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[BronzTrooper]

... that Flemeth is the one who tore the Veil in DA:I?

 

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but to me it feels like she either tore the veil in DA:I, or she had a hand in it.  I mean, look at what she says to Hawke after you bring her amulet to the shrine on Sundermount.  She heavily implies that the world is going to be plunged into chaos, so she obviously knows something big is going to happen.  She also seemed to know that only the Warden in DA:O would be able to stop the Blight before Fereldan fell apart, hence why she saves them and Alistair.  I think that she has an ability to see into the future and/or she has been planning something.

 

Why would she save the Warden?  Well, I think she knew that the mage/Templar war was going to kick off in Kirkwall.  If there was a Blight, it would either delay, or stop it all together.

 

Why would she save Hawke's family?  I think she knew that without Hawke's influence, the mage/Templar war would never happen.  The smuggling her to the Free Marches in an amulet part was only a cover.

 

It makes sense for her to meticulously plan something like this, considering her character.  And since she seems to know what's coming, I think that she has a pretty big hand in it, otherwise she might try to prevent it to ensure her own survival.

 

What do you guys think?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I could see Flemeth and/or Morrigan as the cause because of all their similar talk about chaos and change in a positive light. My main reservation is that I don't know if they'd want to play that hand this early in the Dragon Age series. I think Flemeth will definitely be around pulling some strings, even if this isn't her big plan.

[DonaldFwump]

 

 

Why would she save Hawke's family?  I think she knew that without Hawke's influence, the mage/Templar war would never happen.  The smuggling her to the Free Marches in an amulet part was only a cover.

 

 

 

I think Flemeth definitely has some clairvoyance in the matters at hand, maybe she has some minor seer abilities?  Who knows for sure, but I don't necessarily think she has anything to do with the tears.  I don't think she's necessarily a good person, but I wouldn't also say she's maniacally evil either.  I think she has her own goals and intentions for a larger purpose that we're not quite aware of yet, but you could be right.  As for the bolded part, I wouldn't say this was so much a cover as this sets up Flemeth to live no matter what, even if she was "killed" by the Warden, allowing her story to continue.  If you remember, she mentioned "If I know my Morrigan she's already done it" and "I had an appointment to keep."  Morrigan even states in Origins that she doesn't believe Flemeth is fully defeated, just that body.  Which again all comes back to her being at least somewhat able to see into the future .

 

Edit:  Imagine the uproar if in the next DA game or the one after that (DA5), Flemeth shows up and the story revolves entirely around her, and without the amulet in DA2 to show her coming back to life, all we get is "The Warden didn't REALLY kill her   ," response from the writers.  The screams would be heard from space about the "Retconning" of their warden's decision to kill Flemeth in Origins.

[GVulture]

From what Morrigan and Sandal said, if it is anyone OTHER than Flemeth... I will eat my hat. Not that I own any.

 

 

'Tis Flemeth you should beware of, not me. Hunt her, if you hunt anyone. I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... she is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. Change is coming to the world. Many fear change, and will fight it with every fibre of their being. But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free.

[RevanFlame]

I doubt she had a direct handing in doing it. While she may have been able to see that the events would unfold, she doesn't seem the type to cause it. From what we know of Flemeth, she has been around for a very long time, but she rarely shows up outside of legend. She seems to do things mostly to slate her own curiosity, or to occasionally set people on certain paths to see what happens.

 

To me at least, Flemeth is an observer. She likes to see what happens, to put a small hand in matters and see how it shapes events. She doesn't seem like the type to put the world in peril, as it involves too much outside interference from her, and could lead to the end of her watching. Now if Flemeth is involved in why the Inquisitor survives the tearing of the Veil (much like she saved the Warden and Hawke), i would not be surprised at all. Another small interference, to see what becomes of it.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Flemeth doesn't strike me as anything other then wanting to stay alive.

lets face it she as powerful as all **** but does nothing but hide.

 

from what we saw Flemeth new about the blight took measures to defeat it, why because it was a threat to her as well.

new about Hawke and kirkwall....................Used it as a way to keep herself alive. why? because she new the warden and morrigan had come to kill her. 

 

and morrigan and all of flemeth's other children existed for no reason other then flemeth to live

hiding in the wilds = staying alive.

 

the only reason for flemeth to rip the veil is so she can live,she doesnt display any desire to ruke or take over.

[Mister Gusty]

While entirely possible I doubt it/hope not, 

 

I kinda see her as the type of  character that doesn't directly interact with conflicts and major events but rather gives counsel and assistance to tip the scales one way or another, but that's not to say I think she is a good

 

Also I think it would be a bit too obvious to make her the big bad, perhaps it might appear she is at first but then we realise we had it all wrong 

[DonaldFwump]

From what Morrigan and Sandal said, if it is anyone OTHER than Flemeth... I will eat my hat. Not that I own any.

 

'Tis Flemeth you should beware of, not me. Hunt her, if you hunt anyone. I thought I knew what Flemeth planned. I thought what she craved was immortality. And yet I was wrong. So very wrong. She is no blood mage, no abomination... she is not even truly human. The ritual was but a means to an end, a herald for what is to come. Change is coming to the world. Many fear change, and will fight it with every fibre of their being. But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free.

 

You actually bring up a good point, and I forgot about the whole Sandal thing.  Though I never really interacted with him in DA2 until my last play through like a month ago, and I definitely got the impression that he might have been sent by Flemeth.  Not sure exactly why.  Though I do love, now knowing where Inquisition will take place and some of the matters it covers, that Sandal and Bodahn happen to go to Orlais to work with Celene.  Still, I'm not 100% convinced that Flemeth is the big bad…guess we'll see.

[GVulture]

You actually bring up a good point, and I forgot about the whole Sandal thing.  Though I never really interacted with him in DA2 until my last play through like a month ago, and I definitely got the impression that he might have been sent by Flemeth.  Not sure exactly why.  Though I do love, now knowing where Inquisition will take place and some of the matters it covers, that Sandal and Bodahn happen to go to Orlais to work with Celene.  Still, I'm not 100% convinced that Flemeth is the big bad…guess we'll see.

Whoops. I forgot to mention Sandal's "Scary Lady with the scary laugh."

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think, if it is Flemeth, her plan wont really be objectively evil. I think we'll find out there's a duality in taking down the veil. It's easy to think on initial impression that only bad things will come of it, but I don't get the impression Flemeth will ever be an easily categorized good/bad character. If she's responsible, there's probably another side to look at. We know Yavana says the veil didn't exist once, so the question is where it came from and why, if she's right. 

[GVulture]

• Sandal: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.
• Bodahn: Huh. What's this?
• Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.
• Bodahn: By the ancestors, what's gotten into you, my boy?
• Sandal: Enchantment?
• Bodahn: Hmph. That's more like it.

[mikeymoonshine]

Tbh I would be disappointed if after all this time she just turns out to be a villain. It seems really obvious to do that. 

 

No I don't want her to turn out to be a hero either, I want her to have her own agenda and if we ever do find out what it is I want it to be debatable as to whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. Maybe your character can decide to help or go against her in this game or even in one down the line. 

 

I feel the same with Morrigan, maybe she will oppose Flemeth or maybe not and maybe you will have to chose to side with one of them (or neither) idk. 

 

If not then I would rather she just remains mysterious. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Maybe if it is Flemeth she is trying to enact this "change" people keep talking about. 

[DonaldFwump]

Whoops. I forgot to mention Sandal's "Scary Lady with the scary laugh."

 

Ah yes!  That's why I thought Sandal at least knows of Flemeth.  Thanks

 

 

• Sandal: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.
• Bodahn: Huh. What's this?
• Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.
• Bodahn: By the ancestors, what's gotten into you, my boy?
• Sandal: Enchantment?
• Bodahn: Hmph. That's more like it.

 

 

Yeah I remember this, which is why I didn't think it was Flemeth since it mentions "he rises."  Could be open to interpretation I'm sure.  Also a nice little nugget after having learned about the veil tears in Inquisiton and saying "so THAT'S what Sandal was referring to."  Good to know they have a plan they're following

[Dominus]

I'm iffy on the theory. The woman of many years often speaks vaguely or in riddles, so it's difficult to tell what she is/isn't involved in. By what means would someone, even of Flemeth's abilities, be able to cause a planetwide tear?

I would be disappointed if after all this time she just turns out to be a villain./No I don't want her to turn out to be a hero either.

I'll agree as well. Her interests and choices hardly fall in the clear-cut lines of good and evil, and I'd assume they'd write her in the same way throughout the series.

[GVulture]

Ah yes!  That's why I thought Sandal at least knows of Flemeth.  Thanks

 

 

Yeah I remember this, which is why I didn't think it was Flemeth since it mentions "he rises."  Could be open to interpretation I'm sure.  Also a nice little nugget after having learned about the veil tears in Inquisiton and saying "so THAT'S what Sandal was referring to."  Good to know they have a plan they're following

I see it as Flemeth trying to resurrect or free whoever "he" is. But I definitely see her as the reason for a lot of dramas in Inqusition.

[Damate]

I personally hope Flemeth makes appearances but remains mysterious/ambiguous for a few more games to come... If only because I really don't want to have to off her! ^.^

That said, Gamermd from YouTube had some interesting theories involving plot lines from the SIlent Grove series of comics and Flemeth. I'm not sure if I want her speculations to be right but it'd be interesting if it turns out she's on to something I can certainly think of worse plot lines at least.

[Swaggerjking]

I see it as Flemeth trying to resurrect or free whoever "he" is. But I definitely see her as the reason for a lot of dramas in Inqusition.

She might be trying resurrect her lover who sold her to connabar though this is kinda cliche

[Killdren88]

She might be trying resurrect her lover who sold her to connabar though this is kinda cliche

My wager was that or Dumat considering what we found in Legacy.

 

Or maybe the twist will be that Felmeth's Lover was Dumat simply in Mortal form.

 

My prediction anyway.

[Han Shot First]

I think the big bad is either going to be Flemeth or Morrigan.