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[TTTX]

pff antichrist? im benevolent individual that remove danger for entire world!

 

And none of them is even close to diaster/abomnation incydent caused by mage so well thats one of reasons why peoples are tolerated but still under rules of society and why mages aren't and have more restrictions placed on them.Do you want tell me that mages are less corrupted than normal peoples or something else?

 

Well considering that most mages are able doing what they want in their free time well and they live in luxury well i would say that their life is above averge especially in thedas ... 

That's what Hitler said.

 

since mages relative live peacefully in their circles and when they go nuts most of the time the templars contain the situation, mind you I'm not advocating that mages should be free from the circle because that would be foolish to say the least.

 

well if you want people to watch you as you sleep and other stuff, you know details.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Please.. Who's the naive one here? 

 

 

 

We normal humans have the ability to destroy the whole planet earth sevral times over with the amount of nukes we currently possess. Hey look we're still alive. 

 

Pfff it was a joke but remove benevolent part and sentence is correct so well.

 

Can you destroy planet right now no you can't can you mother do that or perhaps neighbor thing is that nuke is inanimate object second thing it is so controled that you won't be able even approache it...

 

 

That's what Hitler said.

 

since mages relative live peacefully in their circles and when they go nuts most of the time the templars contain the situation, mind you I'm not advocating that mages should be free from the circle because that would be foolish to say the least.

 

well if you want people to watch you as you sleep and other stuff, you know details.

 

 

So he was hunting mages?

 

Anders ,malcolm hawke , many refugees from circles , many apostates , many abomnations so nope they aren't doing good job and as i said with mages now is peace tomorrow explosion.

[KainD]

Pfff it was a joke but remove benevolent part and sentence is correct so well.

 

Can you destroy planet right now no you can't can you mother do that or perhaps neighbor thing is that nuke is inanimate object second thing it is so controled that you won't be able even approache it...

 

No it's not correct, danger will always be present, living is dangerous. 

 

I am not the person that can control the nuke, but there are people that do. 

[TTTX]

Well it is not that blight or civil war affected circle

 

well in da 2 we have plenty abomnations as well and that if we don't count insane mages.

Besides they painted templars even in good light with flaws but still they were far from mages so i don't get that extremes...

Actually it was, you know Logian made a deal with Uldred so it was affected by both.  

 

gameplay elements, after it would be boring if you walk down a hallway to a bad guy hideout and nothing happens.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No it's not correct, danger will always be present, living is dangerous. 

 

I am not the person that can control the nuke, but there are people that do. 

 

Well dog can be dangerous as well bear but you hold second in cage

 

Same with mages

 

And you think that they can just go nuts and shoot it just because?  

 

 

Actually it was, you know Logian made a deal with Uldred so it was affected by both.

 

gameplay elements, after it would be boring if you walk down a hallway to a bad guy hideout and nothing happens.

 

And did loghain send his peoples to help or or something at all? nope

 

gameplay and hordes of mages that are messing with blood magic in quest aren't gameplay

[TTTX]

Please.. Who's the naive one here? 

 

 

 

We normal humans have the ability to destroy the whole planet earth sevral times over with the amount of nukes we currently possess. Hey look we're still alive. 

I agree with this.

 

 

So he was hunting mages?

 

Anders ,malcolm hawke , many refugees from circles , many apostates , many abomnations so nope they aren't doing good job and as i said with mages now is peace tomorrow explosion.

No, he just killed anyone he believed made the world a bad place and so the world would be a better place.

 

Not really Kirkwall was a crazy place and well Meredith had pretty much her eyes on the circle and keeping the city under her tumb, everything else seems to escape her notice.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

No, he just killed anyone he believed made the world a bad place and so the world would be a better place.

 

Not really Kirkwall was a crazy place and well Meredith had pretty much her eyes on the circle and keeping the city under her tumb, everything else seems to escape her notice.

 

Well how do you know in what he belived? Only he knew.

 

Was as far i only saw plenty crazy mages and 1 crazy templar because of red lyrium so well...

[TTTX]

And did loghain send his peoples to help or or something at all? nope

 

gameplay and hordes of mages that are messing with blood magic in quest aren't gameplay

*sighs* listen here, if the blight hadn't happened chances are Uldered would have most likely failed in his attempt to take over the circle.

 

we also have hordes of gangs with incredible unlimited numbers of people and you know it's a game.

[TTTX]

Well how do you know in what he belived? Only he knew.

 

Was as far i only saw plenty crazy mages and 1 crazy templar because of red lyrium so well...

It was what he told the people more or less.

 

Templars were more sadistic in DA2 then crazy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

*sighs* listen here, if the blight hadn't happened chances are Uldered would have most likely failed in his attempt to take over the circle.

 

we also have hordes of gangs with incredible unlimited numbers of people and you know it's a game.

 

Because? why he would is blight gives him power up 3x?

 

Not unlimited and gangs are in story as there is quest about them so well

[TTTX]

Because? why he would is blight gives him power up 3x?

 

Not unlimited and gangs are in story as there is quest about them so well

Templars would have found out, I think it was noted in game that Uldred was after the first enchanters position in the codex or something.

 

The answer is a little more complex then you might think, for all we know Uldred might been planing a long term plan for more freedom for the circle after all he is a libertarian (They were the ones who caused a lot of problems as well in Ashunder) it's what they want, only problem that using demons wouldn't really active that goal since they would cut him down or they would annul the circle, but he probably studied blood magic most likely the mindcontrol aspect and for worst case scenario demon summoning, my guess is he discovered his couldn't do this on his own so he slowly started to recruit most likely other libertarians to active the goal and it probably took a lot of time, like years because he had to train them in absolute secret which is very hard considering where they live.

Then blight and Ostegard happens and Loghain offers him more freedom for the circle and most likely the position of first enchanter, the perfect opportunity he can basically get all his goals without any bloodshed and almost succeed until someone told Irving what happened at Ostegard and then you what happened chaos.

 

We fight more normal people then mages though.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Templars would have found out, I think it was noted in game that Uldred was after the first enchanters position in the codex or something.

 

The answer is a little more complex then you might think, for all we know Uldred might been planing a long term plan for more freedom for the circle after all he is a libertarian (They were the ones who caused a lot of problems as well in Ashunder) it's what they want, only problem that using demons wouldn't really active that goal since they would cut him down or they would annul the circle, but he probably studied blood magic most likely the mindcontrol aspect and for worst case scenario demon summoning, my guess is he discovered his couldn't do this on his own so he slowly started to recruit most likely other libertarians to active the goal and it probably took a lot of time, like years because he had to train them in absolute secret which is very hard considering where they live.

Then blight and Ostegard happens and Loghain offers him more freedom for the circle and most likely the position of first enchanter, the perfect opportunity he can basically get all his goals without any bloodshed and almost succeed until someone told Irving what happened at Ostegard and then you what happened chaos.

 

We fight more normal people then mages though.

 

Yeah right they would found that out because well if bligt didn't happened they would recive + 5 to intelligence?

 

Logain did nothing uldred wanted rebellion he screwd and start spawm with demon and creates abomnation tower... end of the story

 

yeas we fight normal peoples and we can handle them because they are as dangerous as we are when mages are walking bomb and are unstable...

[EmissaryofLies]

Not sure what argument there is to be had here.

 

Mages are dangerous. 

 

Dangerous is bad. 

 

Therefore, in order to neutralize the threat mages must be purged. 

 

The people who will have committed the purging are dangerous as well, they'll have to be taken care of. 

 

Oh but the people who took care of the people who took care of the mages are dangerous too, what are we to do?

 

Purge. 

 

****!! But the people who took care of the people who neutralized the people who killed the people who wiped out the mages have to be dealt wtih....

 

 

 

We'll need to send them to the Triangle. 

[TTTX]

Yeah right they would found that out because well if bligt didn't happened they would recive + 5 to intelligence?

 

Logain did nothing uldred wanted rebellion he screwd and start spawm with demon and creates abomnation tower... end of the story

 

yeas we fight normal peoples and we can handle them because they are as dangerous as we are when mages are walking bomb and are unstable...

who knows? we can only speculate.

 

No, if Uldred wanted that he and his fellows would have summoned the demons as soon as the meeting started, but they didn't and from what I gathered the meeting took a lot of time (since some apparently lost interest in the meeting), you know debates and all that takes time and since he had Loghain on his side he would be able to have the templars thrown out of Ferelden eventually (and does his mages wouldn't be as much at risk if he used demons and blood magic), whether or not he would use blood magic to control Loghain in order to do this, well it's possible again we'll never find out. But again it didn't go as planned as well Wynne ruined it for him and so he had change his plan for the worse, but he probably had this "what do I have to lose at this point? I have Loghain on my side so screw it and let me kick the templars out and take control of the circle."

 

I wonder how many mages really loses it or actually explodes as being a bomb as you say, and besides that's why we have circles so we don't keep the death count down much like prisons and mental homes for for the crazy persons to keep the death count down. 

 

 

Not sure what argument there is to be had here.

 

Mages are dangerous. 

 

Dangerous is bad. 

 

Therefore, in order to neutralize the threat mages must be purged. 

 

The people who will have committed the purging are dangerous as well, they'll have to be taken care of. 

 

Oh but the people who took care of the people who took care of the mages are dangerous too, what are we to do?

 

Purge. 

 

****!! But the people who took care of the people who neutralized the people who killed the people who wiped out the mages have to be dealt wtih....

 

 

 

We'll need to send them to the Triangle. 

This is a never ending cycle of killing if you did that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not sure what argument there is to be had here.

 

Mages are dangerous. 

 

Dangerous is bad. 

 

Therefore, in order to neutralize the threat mages must be purged. 

 

The people who will have committed the purging are dangerous as well, they'll have to be taken care of. 

 

Oh but the people who took care of the people who took care of the mages are dangerous too, what are we to do?

 

Purge. 

 

****!! But the people who took care of the people who neutralized the people who killed the people who wiped out the mages have to be dealt wtih....

 

 

 

We'll need to send them to the Triangle. 

Would the last standing person have to kill themselves to protect themselves from themselves since they are dangerous to themselves.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Please.. Who's the naive one here? 

 

 

We normal humans have the ability to destroy the whole planet earth sevral times over with the amount of nukes we currently possess. Hey look we're still alive. 

 

 

You do realize nukes are objects with no will of their own?

You also realize that they are kept in bunkers, in military bases under tight security?

You do realize you need a whole team of people to launch one, and there are many, many security measures, including launch codes and confirmations?

 

And do you know that we almost did start a GTW several times despite all that?

Seriously, if you knew how close we came (we're talking about 1 second to midnight here) you'd never sleep safe again.
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not sure what argument there is to be had here.

 

Mages are dangerous. 

 

Dangerous is bad. 

 

Therefore, in order to neutralize the threat mages must be purged. 

 

The people who will have committed the purging are dangerous as well, they'll have to be taken care of. 

 

Oh but the people who took care of the people who took care of the mages are dangerous too, what are we to do?

 

Purge. 

 

****!! But the people who took care of the people who neutralized the people who killed the people who wiped out the mages have to be dealt wtih....

 

 

 

We'll need to send them to the Triangle. 

 

LoL what simple thinking and without any sense...

 

You threat bear different than dog because bear is more dangerous for you perhaps i would have use bigger example you treat godzilla differently than dog when both can be dangerous in first case you are sending rockets in second you are taking it to home...

 

Fact is that how much something is dangerous and mages are ticking nuclear bombs if such peoples would exist in real life they would be dead already...

 

So please don't use caveman logic.

 

 

who knows? we can only speculate.

 

No, if Uldred wanted that he and his fellows would have summoned the demons as soon as the meeting started, but they didn't and from what I gathered the meeting took a lot of time (since some apparently lost interest in the meeting), you know debates and all that takes time and since he had Loghain on his side he would be able to have the templars thrown out of Ferelden eventually (and does his mages wouldn't be as much at risk if he used demons and blood magic), whether or not he would use blood magic to control Loghain in order to do this, well it's possible again we'll never find out. But again it didn't go as planned as well Wynne ruined it for him and so he had change his plan for the worse, but he probably had this "what do I have to lose at this point? I have Loghain on my side so screw it and let me kick the templars out and take control of the circle."

 

I wonder how many mages really loses it or actually explodes as being a bomb as you say, and besides that's why we have circles so we don't keep the death count down much like prisons and mental homes for for the crazy persons to keep the death count down. 

 

 

 

 

Well he didn't need loghain as i said he did everything alone well with his peoples and summoned demons to fight so well because he first was talking? Pretty much it wasn't genius strike to summon couple demons that you couldn't control and that took control over tower creating more abomnations.

 

Prisons are created for normal humans it works usually but well i would say that death i always better becuase prisoner never will escape and do that again.Circles are failures considering frequency escapes and disasters.  

[DKJaigen]

You do realize nukes are objects with no will of their own?

You also realize that they are kept in bunkers, in military bases under tight security?

You do realize you need a whole team of people to launch one, and there are many, many security measures, including launch codes and confirmations?

 

And do you know that we almost did start a GTW several times despite all that?

Seriously, if you knew how close we came (we're talking about 1 second to midnight here) you'd never sleep safe again.
 

 

Great its the wh40k fanboy .  Nukes aside the technology we have these days allow any normal human to be a far greater danger then an abomination. And even the chantry is aware its full of **** lotion. Because you dont reward mages with the rights to settle in some remote village if they could blow up an entire city if they become possessed.

 

But abominations have never been a such a danger. The chantry is aware of its own bullshit.

[TheLittleBird]

Great its the wh40k fanboy .  Nukes aside the technology we have these days allow any normal human to be a far greater danger then an abomination. And even the chantry is aware its full of **** lotion. Because you dont reward mages with the rights to settle in some remote village if they could blow up an entire city if they become possessed.

 

But abominations have never been a such a danger. The chantry is aware of its own bullshit.

 

Have you heard Meredith tell Hawke why she hates mages so much?

Have you played the Broken Circle quest?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Great its the wh40k fanboy .  Nukes aside the technology we have these days allow any normal human to be a far greater danger then an abomination. And even the chantry is aware its full of **** lotion. Because you dont reward mages with the rights to settle in some remote village if they could blow up an entire city if they become possessed.

 

But abominations have never been a such a danger. The chantry is aware of its own bullshit.

 

And as i said can you use nukes or perhaps your father so well there is no conversation about that..

 

And no chantry belives that no stop... chantry knows that because it is truth good example when damn children took over entire castle and kill everyone in it or mind-controled and then it did same with village without much effort.

 

Oh pro-mages are more and more desperate in seeking arguments... let me know when you will find decent one not made up to show how chantry is evil...

[KainD]

Oh pro-mages are more and more desperate in seeking arguments... let me know when you will find decent one not made up to show how chantry is evil...

There's no arguments to be had really. If you are a mundane you enslave/purge mages, if you are a mage you enslave/purge mundanes - easy.

[TTTX]

Well he didn't need loghain as i said he did everything alone well with his peoples and summoned demons to fight so well because he first was talking? Pretty much it wasn't genius strike to summon couple demons that you couldn't control and that took control over tower creating more abomnations.

 

Prisons are created for normal humans it works usually but well i would say that death i always better becuase prisoner never will escape and do that again.Circles are failures considering frequency escapes and disasters.

He actually does need Loghain, if he doesn't have any support at all, his so called rebellion wouldn't last long (you know an army of Templars would cut him down), he could run to Tevinter, but there is a lot of ground between Ferelden and Tevinter, not to mentioned he would probably get enslave by his so called fellow mages.

 

Soo you think people who stole a piece of gum deserves to die, you would feel at home in Tevinter all you need is magic. 

Not really, you would be surprised how many people escapes from prisons, cops etc. and have more rebellions then the circles does and these disasters you talk about doesn't seem to happen as often as you as you think, you would have greater chance getting robed and killed by a gang of thieves then running into a abomination or crazy mage.

[TheKomandorShepard]

There's no arguments to be had really. If you are a mundane you enslave/purge mages, if you are a mage you enslave/purge mundanes - easy.

 

Nah i will just destroy everyone who is on my way to victory whether it be a mage or not...

 

 

He actually does need Loghain, if he doesn't have any support at all, his so called rebellion wouldn't last long (you know an army of Templars would cut him down), he could run to Tevinter, but there is a lot of ground between Ferelden and Tevinter, not to mentioned he would probably get enslave by his so called fellow mages.

 

Soo you think people who stole a piece of gum deserves to die, you would feel at home in Tevinter all you need is magic. 

Not really, you would be surprised how many people escapes from prisons, cops etc. and have more rebellions then the circles does and these disasters you talk about doesn't seem to happen as often as you as you think, you would have greater chance getting robed and killed by a gang of thieves then running into a abomination or crazy mage.

 

He would do that anyway perhaps a little later but it is clear he was badly prepared and too arrogant to do that so well that would end way as it ended.

 

As i said 1000 times but non one seems hear prisoner in real life is danger as every human same level can be little stronger or weaker but pretty much same level.You react different on escape of dog and on escape of bear...

 

And considering that i can meet abomnations and blood mages in dark alleys in both cities nope i think that i would have chance end as sacrifice...

 

As i said mages>>(danger)>> non-mage

[TTTX]

But abominations have never been a such a danger. The chantry is aware of its own bullshit.

I'm a pro mage, but even I know this is foolish to believe, without Templars to kill abominations chances of a normal persons is almost zero.

 

 

There's no arguments to be had really. If you are a mundane you enslave/purge mages, if you are a mage you enslave/purge mundanes - easy.

Pretty much, it's an endless circle debate to a question there are no right answer too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As i said 1000 times but non one seems hear prisoner in real life is danger as every human same level can be little stronger or weaker but pretty much same level.You react different on escape of dog and on escape of bear...

You should fear the dog more actually. More people are killed on average from dog attacks than bear attacks each year.