantry**

 

The mages fit at least two of the definitions of slavery, take it up with Webster if you don’t like it.

 

I swear to your maker if you use the word ‘safety’ and ‘chantry’ close together again… Or were you referring to Fereldan and Kirkwall? Where the mages were ‘safe’? Like when the Uldred became an abomination, was he ‘safe from his own power’, were other mages safe from his power? I'm sure the mages who committed suicide felt pretty safe too. Also, Circle Mages DO NOT have any reliable recourse should they experience abuses, they are completely and utterly at the mercy of the Knight Commander. You can scream First Enchanter from the rooftops all ya like. But ask Orsino about the illegal Tranquil popping up in the gallows. Oh, I’m sorry, he’s not allowed beyond the courtyard. 

 

An inaccurate hyperbole would look something like this “The mages are given perhaps the greatest of gifts by the Chantry”.

 

They’ve grossly overpaid the Elves for any transgressions that they may be at fault for. Then the Chantry calls it a mercy and sends Templars out to go after their Dalish keepers should they stay ‘too long’. All the while looking the other way in the event of an Alienage purge, or if they’re being sold into slavery. That is if the

elves aren’t currently toiling away in an Andrastian’s kitchen. Worried about being raped, beaten, and never seeing justice. 

 

The Chantry and its Andrastians are nothing more than a watered down Tevinter. They are which they hate most and now they can’t even maintain that.

 

 

Even Rome fell; Do not be surprised if it is an option. 

[TTTX]

Years of planing? for what to just go into irving office? did he predicted blight and turning into abomnation?To be honest all that guy do was going to irving office and summon some demons then well you know story you don't need to be genius to do that.And as far i have seen a lot of mages is dumb and power hungry to try deal with demons...

 

Well tevinter empire and slaves don't mention that loyalists are blindly obedient so no problem with that they can be forced and that not problem so well...

 

Yes of course because circle robes prove that you aren't mage to be honest i will because i don't know how respond on that and not mock that...

 

As far we see 2 examples of rape in worst circle thats very good socire considering that every organsiation have corrupted peoples few corrupted guys in organisation that count somewhat about thousand peoples is very good socre...  and pretty much most of them even don't renember their families so well.

 

Not rly demons can be there but only they will have is most difficult way to end in thedas trough torned veil and most of torned veil to that point was caused by mages well as far only 1 weak veil place was caused by non-mages where more than few was caused by mages so anyway we reduce chances for them to use 3 way. 

 

And nope non-mage can be possesed only when demon will cross veil or when demon is summoned by mage.

 

Without mages we don't have abominations anymore at worst we have possessed folk what will be pretty much so rare that i can be dealt with...

He probably change the plan when they blight happen and you know it takes time to learn to summon demons and he had recruit people and he probably didn't want use demons and stuff like to begin with, it was a last resort.

 

become the very thing you fear, man I'm glad I'm not your neighbor.

 

Chantry people wear ropes, they obviously mages too let's kill them right? See I can play this game too.

 

I really doubt it's just it's only happen two times over the spans of 800 years, and mage parents remember their child and it being taken from them without good reason.

 

That assuming Demons doesn't adapt around that after all demons can see non mages, but non mages tends to fall in with the background and have little interest in them since they hardly worth the effort, unlike mages who lights up like Christmas trees in comparisons easier to find and all that.

 

Rare, perhaps but that would probably force the demons to change their ways in becoming more subtle in their ways.

 

You know evolution, you change one thing and you cause another.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He probably change the plan when they blight happen and you know it takes time to learn to summon demons and he had recruit people and he probably didn't want use demons and stuff like to begin with, it was a last resort.

 

become the very thing you fear, man I'm glad I'm not your neighbor.

 

Chantry people wear ropes, they obviously mages too let's kill them right? See I can play this game too.

 

I really doubt it's just it's only happen two times over the spans of 800 years, and mage parents remember their child and it being taken from them without good reason.

 

That assuming Demons doesn't adapt around that after all demons can see non mages, but non mages tends to fall in with the background and have little interest in them since they hardly worth the effort, unlike mages who lights up like Christmas trees in comparisons easier to find and all that.

 

Rare, perhaps but that would probably force the demons to change their ways in becoming more subtle in their ways.

 

You know evolution, you change one thing and you cause another.

 

Well it isn't art to summon demon even untrained mage can become one of them... and he couldn't even control them.

 

Well im not walking bomb so well

 

Well chantry robes and circle robes are rather 2 different thins hm?

 

Well it happens in real life as well you have to deal with that because you won't do much about that and still templars have rather good scores as far...

 

Doubt that some demons would take chance to possess non-mage in such case demons don't change...

[KainD]

 

Yes they are handling themselves well constant abomnations ,disasters and corruption pretty they would lead there where first tevinter empire to doom

 

i can see that world we have 2 groups few mages and abomnations remove technology from here and you have image of that

 

I'm going to give you a like for the music. 

[TTTX]

Well it isn't art to summon demon even untrained mage can become one of them... and he couldn't even control them.

 

Well im not walking bomb so well

 

Well chantry robes and circle robes are rather 2 different thins hm?

 

Well it happens in real life as well you have to deal with that because you won't do much about that and still templars have rather good scores as far...

 

Doubt that some demons would take chance to possess non-mage in such case demons don't change...

Well true, but most mages aren't that stupid unless their backs are turned to the wall and like most humans they do whatever they need to survive.

 

Try spend 30 years isolation and you will be.

 

a robe is a robe, anyone wearing one most obviously be a mage.

 

Well that depends really on the situation and so do the mages but you know some people are just like krogan guarding their pathetic stick in ground which applies both templar and mage supporter, I'm more of a middle ground person myself prefering see things from both sides I know templars point of view and the mages, but becoming an Adolf Hitler or a Stalin doesn't do anyone any good, you could possible make the world a better place, but it would be the cost of your humanity.