That mean that after harrowing we can see mages that practice fight and magic like resisting hostile spells , controling fire or (jowan dialogues) spells accuracy spells.
Combative War Magic is the most commonly taught, sure i don't see how that makes them warriors, tacticians or soldiers.
Combative War Magic is the most commonly taught, sure i don't see how that makes them warriors, tacticians or soldiers.
they are warriors unless thy think that warrior is guy that swings axe or sword and i never said they are tactics or soldiers hm?
they are warriors unless thy think that warrior is guy that swings axe or sword and i never said they are tactics or soldiers hm?
You said that they are trained to be combatants, to fight.
That goes beyond the ability to merely inflict harm.
A Gutter Churl can dirk you in the back and kill you, that doesn't make him a warrior.
You said that they are trained to be combatants, to fight.
That goes beyond the ability to merely inflict harm.
A Gutter Churl can dirk you in the back and kill you, that doesn't make him a warrior.
I said they are trained in fight not to be soldiers in the army so as you said assumption...
If he knows how to fight he is warrior if he don't he isn't simple... mages are trained in that matter just instead sword/bow/fist they use magic...
I said they are trained in fight not to be soldiers in the army so as you said assumption...
If he knows how to fight he is warrior if he don't he isn't simple... mages are trained in that matter just instead sword/bow/fist they use magic...
No, You said they were trained to fight, as in act as a combatant, to be a piece on a board, a component in a battlefield whatever.
Relatively few become anymore then middling with War Magic, specialists are a rarity as much as Healers in the Lore.
No, You said they were trained to fight, as in act as a combatant, to be a piece on a board, a component in a battlefield whatever.
Relatively few become anymore then middling with War Magic, specialists are a rarity as much as Healers in the Lore.
So you know what i said better than i ok... 
Point was few pages before and it continues that mages are trained to fight (in fight) not for army but more self-defense and usefulness.considering that elemental school is one of the most common type of magic used by mages well that isn't so rare...
TKS who would win in a fight: a circle mage or a Redcliff city guard? Both are average.
TKS who would win in a fight: a circle mage or a Redcliff city guard?
it could depend on individuals that are fighting and on the environment for example on long distance circle mage wons in short distance depending on skills bigger chances would have guard...
it could depend on individuals that are fighting and on the environment for example on long distance circle mage wons in short distance depending on skills bigger chances would have guard...
There we go, circle mages can't fight for crap.
There we go, circle mages can't fight for crap.
So if someone don't fight melee that means he can't fight hmm....
Because magic isn't infallible, there was no notion of if the spell in question would even serve, given that there wasn't any basis for his proposal to begin with. The Chantry representative may have cut him off, but it was hardly the smack across the face you portray. The Qunari are not allies of Thedas, they are enemies, neutral at the moment or no that will never change until either they all die or succeed. Petrice merely recognized that fact, There is nothing to be gained by pretending friendship with the Oxmen, not a thing. The Priest rallying the townspeople to support the Chantry Law of rooting out illegal magic outside of the circle? Such a travesty! It doesn't matter that illegal mages have no ward against possession, no shield against the threat their magic brings, nor the danger they can cause! Oh no, Because The Chantry Encourages mages to be run down in the streets, not taken to the circle for training and to be kept safe.
In regards to Uldred at Ostagar, why didn't she say that? Why did no one else object to it or exclaim a similar view? It was a hateful and venomous sentiment expressed by a bigoted Chantry Priest. The Qunari were after their tome and they had not expressed any hostility towards Kirkwall besides hurting Hawke's feelings. Petrice was a hotheaded fool, reminds of a certain Asunder mage you and the rest of this board love so very much. But hey, it's ok when she's on your team! You bring up an excellent point about the Priest at Redcliff. If they believe that they'll be taken to the circle, why the pitchforks? Why the threats? Why the close calls? Because like the Chantry, they hate mages.
You misconstruing the dictionary doesn't make what you write to be anymore accurate, just so you know. The Mages are not Slaves, they are not forced to work, To Toil or even pressed into service to fight, The Common People of Thedas, the Serfs, the Servants, and the Press Gangs that herd them into the armies of the Lords, Are more akin to slaves then any mage.
You'll never ever be moved to call it what it is then? Despite the Keili who resembles Orana in all but her race, your phylacteries and complete and utter control over mage lives? Fine. Suit yourself.
Uldred as a Libertatiarian Mercenary, a failure of the circle most certainly, but there will always be Uldred's, Non Mage Uldreds even. You can more remove Greed and stupidity from Mankind then you can wish to fade from Thedas. When Those numbers become more then a mere reference by an insane reference by an abomination perhaps we will look into Mage suicide numbers. Until then though? Its only mention comes from a fairly biased and untrustworthy source.
That abomination you speak of is ultimately another product of the circle. I must say, with their Uldreds, Jowans, Quentins(implied), Graces, Decimus', their claims of safety and protection lose more and more credibility the longer I think about it. In contrast to the other notable individuals who happen to be circle free. I am also not inclined to call either of the circles that we've seen 'safe'. Safe in the sense that one can reasonably expect not to be rounded up in the middle of the night for a do or die situation, or face Tranquility based off of rumors. That's if you're not worried about the Circle's resident psycho Templar. Or screwing up during training. But that's to be expected.
It is the law of the Land, the Dalish flaunt it, They linger upon Possessed National or Personal Lands, and the Chantry reacts accordingly. If they wish to avoid that, either submit their Mages to the circle or have them linger in the remote corners of the world. Either or. And the National Monarchies have no issue with that either, You seem to be holding up the Chantry to be the Antagonist when it merely stays out of Political Affairs for the most part, If you wish to hang "Elven mistreatment" on any one, perhaps it would be better be served by actually pointing the finger at those who write and enforce those laws.
To be fair, I blame both. The Chantry/Templars and the lawmakers. Elves as a whole eat a metric ton of sh*t in this universe, ushered in by the Andrastians, who are so savage as to not recognize or care about a passive genocide of a race in more ways than one.
Really? When the Chantry allows non mages to be classified as little more then second class citizens or property, perhaps that label will hold water. The Mages are kept away from society, and that is the end of it. They aren't used for blood rituals, they aren't used for foot soldiers, they aren't labeled property. Watered down Tevinter? A more accurate label would be "Nothing at all like the Imperium".
That does not change the fact that they are. As for the rest, I should have been more clear. Looking at the state of elves and mages in Andrastian society, I hardly see too much of a difference in sentiment and function, hence 'watered down Tevinter'. They are what they hate. It would be hilarious if they were intelligent enough to at least see and admit to it.
They're the diet cola to Coca Cola. Both are terrible and Mountain Dew is superior. That's what Thedas needs from Bioware...Mountain Dew.
So if someone don't fight melee that means he can't fight hmm....
Yes, there's nothing stopping a mage from casting spells in melee. If it takes too much time to cast a spell they suck, if they can't defend themselves from basic melee attacks, they suck. We are even pitting a circle mage vs a regular militia guy, not even a professionally trained soldier or an assassin.
Watched lord of the rings? Legolas was an archer, short range hasn't bothered him in the slightest.
Yes, there's nothing stopping a mage from casting spells in melee. If it takes too much time to cast a spell they suck, if they can't defend themselves from basic melee attacks, they suck. We are even pitting a circle mage vs a regular militia guy, not even a professionally trained soldier or an assassin.
Watched lord of the rings? Legolas was an archer, short range hasn't bothered him in the slightest.
So you are telling me that every mage including hawke and the warden who defeated strongest being in thedas sucks because they didn't fought meele?Well i agree that they suck but as i said mages are using magic to fight and that sucks in thedas and as far we didn't saw single mage that fights meele (outside perhaps protagonists and morrigan) neither from circle neither from tevinter nor from other cultures so sorry pal but that not circle thing...
So if you want scream that mages in circles aren't trained in fight they are if you want argue that mages sucks i agree...
You guys desperately need a "Deadliest Warrior" Thedasian spin-off to settle this emphatically.
It seemed too obvious though. "There might be a way for me, if you let me in" if I wasn't already suspicious, that would have made me certain of its true nature. It kept on flattering the apprentice in blatant ways. I had the impressions it was merely playing with the PC.
And that's how the Fade is supposed to be.
Besides, ultimately for a willing possession, the mage has to say "yes" to the demon. The Pride Demon was playing on the Warden's pride and overplayed the "I'm sympathetic, help me" card. But in the end, every offer from a demon would be similar. It would always amount to "You can help me, you just need to let me in" in some form. Or "I can help you, just let me in." There's no real subtle way of saying that.
I guess that's why the abomination codex says that abominations are rare. Most people would look at that and see it for what it is.
So you are telling me that every mage including hawke and the warden who defeated strongest being in thedas sucks because they didn't fought meele?Well i agree that they suck but as i said mages are using magic to fight and that sucks in thedas and as far we didn't saw single mage that fights meele (outside perhaps protagonists and morrigan) neither from circle neither from tevinter nor from other cultures so sorry pal but that not circle thing...
So if you want scream that mages in circles aren't trained in fight they are if you want argue that mages sucks i agree...
What are you talking about? Mage Warden and Hawke and any mage companions have zero problems fighting in melee, I blast everyone who gets close right in the face with my spells at point blank all the time, most of the time they don't even have the time to land a swing that they have started before they freeze in place or blow up or eat a stone fist, or something in between. I LIKE going close to my enemies, it's easier to land a cone spell on a crowd that way.
You guys desperately need a "Deadliest Warrior" Thedasian spin-off to settle this emphatically.
you know, since they did Vampires vs Zombies, I think it would be fun if they went into the Dragon Age universe.
What are you talking about? Mage Warden and Hawke and any mage companions have zero problems fighting in melee, I blast everyone who gets close right in the face with my spells at point blank all the time, most of the time they don't even have the time to land a swing that they have started before they freeze in place or blow up or eat a stone fist, or something in between. I LIKE going close to my enemies, it's easier to land a cone spell on a crowd that way.
That's for exceptional individuals.
Trust me, actually fighting is very different. I studied martial arts when I was younger (and have since gotten out of the habit and out of shape.)
Don't underestimate how intimidating it is to see someone you know is better than you at close range charging at you, yelling at the top of their lungs. If you don't keep your focus or start panicking, you'll be an easy target to defeat.
Fighting is just as mental as it is physical. For a mage, I'm sure this is doubly true. Your average circle mage probably wouldn't be willing to wade into the thick of combat to more accurately cast a cold cone spell.
What are you talking about? Mage Warden and Hawke and any mage companions have zero problems fighting in melee, I blast everyone who gets close right in the face with my spells at point blank all the time, most of the time they don't even have the time to land a swing that they have started before they freeze in place or blow up or eat a stone fist, or something in between. I LIKE going close to my enemies, it's easier to land a cone spell on a crowd that way.
Yes they also survived 10 2-h swords attack during that 
gameplay spells hm...
Fighting is just as mental as it is physical. For a mage, I'm sure this is doubly true. Your average circle mage probably wouldn't be willing to wade into the thick of combat to more accurately cast a cold cone spell.
You know why? Because they are not trained for fighting, and they suck at it.
Yes they also survived 10 2-h swords attack during that
gameplay spells hm...
Yeah if both spells and swords killed from one hit, no warrior would ever stand a chance against any mage - by gameplay mechanics.
You know why? Because they are not trained for fighting, and they suck at it.
Exactly. In Origins, Broken Circle, you can find some notes on extracurricular activities. Mages were being trained with weapons like swords, staves, and were going through physical conditioning as a way to help burn out some excess energy since they were cooped up in a tower their whole lives, and the templars shut those classes down swiftly saying mages didn't need those skills. It wasn't Gregoire as the notes cite a different Knight-Commander, but it goes to show that mages are deliberately not taught how to fight effectively.
Yeah if both spells and swords killed from one hit, no warrior would ever stand a chance against any mage - by gameplay mechanics.
Yeah and that wasn't point...
You know why? Because they are not trained for fighting, and they suck at it.
They are triened to use magic to fight with others not my problem that magic sucks in da at least on short distance fight nor that tevinter mages are fighting melee so well....
Yeah and that wasn't point...
It is. If you treat both spells and mundane combat realistically no warrior stands a chance against a mage if said warrior is not an exceptional expert, but he wouldn't stand a chance against an exceptional battle mage.
It is. If you treat both spells and mundane combat realistically no warrior stands a chance against a mage if said warrior is not an exceptional expert, but he wouldn't stand a chance against an exceptional battle mage.
No it seems that templars in kirkwall took mages without anti-magic
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