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[Savyar]

Well, I never thought my question would generate this much discussion. 

So after reading through all of that I have a few things to say. 

 

Someone mentioned demons not making a mage more powerful when they posses them, but I have to say it depends on the demon. As we know for demons rage and hunger are the weakest sloth sits in the middle and some are powerful others are not (shambling corpse vs Sloth from the tower). Desire and pride demons are the strongest. Pride is generally stronger but there are some incredibly powerful desire demons. I would say most abominations are probably mages possessed by rage demons, or maybe hunger. Rage demons are a dimer a dozen and weak so those abominations are fairly weak and look like hell (heh). However haven't you noticed when you come across a pride or desire demon they can go between a human form or a demon form and they are powerful. 

 

When mages sleep they can be visited by demons in the form of nightmares but so can others mages just attract more demons. They can't be forcible taken over by a demon when dreaming (unless they are a somniari), however the constant nightmare or temptations or demons are the danger. After a while any mage could say yes to a demon if just to make it stop, this is probably why Orana became a tranquil. In the harrowing you enter the fade with lyruim so that the Templar can see if you can resist a demon when in the fade where the demon has an advantage.

 

As to my original question I think it would be interesting to make a deal with a demon and get  enough power to finish your quest and then the demon gets your body. or make a deal with a fade spirit that is not really good or bad... something like a spirit of Duty if such a spirit exists.  Hell an offer can be made to a warrior or rouge as well it's not like demons need to possess mages. Sophia dryden was possessed by a powerful demon... Though, I am not entirely sure if that was not just her corpse.

 

For any spelling and/or grammatical errors I am sorry. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Baby blue sweater. Faded tight jeans, long flowing hair, no mustache, two stahbucs.....I am become the Abomination. 

[LobselVith8]

Oh, I think they meant we just can't spam healing spells like we used to in the game, similar to how we can only bring so many potions out with us. The new healing spells will probably be much more powerful, but have a much longer cooldown.

 

I can see that being implemented, as opposed to the removal of a mage protagonist or companion being able to heal an ally or their own health.

[sunnydxmen]

Flemeth is not an abomination duh.

[sunnydxmen]

The opposite of pride is humility so that would be the strongest good spirit.

[Lulupab]

The opposite of pride is humility so that would be the strongest good spirit.

 

http://social.biowar...16960074/1&lf=8

 

Opposite of pride is faith, trusting others than yourself.

 

Also spirits of hope are stronger than faith already so they are the strongest Entities of the fade, not just among good spirits.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

http://social.biowar...16960074/1&lf=8

 

Opposite of pride is faith, trusting others than yourself.

 

Also spirits of hope are stronger than faith already so they are the strongest Entities of the fade, not just among good spirits.

So perhaps Spirits of Hope are what become the Greater Pride Demons. 

[General TSAR]

When I first saw this thread, I thought KainD was the author but it appears such insanity is not limited to only one person. 

[Dean_the_Young]

So perhaps Spirits of Hope are what become the Greater Pride Demons. 

 

Despair, I believe. Gaider's mentioned that the current demonic heirarchy known to Thedas is incomplete, and that the highest category of demon (for now) is probably Despair.

[KainD]

When I first saw this thread, I thought KainD was the author but it appears such insanity is not limited to only one person. 

 

Insanity is in the eye of the beholder. 

[Hellion Rex]

Despair, I believe. Gaider's mentioned that the current demonic heirarchy known to Thedas is incomplete, and that the highest category of demon (for now) is probably Despair.

I'd really like to experience a Despair demon in DAI. Now would be a really good time for it, as there's bound to be plenty of despair in Thedas at the moment.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Insanity is in the eye of the beholder. 

No, it's in yours.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Despair, I believe. Gaider's mentioned that the current demonic heirarchy known to Thedas is incomplete, and that the highest category of demon (for now) is probably Despair.

If so, that's stupid. How despair is stronger than pride in terms of negative atrribute I'll never understand. specially since GPD are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they crossed the Veil.

[Hellion Rex]

If so, that's stupid. How despair is stronger than pride in terms of negative atrribute I'll never understand. specially since GPD are thought to be capable of destroying the world if they crossed the Veil.

Remember where that codex is coming from though. It's coming from a senior enchanter, Bader. What are the odds that he actually *saw* a GPD, much less managed to survive such an encounter? It's entirely possible that there's an entire upper echelon of demonic entities that are on par with the GPD, Xebenkeck, the Formless One, etc., that no has ever seen before, much less survived. They probably reisde in the deepest parts of the Fade.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Remember where that codex is coming from though. It's coming from a senior enchanter, Bader. What are the odds that he actually *saw* a GPD, much less managed to survive such an encounter? It's entirely possible that there's an entire upper echelon of demonic entities that are on par with the GPD, Xebenkeck, the Formless One, etc., that no has ever seen before, much less survived. They probably reisde in the deepest parts of the Fade.

I fear we're going to get "Demons and Spirits who can destroy the world if they sneeze too hard" then. 

[Hellion Rex]

I fear we're going to get "Demons and Spirits who can destroy the world if they sneeze too hard" then. 

My guess is that these more powerful entities are either reside extremely deep within the Fade, or are perhaps locked away within a prison (perhaps even the Black City itself).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My guess is that these more powerful entities are either reside extremely deep within the Fade, or are perhaps locked away within a prison (perhaps even the Black City itself).

Possibly.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

i've just finished Asunder. i really should slap myself hard everytime i think about buying game-related book. but i guess i should stick to language/library references, user manuals and an ancient lovecraft/joyce/dick/mann/ibsen/insert something approperiate book once in a year or so (only to remember those basic concepts of storytelling)

 

on Eva-something person:

aren't templars military organisation? Maker, she has absolutely no sense of loyalty, no idea what chain of command is. does every decent/sane templar suffer from serious/incurable case of self-righteousness?

 

somewhat on topic:

being infused with spirit is the same as being abomination. spirits don't belong to real world. and i think the ideas which they represent become twisted, corrupted usually after crossing the Veil. unhealthy. Wynne certainly became more arrogant and proud than she was in DA:O. i have no idea what exactly Cole is, but it seems like some benevolent spirit was corrupted as well by Cole's thoughts/pain/suffering.

 

anyway... being abo/spirit infused is bad, m'kay? why would anyone want that?

[Hellion Rex]

Technicality, there is a difference between being spirit infused like Evangeline and an actual abomination like Wynne. Abominations can only be mages, as the demon/spirit has access to and can supercharge a mage's powers. As for Evangeline, she may become more like a Spirit Warrior, on top of having some more potent Templar abilities.

 

 

As for discussing Asunder, there is a thread for it on this subforum:

 

http://forum.bioware...poilers-within/

[Hanako Ikezawa]

on Eva-something person:

aren't templars military organisation? Maker, she has absolutely no sense of loyalty, no idea what chain of command is. does every decent/sane templar suffer from serious/incurable case of self-righteousness?

Evangeline is willing to risk everything to be with the man she loves. Yes, she knows absolutely nothing of loyalty at all. 

[74 Wrex]

Depends on what abomination in this thread mean
I don't think Anders and Wynne should be considered Abominations as their spirit did not possess them
Uldred and Connor are abominations because they were possessed by their demons
It would be great to be able to be a mage that has a spirit of faith, justice or fortitude or something like that but l say no to being a mage possessed by a demon

[Innsmouth Dweller]

@ Hinata Hyuga:

as eluvianix said, this is not the place to discuss Asunder chars. we are discussing Asunder's possesed chars, does it count as 'abomination' discussion?

anyhoo... i didn't get that she loved him. more like she was interested. and everything she did, she did because of giant stick of self-righteousness up her arse

i just find her unhealthly naive.

 

@74 Wrex:

Anders wasn't himself. he told on many ocasions him and Justice are one - Vengeance. and from what i understand vengeance is not really a good thing.

[74 Wrex]

@Skuld:
Good point even so Ander's spirit did not turn Anders into an abomination like how Uldred turn others into abomination form and Uldred transform into a pride demon

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I still wouldn't want to give up control of my PC to the game, even if it meant only graying out certain dialogue choices (if you're Justice, you don't make snarky comments. or something) 

 

although it was pretty awesome in SWotR, it wasn't permanent