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[Master Warder Z_]

No, because they worsened upon moving to Kirkwall. Wynne had similar issues but got better.

 

Still present with out that stimulus though.

[Xilizhra]

Still present with out that stimulus though.

We'd already established that. What hadn't been established, and still is not, was the debilitating aspect.

[Master Warder Z_]

We'd already established that. What hadn't been established, and still is not, was the debilitating aspect.

 

You figure having omnipresent demonic influence invading a mage's skull every time they slept would be enough of an issue regardless of severity, its still something they need go through every single night.

[Xilizhra]

You figure having omnipresent demonic influence invading a mage's skull every time they slept would be enough of an issue regardless of severity, its still something they need go through every single night.

And something that the vast majority evidently give no craps about. Even the obviously timid ones, even the psycho self-hating apprentice.

[Corker]

I wouldn't mind agreeing to let a demon possess you as a non-standard game over.

 

I reaaaaally wanted mage!Hawke to be able to flip out and get possessed at the end of DA2.  Not as the only ending, of course, but having the option to finally succumb to the madness of Kirkwall and go out as a raving monster would have made for a keen dark ending.

[Lulupab]

I reaaaaally wanted mage!Hawke to be able to flip out and get possessed at the end of DA2.  Not as the only ending, of course, but having the option to finally succumb to the madness of Kirkwall and go out as a raving monster would have made for a keen dark ending.

 

They can introduce a dark ending where Inquisitor dies at the end and if mage he/she can become possessed instead of dying. But it has to be in the end though.

[wcholcombe]

Are we debating the risk of possession for all mages or the snowflakes such as Inquisitor, Hawke and Warden? If its the latter then my point still stands and possession is a minor threat.

 

The risk of possession is there but the more smart and powerful the mage the lesser the risk to the point that it becomes insignificant. 

Really?  Cause Uldred was a pretty powerful mage and how did that work out for him? Magister Calanthus as well sacrificed 33 slaves and in a spell and only succeeded in making himself an abomination so terrible his apprentices tore out their own eyes. Then there is the story of our good friend Wynne who I would say is a fairly powerful mage, who put it point blank, you have to always be on your guard, one slip up and all you are is gone, replaced by madness.

 

First, I think that regular magic is also capable of tearing the veil, although a lot harder feat to achieve than with blood magic.

Second, just because blood magic can be used for such feats, doesn't make it inherently more demon attracting. 

The fact that a knife can be used for killing doesn't mean that people who own a knife are more prone to becoming murderers. 

I never said blood magic attracts demons or anything about that.  I said it weakens the veil through opening it to summon demons.  So far the lore has illustrated that one of the primary dangers of blood magic is its ability to open the veil.  Every time  you poke a hole in something you theoretically weaken it.  The Magister Lords of old used blood magic to enter the fade, not lyrium.  Telling when you consider at the time the dwarves were basically selling them all the lyrium they could use.  Also, in the lore, the summoning of demons is only done through blood magic.

[Master Warder Z_]

And something that the vast majority evidently give no craps about. Even the obviously timid ones, even the psycho self-hating apprentice.

 

Really? Seems to be that every one who mentions it, is of the mind its dangerous, its a nightly peril, whatever you want to call it. Wynne herself said all it takes is one mistake and you fail, And this is a daily occurrence for them, You may not view it as a dangerous situation but i do given the regularity.

[Tevinter Soldier]

You figure having omnipresent demonic influence invading a mage's skull every time they slept would be enough of an issue regardless of severity, its still something they need go through every single night.

 

it doesn't happen every night, Granted it could. BUT SO CAN ANY OTHER PERSON.

anybody can be attack by demons in the fade, its just that a mage is far and away more likely to attract said demon.

theirs not demons waiting to attack EVERY MAGE, EVERY TIME THEY FALL ASLEEP.

 

a lot of people try and understate the risk mages face, I'll give you that but your overstating the risk infinitely.

from what we have seen re-occuring events like Wynne and Oranna are rare.

they also occurred as children before they were properly trained in how to deal with such attacks.

[Lulupab]

Really?  Cause Uldred was a pretty powerful mage and how did that work out for him? Magister Calanthus as well sacrificed 33 slaves and in a spell and only succeeded in making himself an abomination so terrible his apprentices tore out their own eyes. Then there is the story of our good friend Wynne who I would say is a fairly powerful mage, who put it point blank, you have to always be on your guard, one slip up and all you are is gone, replaced by madness.

 

 

My conversation was with Warder therefore my previous comment was continued. Uldred lost the battle with pride demon, so did Magister Calanthus. Its like the protagonist lost the battle with a demon. We simply reload the game but there is no saying the mage protagonist did not became an abomination in that scenario. I don't need an old nagging woman's advice to know it takes "one slip". So far either the mage was weak and in "help me please, anyone, ANYONE" mood or they lost the fight with the demon and got overwhelmed. There was no "one slip" scenario. Of course I'm not counting willing possession. A strong mage who can defeat demons is very unlikely to become an abomination. 

 

There have been no possession of mages in their dreams who passed their harrowing so far, its easy to conclude the harrowing makes them completely prepared for future confrontations and limiting their risk of possession to waking world.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Just one that I've heard World of thedas says that abominations are rare and usually only occur when a weak mage enters the fade.

I really must get that book!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Just one that I've heard World of thedas says that abominations are rare and usually only occur when a weak mage enters the fade.

I really must get that book!

 

damn if wot says that i rly have to start question it as reality and events to that point show otherwise...

[Xilizhra]

Really? Seems to be that every one who mentions it, is of the mind its dangerous, its a nightly peril, whatever you want to call it. Wynne herself said all it takes is one mistake and you fail, And this is a daily occurrence for them, You may not view it as a dangerous situation but i do given the regularity.

Yes, but it necessitates a pretty damned big mistake. I mean, IRL, you can do something like have sex with the wrong person and then die of AIDS, or step on the wrong nail and die of tetanus, but neither one is at all likely if you practice due caution. And the fact that practically no one mentions it (no one at all except Wynne, really, and then only in a somewhat in-depth conversation) leads to believe that, unlike templar surveillance or imprisonment in the Circle or just the concept of being possessed in more extraordinary circumstances, all of which are brought up, it is not a terribly prominent idea in mage culture and not one that most mages spend much time worrying about.

[Tevinter Soldier]

damn if wot says that i rly have to start question it as reality and events to that point show otherwise...

 

I haven't read it so can't confirm it, page 172 apparently. 

I've ordered from my book shop as the only people that deliver books out my way are toll express and those expletives messed upon too many times to be trusted.

[wcholcombe]

I haven't read it so can't confirm it, page 172 apparently. 

I've ordered from my book shop as the only people that deliver books out my way are toll express and those expletives messed upon too many times to be trusted.

Thats the bestiary writeup which isn't exactly accurate.  It also says the littany of Andralla can reverse possession, which isn't the case.

[TheLastArchivist]

You can play as a mage and even become a  blood mage. My question is why not make a deal with a demon or good fade spirit you become like Flemeth or Anders. I mean Wynne, Anders was a whiny ******. That's beside the point, the point is what if you could become an abomination. What does everyone else think?

I have lots of reservations when it comes to making deals with demons in DA. To me, demonic possession is not even a kind of magic. It's simply allowing another entity to take control of your body.

 

That cannot even be called blood magic. Blood magic is a means to demonic possession, but not it by definition. A blood mage does several rituals and cast spells that go much beyond using the powers of a demon.

 

Demons don't have any kind of amazing supernatural power. They do have SOME power, but I don't believe for a second that it makes as much of a difference to the mage's abilities as they claim. One has to remember a demon is essentially a being that can sense all your desires. Once he knows what you want, but can't have, he will tell you whatever lies he can concoct in order to convince you to let him inside your soul.

 

Therefore, a mage that accepts the word of a demon is being naive. He'll not become stronger. Just allow the demon to see the real world through his eyes, that's all. How many abominations don't the Warden and Hawke strike dead? And how many of those mages didn't think they would become nearly invincible with the aid of a demon?

 

What's more, the process is irreversible. You practically become a slave of another entity for your entire life, doing things you can't remember (most of them terrible crimes, even against loved ones) until you slowly lose all your willpower. That's when the mage has fully become one with the demon and will give in to the sole desire to kill and destroy.

 

An abomination can only have one end, whether it believes it or not...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Thats the bestiary writeup which isn't exactly accurate.  It also says the littany of Andralla can reverse possession, which isn't the case.

That would explain a lot i knew that was fake statement

[Lotion Soronarr]

 

Demons don't have any kind of amazing supernatural power. They do have SOME power, but I don't believe for a second that it makes as much of a difference to the mage's abilities as they claim. One has to remember a demon is essentially a being that can sense all your desires. Once he knows what you want, but can't have, he will tell you whatever lies he can concoct in order to convince you to let him inside your soul.

 

Therefore, a mage that accepts the word of a demon is being naive. He'll not become stronger. Just allow the demon to see the real world through his eyes, that's all. How many abominations don't the Warden and Hawke strike dead? And how many of those mages didn't think they would become nearly invincible with the aid of a demon?

 

Per Word of God,demons do have amazing power and it does make a big difference.

 

But this is a game and you can defeat abominations for the same reason a dragon can chew on you, or sit on you, and you are still alive and can fight. For the same reason dragons don't just fly around out of the reach of you puny weapons and burns you alive.

 

Because it's a mage and you MUST win the fight.

[Lotion Soronarr]

As anyone is at risk of getting hit by a car whenever they step into the street.

 

 

Why bother with a QTE for this? Just have a solo fight.

 

Because fighting a demon in physical form is cheap. And it turns a mental battle into a physical one. Not to mention all those PHYSICAL items tend to help you, when they shouldn't matter at all in the Fade/dream/mind.

Also, a combat-specced mage would be far too easy.

So far I have seen absolutely nothing indicating that your battle prowess makes you better at resisting demons.

[Xilizhra]

Because fighting a demon in physical form is cheap. And it turns a mental battle into a physical one. Not to mention all those PHYSICAL items tend to help you, when they shouldn't matter at all in the Fade/dream/mind.

Also, a combat-specced mage would be far too easy.

So far I have seen absolutely nothing indicating that your battle prowess makes you better at resisting demons.

Define "cheap." And it's an abstraction, no different from the Harrowing. In any case, every mage is a combat mage, especially now when healing is apparently going to be rarer.

[Hellion Rex]

Define "cheap." And it's an abstraction, no different from the Harrowing. In any case, every mage is a combat mage, especially now when healing is apparently going to be rarer.

Well, even in the lore, Creation magic supposedly is much harder to master, hence the lack of numerous spirit healers. And when you mean rarer, do you mean when in combat/exploration in game?

[Xilizhra]

Well, even in the lore, Creation magic supposedly is much harder to master, hence the lack of numerous spirit healers. And when you mean rarer, do you mean when in combat/exploration in game?

I have no idea, I'm just echoing something I heard from somewhere else.

[Lulupab]

Because fighting a demon in physical form is cheap. And it turns a mental battle into a physical one. Not to mention all those PHYSICAL items tend to help you, when they shouldn't matter at all in the Fade/dream/mind.
Also, a combat-specced mage would be far too easy.
So far I have seen absolutely nothing indicating that your battle prowess makes you better at resisting demons.

 
When you confront the demon who possessed Connor power is everything. The winner gets it all where the loser gets jack ****. And that is the only time the protagonist can go toe to toe with a demon in the fade without any help. Also don't you find it fitting that Uldred fell to strongest of demon kind, a pride demon? Do you honestly think a sloth demon could possess Uldred? He would make sloth pasta out of it. Battle prowess is everything.

[ajramsey]

If my character can throw up pea soup then i am down with getting possessed by a demon.

 

other than that i think the idea is pretty interesting and if there was an option to be an abomination i would try it out to see what it was like but I would want my character to be more in control of herself than be controlled.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

  Also don't you find it fitting that Uldred fell to strongest of demon kind, a pride demon?

Speaking of, have we ever seen someone strong enough to resist a Pride Demon without assistance?