I have no idea, I'm just echoing something I heard from somewhere else.
Oh, I think they meant we just can't spam healing spells like we used to in the game, similar to how we can only bring so many potions out with us. The new healing spells will probably be much more powerful, but have a much longer cooldown.
Speaking of, have we ever seen someone strong enough to resist a Pride Demon without assistance?
Nope. We haven't seen anyone resist a creature of Pride.
I would want my character to be more in control of herself than be controlled.
Then avoid coming into a situation where your body can be dictated via an outside entity?
Nope. We haven't seen anyone resist a creature of Pride.
Thought so. Thanks for answering. 
That's a cool little piece of symbolism right there.
Really? Cause Uldred was a pretty powerful mage and how did that work out for him? Magister Calanthus as well sacrificed 33 slaves and in a spell and only succeeded in making himself an abomination so terrible his apprentices tore out their own eyes. Then there is the story of our good friend Wynne who I would say is a fairly powerful mage, who put it point blank, you have to always be on your guard, one slip up and all you are is gone, replaced by madness.
I never said blood magic attracts demons or anything about that. I said it weakens the veil through opening it to summon demons. So far the lore has illustrated that one of the primary dangers of blood magic is its ability to open the veil. Every time you poke a hole in something you theoretically weaken it. The Magister Lords of old used blood magic to enter the fade, not lyrium. Telling when you consider at the time the dwarves were basically selling them all the lyrium they could use. Also, in the lore, the summoning of demons is only done through blood magic.
Uldred is a lesser example, though. He actively used a demon, and the kind the Circle acknowledges as the worst sort at that. That seems like it would be more dangerous than most blood magic.
Speaking of, have we ever seen someone strong enough to resist a Pride Demon without assistance?
No, not that we have seen many Pride demons. It has happened but with assistance like in Feynriel's case. How powerful a demon can be is not exactly known. So far the strongest "abomination" revealed in lore is in Ander's short story, a squad of Templars, people who train for years to counter magic, exploding to a single spell and having complete immunity to physical harm. Its not right but it is canon until Bioware claims otherwise. That said there are 2 stronger spirits than Justice, Faith and Hope. So are spirits stronger than demons in general or what? I remember reading somewhere Spirits of hope are strongest entities of the fade and almost always ignore mortals unless they witness something that truly cannot be ignored. Its said that when a mage dwells on a spirit of Hope's domain in the fade it will be a nice and sweet dream because no demon dares to wander around a spirit of hope's domain.
My point is its very soon to judge. We don't even know if spirits and demons have personalities and the sorting we have of how powerful they are can be completely false for all we know. More so because we have been promised to see a new kind of demon in DA:I, perhaps despair?
That would explain a lot i knew that was fake statement
I remember the Codex saying the Litany of Adralla couldn't do that, actually.
Demons don't have any kind of amazing supernatural power. They do have SOME power, but I don't believe for a second that it makes as much of a difference to the mage's abilities as they claim. One has to remember a demon is essentially a being that can sense all your desires. Once he knows what you want, but can't have, he will tell you whatever lies he can concoct in order to convince you to let him inside your soul.
Therefore, a mage that accepts the word of a demon is being naive. He'll not become stronger. Just allow the demon to see the real world through his eyes, that's all. How many abominations don't the Warden and Hawke strike dead? And how many of those mages didn't think they would become nearly invincible with the aid of a demon?
The Warden and Hawke are special snowflakes. Just because they kill something easily doesn't mean it's easy to kill. (Not that we can assume the real Hawke did anything as easily as Varric represents.) As for demons not having incredible power, play through the Redcliffe or Broken Circle arcs again. Pretty much everything that wasn't the PC is completely helpless against them. (Which, you know, is rather the point of the game.)
I remember the Codex saying the Litany of Adralla couldn't do that, actually.
As far as I know if timed right Litany can stop the mage from becoming possessed while its happening but its too late after its done.
As far as I know if timed right Litany can stop the mage from becoming possessed while its happening but its too late after its done.
It can break blood magic domination over the Mind, Which is what Uldred was attempting to when he "offered" his gift in the battle.
Using blood magic to force the Mages to accept demons into their bodies.
What i gathered from the scene anyway.
As far as I know if timed right Litany can stop the mage from becoming possessed while its happening but its too late after its done.
I think that's what it said, yeah. The Codex can't be taken as gospel, which I think is a nice touch as far as the setting's realism (since what in this world can be taken as gospel?) but here I think it's correct.
No, not that we have seen many Pride demons. It has happened but with assistance like in Feynriel's case. How powerful a demon can be is not exactly known. So far the strongest "abomination" revealed in lore is in Ander's short story, a squad of Templars, people who train for years to counter magic, exploding to a single spell and having complete immunity to physical harm. Its not right but it is canon until Bioware claims otherwise. That said there are 2 stronger spirits than Justice, Faith and Hope. So are spirits stronger than demons in general or what? I remember reading somewhere Spirits of hope are strongest entities of the fade and almost always ignore mortals unless they witness something that truly cannot be ignored. Its said that when a mage dwells on a spirit of Hope's domain in the fade it will be a nice and sweet dream because no demon dares to wander around a spirit of hope's domain.
My point is its very soon to judge. We don't even know if spirits and demons have personalities and the sorting we have of how powerful they are can be completely false for all we know. More so because we have been promised to see a new kind of demon in DA:I, perhaps despair?
While true, I think Pride is still going to be the strongest, simply because it is the strongest 'negative' attribute we have. Nobody is immune to it. Plus their super strong version the Greater Pride Demons are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they are able to cross.
While true, I think Pride is still going to be the strongest, simply because it is the strongest 'negative' attribute we have. Nobody is immune to it. Plus their super strong version the Greater Pride Demons are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they are able to cross.
Well, they have said that spirits of hope are supposedly some of the strongest spirits, and despair would be their natural counterpart, so we might encounter a demon type that is on par with Pride in terms of strength.
Well, they have said that spirits of hope are supposedly some of the strongest spirits, and despair would be their natural counterpart, so we might encounter a demon type that is on par with Pride in terms of strength.
We'll find out. Personally I think Pride should remain the strongest.
While true, I think Pride is still going to be the strongest, simply because it is the strongest 'negative' attribute we have. Nobody is immune to it. Plus their super strong version the Greater Pride Demons are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they are able to cross.
Justice/Vengeance: "All of you foul demons will Feel Justice's burn!"
Greater Pride Demon: "Insolent little spirit! I shall crush you into the either!"
J/V: "Wait? What?! No, no that wasn't addressed to you! Why are you even here?!
GPD: "I heard that an annoying spirit was wandering the fade spewing nonsense and i sought to correct it on...who truly will feel the burn."
*Justice is then burnt down cinders only to be reformed and burnt down again*
50 mortal years later
*Justice is still being burnt to a crisp only to be reformed and the process repeated*
GPD: "i grow weary of this...Little wisp flee, and speak not again of "Justice".
*Wisp flees as rapidly as its pathetic wisp body can move itself*
While true, I think Pride is still going to be the strongest, simply because it is the strongest 'negative' attribute we have. Nobody is immune to it. Plus their super strong version the Greater Pride Demons are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they are able to cross.
I dunno. I think the need for revenge against one who wrongs you might be the strongest. Which would explain why Anders has PC levels of strength, I suppose.
I dunno. I think the need for revenge against one who wrongs you might be the strongest. Which would explain why Anders has PC levels of strength, I suppose.
Meh, I didn't find Justice to be that strong. Faith seemed much more powerful, and also I believe Pride trumps him.
Meh, I didn't find Justice to be that strong. Faith seemed much more powerful, and also I believe Pride trumps him.
Except in Asunder.
Hmm....Hope and Despair would be pretty strong, but would also likely be a kin to rage in their capacity to see clearly.
Honor would be an interesting spirit. Driven entirely by honor, willing to do despicable things in the defense of or the seeking of honor. That would be a powerful spirit, while on the surface seems like a benevolent spirit, may actually be one of the harshest in existence.
Honor would be an interesting spirit. Driven entirely by honor, willing to do despicable things in the defense of or the seeking of honor. That would be a powerful spirit, while on the surface seems like a benevolent spirit, may actually be one of the harshest in existence.
The PC should meet an Honor spirit 
I want to debate Lawful evil and it's "concept" of honor with one.
Except in Asunder.
Hmm....Hope and Despair would be pretty strong, but would also likely be a kin to rage in their capacity to see clearly.
Honor would be an interesting spirit. Driven entirely by honor, willing to do despicable things in the defense of or the seeking of honor. That would be a powerful spirit, while on the surface seems like a benevolent spirit, may actually be one of the harshest in existence.
I would like to see a spirit of Mercy. I feel that one such as that could be potentially powerful.
However, Honor sounds like an interesting one as well.
Meh, I didn't find Justice to be that strong. Faith seemed much more powerful, and also I believe Pride trumps him.
It seems spirits and demons can change in power and outgrew those powerful than than them if they change. For example a rage demon which is quite weak can become on par with desire demon if it focuses on anger in order to take retribution so I also believe Vengeance made Justice much stronger otherwise spirits of faith are generally stronger than Justice.
Except in Asunder.
Hmm....Hope and Despair would be pretty strong, but would also likely be a kin to rage in their capacity to see clearly.
Honor would be an interesting spirit. Driven entirely by honor, willing to do despicable things in the defense of or the seeking of honor. That would be a powerful spirit, while on the surface seems like a benevolent spirit, may actually be one of the harshest in existence.
I think Justice is currently the harshest spirit. Apparently all spirits of Justice are like the one we met, they will stop at nothing to uphold their name. Justice demands retribution.
Vengeance was indeed stronger than your normal Justice entity. However, I still think Wynne's Faith is still much stronger. It managed to resurrect both Wynne and Evangeline, as well as smack down an upper level Pride demon in its own domain.It seems spirits and demons can change in power and outgrew those powerful than than them if they change. For example a rage demon which is quite weak can become on par with desire demon if it focuses on anger in order to take retribution so I also believe Vengeance made Justice much stronger otherwise spirits of faith are generally stronger than Justice.
Vengeance was indeed stronger than your normal Justice entity. However, I still think Wynne's Faith is still much stronger. It managed to resurrect both Wynne and Evangeline, as well as smack down an upper level Pride demon in its own domain.
Well if a spirit of faith becomes corrupted it becomes pride so it is indeed strong. However Justice did not grant Anders any healing or "support" magic. The healing came from Anders himself. Justice spirits are more on offense rather than healing or resurrecting etc... We can't really argue who was stronger as there is simply very little evidence but Justice's powers were demonstrated more. Faith helped Wynne defeat a desire demon and that is it. I personally cannot wait to see how Evangelina does with spirit but I don't have high hopes as she is not a mage.
Also this is why spirits of Hope are strongest entities of the fade because they are stronger than rest of the spirits and demons. Faith is on par with pride and Hope is stronger than faith therefore stronger than Pride.
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I never said blood magic attracts demons or anything about that. I said it weakens the veil through opening it to summon demons. So far the lore has illustrated that one of the primary dangers of blood magic is its ability to open the veil. Every time you poke a hole in something you theoretically weaken it. The Magister Lords of old used blood magic to enter the fade, not lyrium. Telling when you consider at the time the dwarves were basically selling them all the lyrium they could use. Also, in the lore, the summoning of demons is only done through blood magic.
It is capable of opening the fade if that is your direct intent, it's not what happens automatically. You can do that with lyrium as well, you just need a lot more. And yes magisters actually used lyrium as well when they entered black city. They used ulmost their whole lyrium supply and when that wasn't enough started to use blood of countless slaves and combined it all together into one massive spell.
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