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[DKJaigen]

Hence why i was doing the argument they already had a sizable stockpile of it for field operations, Lambert was planning a short term campaign but that doesn't mean there would be contingency plans in place, after all he assembled the entire order for the most part in Orlais, if you are going to being having that many men operating in concert it makes the argument that logistical basis has already been established otherwise a campaign would be impossible.

 

That may be so many armies are no longer fit to fight after being cut of from their supply lines for 2 months. that is military fact

[TTTX]

 

But you cannot argue that her pushing the rite of tranquility cure in response to pressure from Orlais didn't prompt this decision, she did it out of a compromise sure, but it also lead to the events of Asunder. i merely point out that had she decided to pursue it in a less tremulous time it likely wouldn't have met the reaction it garnered.

 

See that's the subjective Pro Mage viewpoint i take issue with, The system worked more or less for a thousand years and this only came to a head because of the actions of a handful of individuals who worked in the aftermath of a political crisis to push their own agenda. I can pretty confidently state that if certain people hadn't been involved, the system as it existed would still be viable in DA, Which is why i am pushing for its return.

She wasn't looking for a cure for tranquility, she was looking for an alternative so some of the weaker mages didn't have to fear the right of tranquility (So they get turned into these emotional less puppets) or demon possession and she actually started the research 5 years before Asunder happens and I get the feeling there is always tremulous times, not to mention she already an old woman she probably doesn't have the time to wait for calmer times.

 

Indeed the system worked more or less, this coming from a Pro mage, however there were room for improvement within the circle system, if the system do return however it needs improvements.

[EmissaryofLies]

Rarity nah it is rather big rarity considering that we meet a lot blood mages and abomnations not only inside circles but also outside circles. So rather naive perspective for sake supporting circles just for sake supporting circles.

 

Not rly we had a lot escapes from it , a lot missed mages and a lot corruption inside circles it don't work sure it deliver more safety that total mage freedom but thats says a little and still sucks considering that we plenty examples mages causing disasters.

 

What im going for you know that and many knows that it is final solution killing all/almost all mages so no more escapes and anti-mages can focus entirely on hunting mages instead watching them add to that some laws and propaganda mages problems mostly solved for good.

 

If it could feasibly be done without massive repercussions, it would be the first thing I'd do. 

 

Thedas would ultimately benefit without the presence of rebellious Circle Mages and Blight inducing Magisters. 

[DKJaigen]

So, What would be you're proposed solution that?

 

Because of the circle, Abominations running amok through out the countryside became a significant rarity, and so did blood magic domination. Its practically non existent outside of the Imperium in Thedas because of the circle.

 

The circle kept magic contained, if there was spill over, it effected the circle and not much else, that was how it operated more or less for more then nine hundred years.

 

This benefits the mages ? Create a system where both benefit .

[Master Warder Z_]

This benefits the mages ? Create a system where both benefit .

 

I'm sorry i forgot that mages like being possessed, lynched and burned at the stake.

 

The circle protects mages from that.

[Master Warder Z_]

That may be so many armies are no longer fit to fight after being cut of from their supply lines for 2 months. that is military fact

 

It's military speculation you are trying to hoist, not fact.

[The Hierophant]

This benefits the mages ? Create a system where both benefit .

The only issue with the Circles is who makes the rules. Look at the contrast between Tevinter's and the White Divine's CoM.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If it could feasibly be done without massive repercussions, it would be the first thing I'd do. 

 

Thedas would ultimately benefit without the presence of rebellious Circle Mages and Blight inducing Magisters. 

 

There is little lost in killing mages it is not that folks will support mages outside very tiny amount of peoples perhaps.

 

And just love like it stanted almost 900 (well 800 years) when tevinter stood for much more and everyone knew where ultimately lead to and how system worked. Some crapsack worlds function much longer in fiction does that mean that system works?Pretty much it stood to that point but is sucked when it came to protecting world...

[TTTX]

So, What would be you're proposed solution that?

 

Because of the circle, Abominations running amok through out the countryside became a significant rarity, and so did blood magic domination. Its practically non existent outside of the Imperium in Thedas because of the circle.

 

The circle kept magic contained, if there was spill over, it effected the circle and not much else, that was how it operated more or less for more then nine hundred years.

I will like to point out that not all circles lies in the country side.

 

The one Kirkwall was in the city more or less.

[Master Warder Z_]

I will like to point out that not all circles lies in the country side.

 

The one Kirkwall was in the city more or less.

 

It was on an Island separated from the city.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'm sorry i forgot that mages like being possessed, lynched and burned at the stake.

 

The circle protects mages from that.

 

Unnecessarily so. 

 

Perhaps bring circles back for now. The population control should be very tight and celibacy for the mages must be encouraged. Any mage caught  fornicating should face severe consequences limited to tranquility or death. But do it in such a way as to frame it as if the mage in question was caught practicing blood magic. Give the mages more time to connect the dots as to the Circle/Templar's true intentions. 

 

In the mean time it is not unreasonable to work on killing them off over time, say maybe a decade or two, perhaps three. Draw out the snare, once they realize that they're caught in it. It will be too late. 

 

The end game should leave Thedas free of magic or very close. Retain a handful for maintenance of the veil and what not. As Komandor would say. 

[TTTX]

I'm sorry i forgot that mages like being possessed, lynched and burned at the stake.

 

The circle protects mages from that.

At least until the circle gets annulled for some reason.

 

The only issue with the Circles is who makes the rules. Look at the contrast between Tevinter's and the White Divine's CoM.

The circles system needed a neutral party to set the rules.

[Master Warder Z_]

At least until the circle gets annulled for some reason.

 

You mean mass outbreak of corruption, abominations or the Mages deciding to leave?
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

At least until the circle gets annulled for some reason.

 

The circles system needed a neutral party to set the rules.

it had "neutral" party it was called chantry but they were non-mages other side are mages and now find me half mages to be neutral party

[TTTX]

It was on an Island separated from the city.

A little water isn't going to hold abominations at bay for long in case the templars fail at their job.

 

Having a circle so close to a city is a bad idea, especially one where the veil is very thin, period.

[Master Warder Z_]

A little water isn't going to hold abominations at bay for long in case the templars fail at their job.

 

Having a circle so close to a city is a bad idea, especially one where the veil is very thin, period.

 

It was at least half a mile from the city, And Abominations don't look like they can swim by the way.

 

Point being, Kirkwall's circle was put there because the structure already existed and was fortified.

[LobselVith8]

it had "neutral" party it was called chantry but they were non-mages other side are mages and now find me half mages to be neutral party

 

The Chantry controlled the Circles, and their miltiary arm enforcing control was the templars. I don't see how that makes them neutral.

[TheKomandorShepard]

A little water isn't going to hold abominations at bay for long in case the templars fail at their job.

 

Having a circle so close to a city is a bad idea, especially one where the veil is very thin, period.

 

Well considering that during Roa we fought hand of them in the city it worked badly

 

 

The Chantry controlled the Circles, and their miltiary arm enforcing control was the templars. I don't see how that makes them neutral.

 

Well if templar won't be military arm of neutral parthy how do you want to keep them in control? chantry was neutral party (or at least intendet to be) but well lets be realistic non-mages will support non-mages when mages will stick with mages even simple just for sake survival and their own well-being.So put mages in control tevinter put non-mages in control chantry...

[Master Warder Z_]

The Chantry controlled the Circles, and their miltiary arm enforcing control was the templars. I don't see how that makes them neutral.

 

The Chantry also made the circles possible, The Templars and Seekers were originally an Independent Party Lob, they signed the Accord along with the Mages and dedicated themselves to preserve the balance of things. Point being, out of all the groups pushing for it, you had a neutral party in the form of the Inquisition, however it was assumed control over via the Chantry after the signing of the accord but never the less it was intended to act as one.

[TTTX]

You mean mass outbreak of corruption, abominations or the Mages deciding to leave?
 

pretty much all three.

 

 

it had "neutral" party it was called chantry but they were non-mages other side are mages and now find me half mages to be neutral party

The Chantry isn't a neutral party for a number of reasons their martyr was killed by mages, they make a lot of money because of the circle system.

[TheKomandorShepard]

pretty much all three.

 

 

The Chantry isn't a neutral party for a number of reasons their martyr was killed by mages, they make a lot of money because of the circle system.

 

Well in practice no (and there is no such thing as neutral in that case in practice) but on technical level they were neutral as i said non-mages will chose non-mages good over mages and vice versa.

[Master Warder Z_]

pretty much all three.

 

 

The Chantry isn't a neutral party for a number of reasons their martyr was killed by mages, they make a lot of money because of the circle system.

 

It's usually one or the other if not all three.

 

Gaider said they didn't make a penny of the circle by the way.

[TTTX]

It was at least half a mile from the city, And Abominations don't look like they can swim by the way.

 

Point being, Kirkwall's circle was put there because the structure already existed and was fortified.

Who says they need to breath?

 

In a former slave prison, if I was a mage would rather die then live in place that basically says "You are mage and we own your ass".

[Master Warder Z_]

Who says they need to breath?

 

In a former slave prison, if I was a mage would rather die then live in place that basically says "You are mage and we own your ass".

 

The fact that abominations and walking corpses are two separate entities in DA?

 

That's you're perspective and the interior of the circle looked pretty nice enough to me.

[wcholcombe]

The Chantry controlled the Circles, and their miltiary arm enforcing control was the templars. I don't see how that makes them neutral.

You could argue at the end of Asunder the Divine would be the Neutral position.  Considering she was working to improve the situation for both sides.

 

Just a thought.