The best outcome for Ferelden seems to be Hardened Alistair as King and wed to Anora.
This depends on what your definition of 'best outcome' is.
Alistair - To harden or not?.
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After you harden Alistair you have to confirm it in camp something like 'It's about time' or something.
Personally I like unhardened Alistair but the game makes him act dorky if you don't Harden him.
He's not completely dorky. He really just becomes much more serious.... Yes, he can be dorky at times, but by the time you harden him, most of the dorkiness has already been presented if you romanced him. Most conversations with him have options where he jokes but isn't always funny...
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When I played the mage Alistair was locked in. When I play warrior he was not. Just did the mage about a month ago and I didn't have the option to take him out.
That's a weird little manipulation. No real reason he should be locked in to going if a mage unless there are no other shield warriors and that's some sort of mandatory thing but really, you could run with just about anyone there and still get the job done. Up close fighters have the most risk when you get to the dragon. They take a lot of damage. I guess it's to make sure there is a longsword on the team. But again, still seems pretty forced which it never has been before. What were your choices for the ritual? I'm wondering if it is forced for 'love' and whatever you did with the ritual.
The ending is a bit whacked because if he is there it's always that he was surprised dialogue and I guess that kind of implies that he was in the final fight. But I'd never heard of him being locked into anything except when you are going to the landsmeet.
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The best outcome for Ferelden seems to be Hardened Alistair as King and wed to Anora.
I don't know if you factor in personal relationships, but Anora seems to like the male Cousland a lot better than she likes Alistair.
Besides, her and the male Cousland lead to a Golden Age if they don't end up fighting for control. She and my male Cousland seem to be doing pretty well in Awakening, so my guess is they did get that Golden Age.
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Alistair is a wimp. If he could be hardened it would do wonders for his career prospects, and for the nation at large if one does not choose to usurp the throne
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When I played the mage Alistair was locked in. When I play warrior he was not. Just did the mage about a month ago and I didn't have the option to take him out.
I loaded a Redcliffe save from the a game where Alistair hadn't run off, which happened to be for a mage Warden. No problems leaving Alistair at the gate, he wasn't locked in. It cannot have been a glitch because there was specific dialogue where Alistair wanted to know why he was left behind. One of the possible answers was "I'm taking only those I need to help me fight", which may indicate that Morrigan and Shale aren't the only ones with a less than stellar opinion of Alistair.
That was unhardened Alistair, future husband of Anora. Can't try any other characters, since none of my Wardens ever allowed Alistair to murder Loghain (this was just a throwaway fork for the 'achievement' of towing Alistair all the way to the rooftop).
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I don't know if you factor in personal relationships, but Anora seems to like the male Cousland a lot better than she likes Alistair.
Besides, her and the male Cousland lead to a Golden Age if they don't end up fighting for control. She and my male Cousland seem to be doing pretty well in Awakening, so my guess is they did get that Golden Age.
The game clearly has ideals for who is on the throne. A king and queen are the ideal, Alistair hardened with Anora or the male warden with anora. Anora must be on the throne for the ideal and so there it benefits the male cousland player the most becauseas you say she seems happy as well. I call that BS writing by a man which also kind of shows up in other places like the final blow if Alistair loves the warden and no deal is made with Morrigan. Also how Alistair will dump you for the taint in your blood under certain conditions and most famously the sex with Morrigan ritual because of course there had to be one forced sex scene put in there and of course it had to be with morrigan who comes off as a pure alpha female who would manipulate people for power through sex. All of this just smacks of sexist BS and is pretty tiresome after a few playthroughs. That Gaider couldn't come up with another way to do the ritual aside from sex shows it never even crossed his mind how it might look and feel to female players. He was clearly not considering how the female player would feel in much of what evolves through the landsmeet and if Alistair is made king what becomes of the female if she was his lover. The only way you end up in a 'good' place is to either say FU to the whole king thing and keep him a warden and not give a damn about the landsmeet which I ALWAYS do now. Or to be a noble female love or no love. The male warden though can end up in the best situation under all circumstances. The male warden can sacrifice himself and not be screwed by game mechanics created by Gaider or some other witless idiot (not that Gaider is a witless idiot because outside of this whole landsmeet nonsense especially from the female point of view, it's well done for the most part, and I do adore him for supporting players building their own lore and stories - I'm not trashing him but oh dear Mr. Gaider - why so much with the sexist nonsense? Why oh why? Do you not even see how sexist it is?). The female warden, quite frankly, gets some of the worst hits if they are invested in the romance aspect of this game and choose the character that was essentially shoved at us at us as the main love interest (if they are not choosing leliana). Kind of not what you would expect given the day and age we live in. But alas there it is.
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That's a weird little manipulation. No real reason he should be locked in to going if a mage unless there are no other shield warriors and that's some sort of mandatory thing but really, you could run with just about anyone there and still get the job done. Up close fighters have the most risk when you get to the dragon. They take a lot of damage. I guess it's to make sure there is a longsword on the team. But again, still seems pretty forced which it never has been before. What were your choices for the ritual? I'm wondering if it is forced for 'love' and whatever you did with the ritual.
The ending is a bit whacked because if he is there it's always that he was surprised dialogue and I guess that kind of implies that he was in the final fight. But I'd never heard of him being locked into anything except when you are going to the landsmeet.
On the mage I took the DR. That wasn't force. The only thing that was forced in my game was the gate locked in Alistair. This was just on the mage. It appeared as Alistair locked, grayed out and I could not remove him. Just like Wynne locks in on my Circle tower adventure. The strange thing is that when I played the warrior it wasn't like that. I wonder could this have been a glitch? Is it happening on your mage?
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I just remembered that a game before my last I was a mage and Alistair wasn't in... or was he. Yes, I think Riordan tells me to take Alistair with me and choose two others. That stands out for some reason. But I never thought of it as being force because I saw it as we were the only two wardens and should be there. I think that's what happens. I'm sure Riordan said that because I remember thinking 'ah yes one of must kill that pesky demon'.
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"All of this just smacks of sexist BS and is pretty tiresome after a few playthroughs. That Gaider couldn't come up with another way to do the ritual aside from sex shows it never even crossed his mind how it might look and feel to female players. He was clearly not considering how the female player would feel in much of what evolves through the landsmeet and if Alistair is made king what becomes of the female if she was his lover. The only way you end up in a 'good' place is to either say FU to the whole king thing and keep him a warden and not give a damn about the landsmeet which I ALWAYS do now. Or to be a noble female love or no love. The male warden though can end up in the best situation under all circumstances. The male warden can sacrifice himself and not be screwed by game mechanics created by Gaider or some other witless idiot (not that Gaider is a witless idiot because outside of this whole landsmeet nonsense especially from the female point of view, it's well done for the most part, and I do adore him for supporting players building their own lore and stories - I'm not trashing him but oh dear Mr. Gaider - why so much with the sexist nonsense? Why oh why? Do you not even see how sexist it is?). The female warden, quite frankly, gets some of the worst hits if they are invested in the romance aspect of this game and choose the character that was essentially shoved at us at us as the main love interest (if they are not choosing leliana). Kind of not what you would expect given the day and age we live in. But alas there it is."
So very true. It totally sucks. I'm female and i like playing female but not in this game. I actally played it the same way you did Mage warden with Alistair warden. Female Cousland Queen with Al as king. The others were all male wardens.
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I just remembered that a game before my last I was a mage and Alistair wasn't in... or was he. Yes, I think Riordan tells me to take Alistair with me and choose two others. That stands out for some reason. But I never thought of it as being force because I saw it as we were the only two wardens and should be there. I think that's what happens. I'm sure Riordan said that because I remember thinking 'ah yes one of must kill that pesky demon'.
Yes. For some reason I couldn't remove him and put in Shale.
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On the mage I took the DR. That wasn't force. The only thing that was forced in my game was the gate locked in Alistair. This was just on the mage. It appeared as Alistair locked, grayed out and I could not remove him. Just like Wynne locks in on my Circle tower adventure. The strange thing is that when I played the warrior it wasn't like that. I wonder could this have been a glitch? Is it happening on your mage?
Yeah, I know how you mean it. I think of the landsmeet locked in the same way. Alistair has to be there. In fact, I only bring him and no others as it doesn't make sense to me given that I know what will happen.
I don't remember it happening with my mage previously but I did the ritual and was going to take him anyway so I might not have noticed. I do remember Riordan saying something about taking alistair. Or I think I remember that. Maybe I'm confused. I've had to debug out of the final battle straight to epilogue a few times because I get an insane amount of crashes (perhaps from mods?) at the end of the game. The final battle has certain map points that when my character hits them the game just crashes and there is no alternate route. Also, denerim gates just bugged like crazy for me in my last game. I was really pissed because coding out of it put him on the throne and he was meant to be a warden with me. Sigh - and I chose in the debugging to make anora sole queen but apparently even they can't get their debugging right. Even with I kept with the path I chose already at that point which should have at bare minimum not made him king at all as that was the landsmeet, it still defaulted to him being king with anora as queen which right there shows their ideal first choice. Otherwise it wouldn't hardcode default to that no matter how many times I retried to debug. It always put him a king with her or him alone once I think. It never just left anora on the throne alone. Not in all my tries even when choosing that option or following it from where it had been left at the landsmeet.
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I loaded a Redcliffe save from the a game where Alistair hadn't run off, which happened to be for a mage Warden. No problems leaving Alistair at the gate, he wasn't locked in. It cannot have been a glitch because there was specific dialogue where Alistair wanted to know why he was left behind. One of the possible answers was "I'm taking only those I need to help me fight", which may indicate that Morrigan and Shale aren't the only ones with a less than stellar opinion of Alistair.
That was unhardened Alistair, future husband of Anora. Can't try any other characters, since none of my Wardens ever allowed Alistair to murder Loghain (this was just a throwaway fork for the 'achievement' of towing Alistair all the way to the rooftop).
Thank you so much. It must have been a glitch. My game does crash somethings as well.
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So very true. It totally sucks. I'm female and i like playing female but not in this game. I actally played it the same way you did Mage warden with Alistair warden. Female Cousland Queen with Al as king. The others were all male wardens.
So you never had this happen with male wardens?
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So you never had this happen with male wardens?
True. I ran it with a male two-handed warrior and a male sword/shield and he wasn't locked in. It was just on my female who made Anora queen and romanced Alistair. They were both going the warden route.
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@ghostbuster: Perhaps your Alistair was still locked in from the Landsmeet? It might be possible to check that if earlier saves - post-Landsmeet but pre-Redcliffe - are still available.
I checked the plot script but it just pops up the party picker UI without further ado. The number of factors that might be related to locking in Alistair is staggering, though. Warden male, Warden female. Alistair king, not king. High approval, low approval. Alistair in love, not in love. Alistair ruling with Anora, without Anora. Alistair hardened, unhardened... etc. pp.
P.S.: I poked around in the toolset for a bit but couldn't find an efficient way of searching scripts without opening them all first. The magic function seems to be SetFollowerLocked().
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Yes, Darth could be right. It could be a glitch from the landsmeet unless it had to do with you being a mage and thereby there were no other shield warrirors. That is another possibility. But I don't recall Alistar ever being locked in like that. I think I chose who went. The only locks I remember are Wynne and the landsmeet with alistair. But again, this game is buggy even without mods. I can't recall if you have mods, ghostbusters, but if you do, all sort of crap can happen. Heck, I've played games with bare minimum mods that were buggy and I played them straight through. I only recently started using debugs because of the damn bugs. So if you are on PC, nothing surprises me. I kind of have to bow to skyrim on this. As buggy as that game could be with mods, as long as you didn't remove mods from your saves, generally it ran well and things didn't glitch like crazy and if they did debugging through to next sequence was easy because it's all online. DAO is more restrictive in modding and maps are clearly bugged or perahps its a memory cpu issues as I notice certain parts of the game put my laptop into overdrive which rarely happened with skyrim unless I had a huge amount of enemies on the field due to a mod, but even then limited. The design of this game is quite faulty in that manner. Lots of people get bugs in places where they couldn't progress. So this as a bug doesn't surprise me.
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You can't really figure out what he wants after hardening because it psychologically makes no sense. I have to say Gaider on this part has ZERO understanding of people right here to add in this hardening bit to work as it does. It runs in direct opposition to common sense, basic humanity, and even the logic that is applied to it does not make sense. It's like entering bizarro world where everything is opposite.
Truth is that under no circumstance does alistair really want to be king. If you pay attention to everything he says about the grey wardens, he's not fond of it but it is something he likes the way he liked how training for a templar taught him discipline. He can sink his teeth into that. Just like I supposed hardened alistair could sink his teeth into being king except the hardening itself is illogical in how it changes him.
For alistair to really be happy, he needs family. In the fade, when he is trapped with his sister if you go with the 'you seem content' dialogue option you see learn how he really feels. Second option go with the top choice to kind of encourage him to leave with you. Only then can you persuade him out of the dream and then you see the real picture of what he wants. Family. People who care about him that he cares about in his life. That's all that truly matters to him. King with a noble or king with someone he romanced would probably make him happy, but I think that even though he doesn't want to die at the hands of darkspawn, having someone he felt was family, that romance aspect for his character would shift that for him. His main issue is family and not having a sense of belonging and trying to find his place. For him, love seems to accomplish that. So king with a human noble at love status would work (hardened so he seems to accept the role more) or in the grey wardens with a female at love status, both staying with the wardens and the epilogue acknowledges that he is at the side of the woman he loves.
I agree with all of this! It's pretty obvious feeling cared about and having a family is the most important thing to Alistair. Even if he is unhardened and becomes king, he's happy when female noble warden at love status says she will rule beside him. Something about how this is usually when he wakes up? I expected him to be mad the first time I played that I was making him king but he was just happy at the thought of marrying the woman he loves.
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On the romance-Bioware clearly gears things toward getting the characters toward the night in the tent, and if you're lucky-a royal marriage to settle things. I really feel there's likely not much geared toward continuing the romance. You get a 5 minute cameo if you romance one of the important characters, a letter if you romance Leliana or Zevran. I imagine some of that has to do with simply you're dealing with a limit to how much you can do with the DAO game engine. If that's the case, I hope a new game engine with DAI will make things better.
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I agree. It is not an easy call. I always saw him as insecure. To me I just pick him because I want a King or Queen that addresses the needs of all citizens. I don't believe in second class and firmly believe you have to address your weak spots before they become a major issue.
I appreciate this but I personally kind of never take the landsmeet and how things are after it seriously because of absurd game design. I dismiss it on all the faults it has... like hardening. That to me makes the whole thing invalid since it's just a mechanism that is supposed to magically change Alistair into a good king, EXCEPT it is so illogical. Even if you harden him, that cannot make up for him WANTING me to lead the grey through everything. He wanted to follow. And now some comment I make after he meets his shrew of a sister magically makes him King material when he didn't even want to lead for the rest of the game? And it isn't even regarding anything about him being a leader! It's about people being selfish. How does telling that to someone make them a good king? Yes, it seems that Gaider wanted it to show that now he is more cynical and sees Anora as out for herself. I get that except it is so simplified that it utterly fails to address all the other MASSIVE issues with him being a king... things like he hates the idea of it and just barely accepts it, that he did not lead for one damn second during the whole game, that he is not leader material, that hardening doesn't change that no matter how they try to make it look that way. One comment in a romance can change things regarding the romance and sort of harden him there where the relationship is gone to the point of no return which makes sense, but one comment making a man who is not fully mature in some areas, who WANTS you to lead so he can follow, who doesn't take charge of his life or just barely does in the romance department if you go that route and let him get there on his own somehow magically makes him king material? No way. I call BS on that every time. ... this is not a good king. This is a puppet who might learn things but nothing about that one comment can change all of this about his nature. Nothing about that one comment can make him want to be king for any other reason than now he is cynical about Anora and you know, she builds a university! That is a very good thing. She might not be best for the elves but turns out that even if you pick a boon for them it doesn't go well in the second game anyway.
So I kind of just throw out all that nonsense in the game that implies he would be a good king because though the epilogues may say it, I cannot ever really believe it based on the character they so painstakingly built for the first three quarters of the game who now is magically changed to a good king if you tell him people are out for themselves. It's so flawed, so lacking, so unbelievably contrived and ridiculous.... if gaider wanted to go this route then there should have been a hell of a lot more seeds planted and little foreshadows that he could one day be a great leader. As it is, he can barely ask you to have sex with him nevermind lead a country. No way he really belongs on the throne. And to solidify what I'm saying even further, he will abandon you, the wardens and the battle of the archdemon and the blight IF you do not kill loghain. Sure, he will still be king under the right conditions, but now, he's become exactly what loghain was only in all honestly, Loghain really did seem to believe he was helping Ferelden. As much as I detest some of what loghain does, I have no doubt that at his epicenter is that proud and good general who just wanted to protect his country. That is is core. But Alistair's core, no matter how much I like him as a romance and as a warrior or grey warden, he will abandon everything if you don't kill loghain which while I get that is his sense of justice (with a hit of revenge) certainly does not show he would make a good king on any level. It sort of shows more clearly that he would be a horrible king. Don't get you way and you leave it all in the hands of two wardens when you know how serious the blight is? Hell no. If they wanted to show him as a good king, the writing should have foreshadowed this and most certainly shouldn't have him abandon the battle because loghain doesn't get killed or we use him for the warrior he is to help fight the demon. That would be the kingly choice, tough as it is personally. The right thing to do as a king would be to conscript him and make him fight the archdemon and force him to take that final blow so nobody has to have sex with morrigan.
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The game clearly has ideals for who is on the throne. A king and queen are the ideal, Alistair hardened with Anora or the male warden with anora. Anora must be on the throne for the ideal and so there it benefits the male cousland player the most becauseas you say she seems happy as well. I call that BS writing by a man which also kind of shows up in other places like the final blow if Alistair loves the warden and no deal is made with Morrigan. Also how Alistair will dump you for the taint in your blood under certain conditions and most famously the sex with Morrigan ritual because of course there had to be one forced sex scene put in there and of course it had to be with morrigan who comes off as a pure alpha female who would manipulate people for power through sex. All of this just smacks of sexist BS and is pretty tiresome after a few playthroughs. That Gaider couldn't come up with another way to do the ritual aside from sex shows it never even crossed his mind how it might look and feel to female players. He was clearly not considering how the female player would feel in much of what evolves through the landsmeet and if Alistair is made king what becomes of the female if she was his lover. The only way you end up in a 'good' place is to either say FU to the whole king thing and keep him a warden and not give a damn about the landsmeet which I ALWAYS do now. Or to be a noble female love or no love. The male warden though can end up in the best situation under all circumstances. The male warden can sacrifice himself and not be screwed by game mechanics created by Gaider or some other witless idiot (not that Gaider is a witless idiot because outside of this whole landsmeet nonsense especially from the female point of view, it's well done for the most part, and I do adore him for supporting players building their own lore and stories - I'm not trashing him but oh dear Mr. Gaider - why so much with the sexist nonsense? Why oh why? Do you not even see how sexist it is?). The female warden, quite frankly, gets some of the worst hits if they are invested in the romance aspect of this game and choose the character that was essentially shoved at us at us as the main love interest (if they are not choosing leliana). Kind of not what you would expect given the day and age we live in. But alas there it is.
No lies detected. It's bull that Male Cousland/Anora usher in a golden age, but apparantly Female Cousland/Alistair have problems. Like F!Cousland can never be a successful Queen, which is crap. I also call BS on the infertility ****, since it's been established that it IS possible for Grey Wardens to concieve children, especially if they haven't been tainted for long, which the PC hasn't. Neither has Alistair at that point for that matter, which is supposedly why Morrigan needs him to do the dark ritual. We've also heard of GW women getting pregnant. So, he can impregnate Morrigan easily but not your newly tainted PC who he sleeps with regularly? Seems awfully convenient.
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No lies detected. It's bull that Male Cousland/Anora usher in a golden age, but apparantly Female Cousland/Alistair have problems. Like F!Cousland can never be a successful Queen, which is crap. I also call BS on the infertility ****, since it's been established that it IS possible for Grey Wardens to concieve children, especially if they haven't been tainted for long, which the PC hasn't. Neither has Alistair at that point for that matter, which is supposedly why Morrigan needs him to do the dark ritual. We've also heard of GW women getting pregnant. So, he can impregnate Morrigan easily but not your newly tainted PC who he sleeps with regularly? Seems awfully convenient.
I think what Gaider actually said is that it is possible for Wardens to conceive, but that with 2 Grey Wardens it's impossible unless magic is involved. There was magic involved with the DR, blood magic or fertility magic or both, and that's how Morrigan got past the warden's fertility issues. You could have two wardens conceive, but you'd need to involve magic of some sort to make it happen, and they'd likely need to do it soon after becoming Wardens.
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No lies detected. It's bull that Male Cousland/Anora usher in a golden age, but apparantly Female Cousland/Alistair have problems. Like F!Cousland can never be a successful Queen, which is crap. I also call BS on the infertility ****, since it's been established that it IS possible for Grey Wardens to concieve children, especially if they haven't been tainted for long, which the PC hasn't. Neither has Alistair at that point for that matter, which is supposedly why Morrigan needs him to do the dark ritual. We've also heard of GW women getting pregnant. So, he can impregnate Morrigan easily but not your newly tainted PC who he sleeps with regularly? Seems awfully convenient.
Conveniently contrived. This is my problem with all of the 'end game' stuff in wrapping it up. It's done with such a heavy hand that it all just stinks of manipulations. None of it logically flows from anything. Most especially that in six months Duncan never told Alistair about what happens when a warden kills the archdemon. Riordan shows up a few minutes before and poof. New reveal that makes you lean toward having sex with morrigan. Why did we not know about this earlier? It's so stupid that we don't. Idiotic even .... that Duncan NEVER told Alistair about this in the six months prior or when he sense the blight? It just sort of slipped his mind? We're talking about Duncan. Do whatever it takes Duncan. Truest Grey Warden we've seen. Hardcore grey warden. And that just sort of slips his mind... for six months? Yeah... I've got a bridge to sell you.
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I think what Gaider actually said is that it is possible for Wardens to conceive, but that with 2 Grey Wardens it's impossible unless magic is involved. There was magic involved with the DR, blood magic or fertility magic or both, and that's how Morrigan got past the warden's fertility issues. You could have two wardens conceive, but you'd need to involve magic of some sort to make it happen, and they'd likely need to do it soon after becoming Wardens.
So then they could use magic to conceive. They use it to heal. That is allowed. This could be like a healing of the taint to conceive a child. Even so, Alistair is a BASTARD! He can have a bastard son take his throne if he can. If it is such a big issue to have this heir, well it's a tad hypocritical that he would be against a bastard son heir. It's also hypocritical to dump the female warden for her taint which he has as well. Even worse if he supposedly loves her. Now he just wants a baby mama and the thought that he is a bastard who just took the throne doesn't even seem to lean him toward thinking he could do the same with another woman and raise him as his own... which is kind of interesting because he has this whole wanting a family thing and being abandoned which he clearly hated. You might think he would be fine with getting some serving girl pregnant and calling that his heir and raising the child as a sort of cathartic thing. I mean, if he does it to save his life then why not to have an heir? The logic is so faulty it's comical.
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Posté 03 avril 2014 - 11:33
ahellbornlady
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I think what Gaider actually said is that it is possible for Wardens to conceive, but that with 2 Grey Wardens it's impossible unless magic is involved. There was magic involved with the DR, blood magic or fertility magic or both, and that's how Morrigan got past the warden's fertility issues. You could have two wardens conceive, but you'd need to involve magic of some sort to make it happen, and they'd likely need to do it soon after becoming Wardens.
If that's the case, why wouldn't Alistair and his Warden Queen simply turn to magic for help concieving if having an heir is really that important?
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