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[KainD]

Hmm, I would only see this as an evil ending option a'la NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer

 

That was the best ending I've ever had in an RPG. 

[KainD]

In the fade, not really. I have yet to see a genuinely benevolent demon or a genuinely malevolent spirit who is not a demon.

 

It's not about it being benevolent malevolent, it's about it being benevolent to YOU, there's a big difference. 

[AresKeith]

It's not about it being benevolent malevolent, it's about it being benevolent to YOU, there's a big difference. 

 

Which is pretty much a trap that demons use

[KainD]

Why would mages want to leave their towers?

 

Please..

[KainD]

Which is pretty much a trap that demons use

 

Or not. 

[Grieving Natashina]

That was the best ending I've ever had in an RPG. 

That was the worst ending I've ever had in an RPG.  Oh goodie, I get to go eat worlds and have every god after me?  Plus being cursed with an eternal hunger for souls that can never be satiated?  And losing everything that made me as a person?  Oh yeah, sign me up. 

 

I actually preferred the NWN "evil" ending myself.  Something about turning all of your companions evil was much better.  The PC got to keep her/his mind, worked for but was not in thrall to the Shadow King and didn't have a lame mechanic to do it.

 

 

Which is pretty much a trap that demons use

Yeah, I think we've heard that one before...

[whogotsalami]

That was the best ending I've ever had in an RPG. 

Indeed, I devoted my entire playthrough (neutral evil dread necromancer) just to see this ending. It's amazing how it all connected together.

[EmissaryofLies]

More RP options are good.  Being forced into them is bad.  If folks want to become abominations, they should be able to.  Those that prefer to kill most abominations on sight should not have to be something they hate.

 

Emissary, you're living way way too much to your nickname today hun.

 

 

It's April Fools.

 

Warder's been lovin' my stuff today  . 

[Grieving Natashina]

It's April Fools.

 

Warder's been lovin' my stuff today  . 

I was just laughing at how many folks that don't know you well are taking you seriously today.  Warden knows better, but he's one of the regulars.

 

<hug> Hun, it's April Fool's not Opposite Day.  

[whogotsalami]

 

That was the worst ending I've ever had in an RPG.  Oh goodie, I get to go eat worlds and have every god after me?  Plus being cursed with an eternal hunger for souls that can never be satiated?  And losing everything that made me as a person?  Oh yeah, sign me up. 

 

I actually preferred the NWN "evil" ending myself.  Something about turning all of your companions evil was much better.  The PC got to keep her/his mind, worked for but was not in thrall to the Shadow King and didn't have a lame mechanic to do it.

 

 

Yeah, I think we've heard that one before...

 

I've just headcannoned that after the war with the gods, I made a bargain with Ao. In exchange for bringing me back to normal I'd become an exarch/lesser deity (since I've eaten Myrkul's soul maybe I'd have gained one of his portofilos?).

 

Headcannon is the best way

[Grieving Natashina]

I've just headcannoned that after the war with the gods, I made a bargain with Ao. In exchange for bringing me back to normal I'd become an exarch/lesser deity (since I've eaten Myrkul's soul maybe I'd have gained one of his portofilos?).

 

Headcannon is the best way

Er...<looks at her signature>   Fanfiction=headcanon written down.

 

Not always.  

[themikefest]

No thanks.

[KainD]

 

That was the worst ending I've ever had in an RPG.  Oh goodie, I get to go eat worlds and have every god after me?  Plus being cursed with an eternal hunger for souls that can never be satiated?  And losing everything that made me as a person?  Oh yeah, sign me up. 

 

You look at it from a sad perspective. It's the ultimate freedom, free from all restraints, from death, from gods, from worlds, free to do whatever you like, travel the plains, unstoppable. The hunger is no longer a hunger but a controlled part of you. You don't need to be a person anymore, you become so much more. 

[Grieving Natashina]

You look at it from a sad perspective. It's the ultimate freedom, free from all restraints, from death, from gods, from worlds, free to do whatever you like, travel the plains, unstoppable. The hunger is no longer a hunger but a controlled part of you. You don't need to be a person anymore, you become so much more. 

I'd rather be myself up until the day I die.  That isn't IC either, that's what I truly believe.  To each their own, but I could never sacrifice who and what I am for the sake of power.  

[KainD]

I'd rather be myself up until the day I die.  That isn't IC either, that's what I truly believe.  To each their own, but I could never sacrifice who and what I am for the sake of power.  

 

I never sacrificed anything, that IS who I am, that is the only way to be who I really am. It's not about power, it's about freedom. 

Through power I gain victory

Through victory my chains are broken

The force shall free me. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I never sacrificed anything, that IS who I am, that is the only way to be who I really am. It's not about power, it's about freedom. 

Through power I gain victory

Through victory my chains are broken

The force shall free me. 

Not much good if you're a mindless abomination sucking the souls out of anything you see.  A Sith can stay themselves, the Spirit Eater cannot. No life, no passion, no joy, no pain, no sorrow, no hope...not worth the cost.  

 

Someday you'll see that, both IC and as a person.  You're still young though, and have much to learn.  I do think you're a good person, just a little mixed up.

[KainD]

Not much good if you're a mindless abomination sucking the souls out of anything you see.  A Sith can stay themselves, the Spirit Eater cannot. No life, no passion, no joy, no pain, no sorrow, no hope...not worth the cost.  

 

Someday you'll see that, both IC and as a person.  You're still young though, and have much to learn.  I do think you're a good person, just a little mixed up.

 

I'm not interested in mindlessly sucking other peoples souls, I couldn't care less about them or their affairs, I merely have the option to, and have the power to fight back the Gods themselves and their order. All the life, passion and joy are there for me to explore in any way I see fit, without any limitations. I don't need pain, don't need sorrow and don't need hope, I have won, this is my happy ever after. 

 

Btw, in my head cannon ( with the help of some mods ) I wasn't alone as well. I actually had Qara as a romance, and she was at my side through all the hardships. I shared the freedom with her, and that was the greatest gift she could receive as well, as she always hated being under any sort of authority, and she became free form all of it, even the Gods, until the end of time. Srsly though, best ending best romance, I've ever had in an RPG. 

[renfrees]

Wynne isn't an abomination. By definition, an abomination is a mage possessed by a demon. She was possessed by a Spirit of Faith. 

Semantics.

 

And why would anyone want for Fade creature to control their will and body?

[Grieving Natashina]

Ew, Qara?    Um, okay.  I'd be too afraid that she'd try to set me on fire for looking at her funny, but if you like a bit of danger in your love making, then more power to you.

 

The Spirit Eater ending makes no bones about the fact that you are now a mindless husk going from world to world eating whatever crosses your path.  The gods hunt you across the planes, never allowing you to rest.   Forever hunted, forever alone.  No emotions, no aspirations, just Hunger Incarnate.  That was a very dull ending and almost as bad as the "Rocks Fall Everyone Dies" ending of the vanilla NWN2 campaign.

 

If you're going back to talking about abominations in Thedas, I still stand by much of what I said.  Losing yourself for the sake of more power is a Pyrrhic victory at best and a horrific defeat at worse.  In the end, you would still lose yourself and just become a shell.  You're no longer giving yourself power, you've just given it to the demon.  The demon would have to kill me before I'd ever let them take my mind and my body.

 

Most Spirits do not care for the realm of mortals, so I'm not too concerned about that happening very often.  Even then, I would be wary and approach the person with a lot of caution.  For every potential Wynne, there is also a potential Anders.

 

@Ren: I don't agree with you very often, but I feel exactly the same.

[renfrees]

Hah, spirits demons. It's like arguing about passion. You can love with passion or you can hate with passion, it is still passion nonetheless. At the core it remains the same, just applies at the different spectrums.

[KainD]

Ew, Qara?    Um, okay.  I'd be too afraid that she'd try to set me on fire for looking at her funny, but if you like a bit of danger in your love making, then more power to you.

 

The Spirit Eater ending makes no bones about the fact that you are now a mindless husk going from world to world eating whatever crosses your path.  The gods hunt you across the planes, never allowing you to rest.   Forever hunted, forever alone.  No emotions, no aspirations, just Hunger Incarnate.  That was a very dull ending and almost as bad as the "Rocks Fall Everyone Dies" ending of the vanilla NWN2 campaign.

 

If you're going back to talking about abominations in Thedas, I still stand by much of what I said.  Losing yourself for the sake of more power is a Pyrrhic victory at best and a horrific defeat at worse.  In the end, you would still lose yourself and just become a shell.  You're no longer giving yourself power, you've just given it to the demon.  The demon would have to kill me before I'd ever let them take my mind and my body.

 

Most Spirits do not care for the realm of mortals, so I'm not too concerned about that happening very often.  Even then, I would be wary and approach the person with a lot of caution.  For every potential Wynne, there is also a potential Anders.

 

@Ren: I don't agree with you very often, but I feel exactly the same.

 

Qara was the best. She was that one person that was always there for ME. She didn't go to defeat the shadow king because that's what she cared about, she did it for me, because I wouldn't be left alone so long as I am bound to the silver sword. She was at my side all my journey when I was a spirit eater not because she wanted some justice or had problems with the wall or Gods order, she was there for ME, because I was dying. There was nothing to argue about, no philosophy, no mundane conflicts, no morals, no greater goals in life. It was just us, our love, us against the world and anyone who would try and keep us apart.

And in the end, we made it, to freedom, to the point where we could be together forever, as our souls were ours to hold and not some Gods.  

And I was there for her always, for us. 

 

You should re-watch the spirit eater ending if you feel like it. It implies just freedom, you could do whatever you wanted to, the hunger doesn't weight you down anymore, it is just something you can use whenever you please. And the Gods hunt you for braking the natural order of life, and I eagerly wait for them to challenge me, bite the dust and fail, as they are powerless to dictate our life anymore. Emotions don't go anywhere, you are still you, the real you, your very soul is completely at your disposal. 

 

Onto Dragon age:

 

When making arrangements with the fade entities, it's important to understand what you are doing, and not losing yourself, but it is best to find an entity that agrees with you, agrees with your ways, that can benefit from your existence and passion, so that you both can be you, at the same time making each others existence more colorful. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Hah, spirits demons. It's like arguing about passion. You can love with passion or you can hate with passion, it is still passion nonetheless. At the core it remains the same, just applies at the different spectrums.

I see the difference and there is one.  I'm not sure if you read Asunder yet, but it does show the differences as well as the similarities more clearly.  At least it did for me.

 

 As my Warden said to Wynne, it comes down to action as well as intent.  Of course it's two sides to the same coin, but completely opposite ones.  I partially agreed with Merril: All spirits are dangerous.  I don't see spirits and demons as one in the same anymore than I consider day and night one in the same.  Sometimes though, shades of grey happen, such as with Cole and Justice.  Like a solar eclipse, where day and night are blended together.  It's extremely rare though.

 

@Kain Just no to a spirit eater.  I'm glad you found it liberating.  I found it terrible and sad.  We won't agree on this one.  Oh and name me one example, from anywhere in the EU or in the games, where a demon possessed mage (not one like Wynne) was still completely themselves.  

 

Take your time, I'll wait.

[KainD]

Oh and name me one example, from anywhere in the EU or in the games, where a demon possessed mage (not one like Wynne) was still completely themselves.  

 

Grace. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Grace. 

She wasn't possessed though, at least not until the very end (and every blood mage in Kirkwall became an abomination with the possible exception of Alain.)  As you yourself have stated time and time again. you don't have to be possessed to be a blood mage.

 

Try again.

[KainD]

She wasn't possessed though, at least not until the very end (and every blood mage in Kirkwall became an abomination with the possible exception of Alain.)  As you yourself have stated time and time again. you don't have to be possessed to be a blood mage.

 

Try again.

 

I believe she was possessed and asked the demon to give her power for her goals, and at the end she was so powerless that she gave the demon complete control over her so that perhaps the situation could be salvaged somehow. Aka Anders Justice mode.