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[renfrees]

It would be interesting to see how they will address this issue. Personally, i never gave him the shard because he was acting unstable even during that quest, now imagine what close proximity during the years would make out of him. Since Red Lyrium was a major plot-point to Meredith's degradation and they introduced raving mad Red Templars, it would be lame if they let this loose end just die out.

[Senya]

Each of my Hawkes felt that letting the idol shard exist was a terrible idea, let alone giving it to their closest friend

 

It'd be an interesting plot point for those who let him have it, though. It might not be pretty, though.

[Stelae]

I never gave Varric the shard my self, but if he utilized it as others have said to enhance Bianca, then I could see a plot point where we have to deal with Bianca singing to Varric and maybe even a small line dealing with the fall out of someone stealing the beloved crossbow.

Here's my highly idiosyncratic take on it, snipped from the thread about Varric's nose:

Well, remember that fragment of the idol that Hawke wouldn't let him keep?  Because of the obsession and the possession and whatall? 

 

Well, turns out, after Sandal had turned it into a rune, Varric pickpocketed Hawke for it, and installed it in Bianca as a love token.  And Bianca was thence possessed by an ancient and malign spirit, and (possibly unrelatedly) increasingly curious about what Isabella had said about a woman's touch on her trigger.  One day, able to contain her curiosity no longer, Bianca resolved to be free of Varric.  But she knew, if she were to succeed, it had to look like it had been Varric's idea. 

 

So, slowly at first, but increasingly frequently over a month or two, she would let a string snap.  Or her latch wouldn't lock.  Or one of her limbs wouldn't deploy.  But Varric wouldn't take the hint.  Eventually, in frustration, she detached the flight groove from her barrel completely, and the next Archer's Lance Varric tried to crit, the stock smashed full-force into his nose. 

 

As he came to, in his suite at the Hanged Man, he  finally realised he could never trust her again.  It was over between them.  He left her there, in tavern they had once made their own, the room paid for until the end of the month, and walked out without looking back. 

 

That's why he isn't with her in the trailers.  And it's also why sailors at the docks tell that in on the darkest of nights you might catch a glint of light off a crossbow out of the corner of your eye.  Turn to look, and the space will be empty.  But if you listen closely, and you are very lucky, you might hear the most beautiful song in Thedas, drifting towards you on the night wind.

 

And yes, this has everything to do with my wanting Varric as a LI;

Step 1: make sure he and Bianca are, at least, no longer exclusive.

Step 2: Bribe the writers

Step 3:  Profit!

[JimboGee]

I honestly dont think it matters all that much. he's in the game alive and well so clearly it didnt kill him.

[renfrees]

I honestly dont think it matters all that much. he's in the game alive and well so clearly it didnt kill him.

Well, then you can nullify any previous decision with that sentence. It's in the game, so it doesn't matter what you did before. Isn't it aspiring to know?

[Ap0crypha]

I always destroy the shard. In my Hawke's (and my) opinion, nothing good can come from red lyrium. I mean, it's hinted to have twisted the dwarves into the Primevals, it drives people insane, and it turned Meredith to stone.

 

That said, I seriously hope this is addressed. Maybe not so much in that "keeping the evil shard was a good thing because it's the only thing that can save the world", but like, having it around leads to a better understanding of red lyrium and gives the Inquisitor knowledge they wouldn't have had otherwise. Sort of like how in ME3 you could only save Eve if you kept Maelon's research.

[CannotCompute]

Has it been mentioned at all if giving Varric the shard will have any affect (effect?) on Varric in Inquisition? As much as I love Varric, and how it would break my heart, I'd absolutely love it if at some point he just snapped, turning on the Inquisitor somehow.

So has it been mentioned? And what are thoughts on it?

 

Varric becomes a flying Dwarf with an out of control sense of humor?

[Exaltation]

Varric's awesome personality renders the Idol's "madness effect" useless,the long exposure to the Idol causes him to obtain magical abilities similar to Templars/Fenris,and with the help of Dagna and Sandal possibly becoming the first Dwarf Mage.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

It's obvious what will happen if you give Varric the shard. 

 

After three painful years of exposure, the shard goes insane, and starts hearing whispers of the dwarf with an abundance of chest hair.

[siphernin]

If he kept Bartrand alive, maybe he found a way to use the shard to cure him of the madness.  Something like snake venom and anti-venom.  Otherwise, maybe he found himself going down that road and he threw the shard away.

 

It could also be that since we found all this out during Varrec's telling of the story to Cassandra that the Seekers took it from Varrec.  Who knows what they did to him before he wound up in that chair telling a story.  *cough* Cansandra running her hands through his chest hair *cough*

[Lotion Soronarr]

Assuming the game takes place in 9:40 Dragon, it really should have an impact if he augments his weapon with the idol. Think about this: three years with red lyrium seems to be the point where you go craycray. Bartand got the idol in 9:31 and sold it sometime in 9:34. Meredith then had it for 3 years and I assume only had it on her person for two of those years considering (if I remember correctly) she used a normal sword in Act 2's finale.

 

Are you sure?

 

I was under impression he sold it shortly after returning from the expedition.

 

It didn't take Hawke and Varric 3 years to get back and confront him. More like a few months, tops. And by that time he already sold it.
 

[Cylan Cooper]

Bartrand was nowhere to be found by the time Hawke, Varric, and company got out of the Deep Roads. Varric suspected he fled to Rivain and it's only during Act 2 that Varric realized he was back in Kirkwall. Additionally, I got the impression from the servant in the mansion that he only recently sold it at the time of Act 2.

[Gervaise]

My previous post seems to have got lost in the ether but if you have seen it then apologies for repetition.

 

It seems to me that the lyrium idol enhances what is already there.   Both Bartrand and Meredith are obsessive characters and this just makes their mental state worse.   Bear in mind that Meredith is probably already a bit flakey through prolonged use of lyrium and Varric mentions how upset Bartrand got in the past over the loss of some item they had brought with them that was symbolic to him of what they had lost.    They are also in the presence of the whole idol, not just a shard.

 

So if you do give it to Varric, like as not it will just accentuate his propensity for tall tales and his somewhat unnatural affection for his crossbow, hence it acquiring new weapon slots.   After all, if you keep it and give it to Sandal, he makes it into a weapon rune that you can use, without any apparent ill affects.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

My previous post seems to have got lost in the ether but if you have seen it then apologies for repetition.

 

It seems to me that the lyrium idol enhances what is already there.   Both Bartrand and Meredith are obsessive characters and this just makes their mental state worse.   Bear in mind that Meredith is probably already a bit flakey through prolonged use of lyrium and Varric mentions how upset Bartrand got in the past over the loss of some item they had brought with them that was symbolic to him of what they had lost.    They are also in the presence of the whole idol, not just a shard.

 

So if you do give it to Varric, like as not it will just accentuate his propensity for tall tales and his somewhat unnatural affection for his crossbow, hence it acquiring new weapon slots.   After all, if you keep it and give it to Sandal, he makes it into a weapon rune that you can use, without any apparent ill affects.

 

Interesting Theory, However, there are a few discrepancies, Varric seems irritated and rude which is completely out of character for him, during the entire 'Haunted' quest. Also, The shard is evil by nature (unlike Captain America's super soldier serum) it attracted evil spirits and ghosts. I think it was Anders who was said something along the lines 'that the shard has stronger effects than the whole idol', although I rarely believe anything that preachy, sanctimonious ****** has to say, I do not doubt his expertise in magic.

[Wolfen09]

Twist, it was varic the whole time who tore the veil and you dont find out till the last possible moment

[Gervaise]

Varric was acting out of character but the mansion had bad associations for him and that combined with the residual effects of the shard on the aura of the place would have been sufficient to influence him negatively whilst he was there.   Mind you I'm not convinced about the instant bad effect through touching it/being in its presence.   If that were the case then Hawke should have been negatively influenced twice, the first time when they picked up the actual idol before giving it to Bartrand and the second time with the shard.

 

However, once Varric was back in his natural environment, The Hanged Man, he seemed perfectly okay.  To be honest I tended to avoid giving the shard to him because it didn't seem the sort of thing you would give to a friend but I don't think it was a particularly big deal if you did. 

 

Anders makes out he is a big authority on magic but I'm not altogether convinced he is.   Why would a little bit have more effect than the whole idol?   Didn't see Bartrand jumping sky high when we fought him, animating gigantic statues and doing a mass stun on his opponents, which is what the whole idol enabled Meredith to do.  So Anders' assertions about the shard versus the whole aren't borne out by the facts.

[Spectre Impersonator]

A question for the players, did anyone who cares for Varric actually LET him keep that piece of corruption?

[Dulas]

On several playthroughs, although that was only for diverisity. My canon Hawke gave the idol to Sandal, I think.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If you let him keep it, then this happens to him over the course of the game.

[JB322]

A question for the players, did anyone who cares for Varric actually LET him keep that piece of corruption?

I did and all I got out of was three lousy rune slots for Bianca, otherwise, it had no real effect on gameplay.

[Divine Justinia V]

A question for the players, did anyone who cares for Varric actually LET him keep that piece of corruption?

 

I was too afraid something would happen lol

 

 

I did and all I got out of was three lousy rune slots for Bianca, otherwise, it had no real effect on gameplay.

 

clearly I was waaay off

[Nightdragon8]

A question for the players, did anyone who cares for Varric actually LET him keep that piece of corruption?

First playthough, ... wait... ugh... now I dont even remember allthe choices i've made....

 

you know what BW needs to do, make an app for us so that when we do want to fill out the keep, we can have it all ready... and maybe allow us offical access to the flags considering the potental of not being able to  just upload the saves may not be an option...

 

The app doesn't enough need to look pretty for me. Even a down and dirty spreed sheet would be fine.