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[Master Warder Z_]

You could argue at the end of Asunder the Divine would be the Neutral position.  Considering she was working to improve the situation for both sides.

 

Just a thought.

 

How the **** was she seeking to improve the Templar position?

 

Honestly curious here.

[TTTX]

It's usually one or the other if not all three.

 

Gaider said they didn't make a penny of the circle by the way.

So we agree I guess.

 

News to me.

[TTTX]

The fact that abominations and walking corpses are two separate entities in DA?

 

That's you're perspective and the interior of the circle looked pretty nice enough to me.

Do you see a mouth on them?

 

Should we agree to disagree then?

[wcholcombe]

How the **** was she seeking to improve the Templar position?

 

Honestly curious here.

By bringing them back in line with the true role of the order- to protect and watchover mages.

By restoring their humanity to them by weeding out some of the ultra hardliners who's mentality doesn't extend beyond "Mages are bad, umkay"

By seeking to bring a more even relationship that doesn't promote an us against them environment

By allowing moderates to come to positions of leadership rather then having them be isolated

 

Just a couple of ideas.

[DKJaigen]

I'm sorry i forgot that mages like being possessed, lynched and burned at the stake.

 

The circle protects mages from that.

 

That should be common law.

[Mistic]

How the **** was she seeking to improve the Templar position?

 

Honestly curious here.

 

By giving them less work to do!

 

By bringing them back in line with the true role of the order- to protect and watchover mages.

By restoring their humanity to them by weeding out some of the ultra hardliners who's mentality doesn't extend beyond "Mages are bad, umkay"

By seeking to bring a more even relationship that doesn't promote an us against them environment

By allowing moderates to come to positions of leadership rather then having them be isolated

 

Just a couple of ideas.

 

Those are beautiful words, but the thing is that the Templars still felt as the aggravated party. Theose things you've pointed out are "improvements" more valued by people outside the order than by themselves.

 

However, maybe Templars should realize that several of the perks they have enjoyed until now have been privileges more than rights. But that is another matter.

[DKJaigen]

It's military speculation you are trying to hoist, not fact.

 

It is fact during all periods of war . during the classical , medieval and the ww's their has not been a single army that functioned after 2 months after being cut of. if some army has that find them for me

[Master Warder Z_]

By giving them less work to do!

 

That seems about the truth of it...

[wcholcombe]

By giving them less work to do!

 

 

Those are beautiful words, but the thing is that the Templars still felt as the aggravated party. Theose things you've pointed out are "improvements" more valued by people outside the order than by themselves.

 

However, maybe Templars should realize that several of the perks they have enjoyed until now have been privileges more than rights. But that is another matter.

They weren't intended for the hardliners to like. I fully believe Justinia intended to root out the Lamberts and Meredith's of the order and replace them with Gregoires, Evangelines, and Eron.

[Master Warder Z_]

It is fact during all periods of war . during the classical , medieval and the ww's their has not been a single army that functioned after 2 months after being cut of. if some army has that find them for me

 

Your maintaining a speculative opinion that the Templars will be with out logistical support or basis, Your maintaining that despite it being pretty evident that there the circles under their control likely still possessed all their lyrium stockpiles, unless if the Mages decided to tote it with them on their way to the Reach.Also the Chu Luc or regular Army units of the North Vietnamese army, They often operated under severe logistical shortages and shortcomings in their war against South Vietnam and the United States.

[Master Warder Z_]

They weren't intended for the hardliners to like. I fully believe Justinia intended to root out the Lamberts and Meredith's of the order and replace them with Gregoires, Evangelines, and Eron.

 

Evangline is and was a traitor, not a moderate.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Evangline is and was a traitor, not a moderate.

Was? Why the past tense?

[wcholcombe]

Evangline is and was a traitor, not a moderate.

At the end yes, but throughout the majority of the book she was a moderate.

 

You could also argue that Lambert was a traitor to the order.  Not that I expect you to agree with that, but the argument could be made.

[Master Warder Z_]

Was? Why the past tense?

 

She died?

[Hellion Rex]

She died?

She's still alive...Faith only brought her back from the brink of death. I'm not sure if she actually died in full though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She died?

She got better. 

[Master Warder Z_]

She's still alive...Faith only brought her back from the brink of death. I'm not sure if she actually died in full though.

 

  If you call walking around with a spirit in your body as life anyway.

 

Point being, she was fatally incapacitated, aka past tense.

[Master Warder Z_]

She got better. 

 

Until next time anyway, bloody traitor.

[EmissaryofLies]

Evangline is and was a traitor, not a moderate.

 

Agreed. 

 

She reminds me of an earlier Lambert, before he was betrayed. 

[DKJaigen]

Your maintaining a speculative opinion that the Templars will be with out logistical support or basis, Your maintaining that despite it being pretty evident that there the circles under their control likely still possessed all their lyrium stockpiles, unless if the Mages decided to tote it with them on their way to the Reach.Also the Chu Luc or regular Army units of the North Vietnamese army, They often operated under severe logistical shortages and shortcomings in their war against South Vietnam and the United States.

 

False example the Chu lac where still supplied. The templars are dealing with a near total cut off from supplies. and its not only lyrium they have to worry about. Food money ,  medicine , arms and armor will also be running low very quickly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Until next time anyway, bloody traitor.

She is no more a traitor than Lambert. Here is a man thinking he should be both a Seeker and a Templar, thus betraying the check and balance system set up.

[EmissaryofLies]

She is no more a traitor than Lambert. Here is a man thinking he should be both a Seeker and a Templar, thus betraying the check and balance system set up.

 

And here is a Divine that would set mages loose upon Thedas. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And here is a Divine that would set mages loose upon Thedas. 

She supports the democratic process, at least. 

[Master Warder Z_]

False example the Chu lac where still supplied. The templars are dealing with a near total cut off from supplies. and its not only lyrium they have to worry about. Food money ,  medicine , arms and armor will also be running low very quickly.

 

That's you're position, not any statement of the Lore, And The regular army units of the Vietnamese Army were often in field operations for extended periods of time, you are likely confusing them for the Political entity/ Militia Army Viet Cong, While admittedly both factions ultimately benifited from the immense network of tunnels and supply routes used by them, The North Vietnamese Army as demostrated after the failure of the Tet Offensive, was capable of operating independent of logistical basis for more then "two" months.

 

If you are implying that an army exist off of it self with out taking to using the terrain around them however, they wouldn't apply.

 

You seem to be of the position they cannot maintain themselves with out Chantry support, it has nothing to support that within the Lore.

[TTTX]

And here is a Divine that would set mages loose upon Thedas. 

Since mages never hold the original vote, we never get know if they would be set lose as you call it