I've played both games inside out. Not really much to care for, imo. Better than ME2's "email updates" though.
But like ME2, I don't knock it. Both DA2 and ME2 stand in their own right. I just don't think importing matters all that much.
I remember that. It got worst with ME3. You could end up having to kill your love interest.
The ball and chain joke was pretty poor to be honest, felt abit out of character. Atleast with Leliana in DA2 she will state that the warden is very dear to her if they were together in DAO. Better than ball and chain.
Thank you! It's good to know. It's a little weird playing through this knowing all the options. I wish i had ended up on this playthrough long ago, when I could have made my "mistakes" and been just as surprised as my character by them. *sighs*If he loves you, he won't let you take the final blow. You have to take the dark ritual to keep him alive. There is a mod that makes the DR less creepy on Nexus.
I dunno, Alistair is quirky and tends to have ideas about things. That is, if he ever saw a loving couple refer to the other as the old ball and chain, he wouldn't think anything of saying it. And even in RL it tends to be used as a playful endearment. I've never even seen someone use it as something negative. When people actually feel negative towards their relationship they tend to use distance or slurs. *shrugs*The ball and chain joke was pretty poor to be honest, felt abit out of character. Atleast with Leliana in DA2 she will state that the warden is very dear to her if they were together in DAO. Better than ball and chain.
The ball and chain joke was pretty poor to be honest, felt abit out of character. Atleast with Leliana in DA2 she will state that the warden is very dear to her if they were together in DAO. Better than ball and chain.
I agree.
Thank you! It's good to know. It's a little weird playing through this knowing all the options. I wish i had ended up on this playthrough long ago, when I could have made my "mistakes" and been just as surprised as my character by them. *sighs*
Sidenote: I'm playing this game on Xbox
I dunno, Alistair is quirky and tends to have ideas about things. That is, if he ever saw a loving couple refer to the other as the old ball and chain, he wouldn't think anything of saying it. And even in RL it tends to be used as a playful endearment. I've never even seen someone use it as something negative. When people actually feel negative towards their relationship they tend to use distance or slurs. *shrugs*
It is often negative. I would never use it on my spouse. It is defined as follows:
It is often negative. I would never use it on my spouse. It is defined as follows:
ball and chainnoun1.a heavy iron ball fastened by a chain to a prisoner's leg.2.a burdensome restraint: The steady accumulation of small debts was a ball and chain to his progress.3.Facetious Slang: Often Offensive. a person's spouse or romantic partner, especially a female.Origin:1825–35, AmericanismUsage noteIn the meaning “romantic partner,” this term is consciously used for humorous or playful effect. But it is often perceived as insulting, implying that the partner is a burden or restriction on the other partner.It is slang:The origin is from ancient prisoner restraint methods -- approximately around the late middle ages, prisoners wore a heavy metal ball attached by a chain on their legs, to prevent them from making a run for their freedom (or at least, that is the way medieval prisoners are often depicted in modern popular culture).The allusion is that one's wife will not let one go anywhere (mostly meant as "go out", rather than "run away from her"), much like the ball and chain.
More proof that Alistair never loved me, err, my Warden. Wardens! Any of us, err, them. /babble
If I plan on him becoming king, harden it is. IF I have other plans for him, leave him a softy. 
And I HATE that in DA2 about the ball and chain. It does not fit Alistair at all. Especially after playing awakening as his Queen and the ending slides say he met her at the gates grinning from ear to ear. Why did the writers try and make it look like there was trouble in the marriage in DA2?. just because they felt that way about their spouses doesn't correspond with Alistair and my warden
Hm, I never took offense to the ball and chain thing, I understood it was meant to be something funny and endearing. And he didn't sound bitter or angry or even mocking at all. And Alistair is usually very vocal with his anger and disapprovement, didn't we discuss something like this in the first impression thread not long ago?
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Ive never played male. But how does it go with being married to anora on the awakening slides?
It's actually pretty cool. You're the rogue-ish triumphant hero returning that Cailan wished he could be. Glorious!
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Oh wait, you mean with Anora specifically. She finds herself enjoying your return and the cheering of the crowds. I think at that point, Anora really likes the Warden.
Oh wait, you mean with Anora specifically. She finds herself enjoying your return and the cheering of the crowds. I think at that point, Anora really likes the Warden.
*shrugs again* I've never actually seen someone use it negatively. Always playfully. Whatever the dictionary says, I was referencing the reality of common parlance from my personal experiences.It is often negative. I would never use it on my spouse. It is defined as follows:
ball and chain
noun
1.
a heavy iron ball fastened by a chain to a prisoner's leg.
2.
a burdensome restraint: The steady accumulation of small debts was a ball and chain to his progress.
3.
Facetious Slang: Often Offensive. a person's spouse or romantic partner, especially a female.
Origin:
1825–35, Americanism
Usage note
In the meaning “romantic partner,” this term is consciously used for humorous or playful effect. But it is often perceived as insulting, implying that the partner is a burden or restriction on the other partner.
It is slang:
The origin is from ancient prisoner restraint methods -- approximately around the late middle ages, prisoners wore a heavy metal ball attached by a chain on their legs, to prevent them from making a run for their freedom (or at least, that is the way medieval prisoners are often depicted in modern popular culture).
The allusion is that one's wife will not let one go anywhere (mostly meant as "go out", rather than "run away from her"), much like the ball and chain.
*shrugs again* I've never actually seen someone use it negatively. Always playfully. Whatever the dictionary says, I was referencing the reality of common parlance from my personal experiences.
Also, little known fact: RCA way back in the day used to attach a real ball and chain onto male workers their last day before their vacation to get married and send the key home to their fiances.
RCA is gone. They wouldn't be allowed to get away with it today. If you are in the USA, it would be unwise to refer to someone as a ball-in-chain in mixed company. Especially in a professional setting. Don't go to a professional dinner party and call someone a ball in chain your next boss may not like it.
Also, I bring up my experiences with the term because it makes more sense for Alistair as a person/character, not to mention what I would imagine the developer's intentions were when writing the line.
The developer is using slang and their market will receive the information based on the use of that slang. If they want to make sure they don't offend then marketing should make sure they understand the culture they are selling it to. It just good business and more profits.
I think you misunderstood my reasoning on bringing up the partial anecdote about RCA. I wasn't using that as a part of the discussion. It was a piece of random trivia that fit the topic and I thought people might find interesting.RCA is gone. They wouldn't be allowed to get away with it today. If you are in the USA, it would be unwise to refer to someone as a ball-in-chain in mixed company. Especially in a professional setting. Don't go to a professional dinner party and call someone a ball in chain your next boss may not like it.
okay? You seem really agitated by this discussion. I was just trying to be helpful to those hurt by Alistair's comment I point out that it more than likely did not have the indications about their Warden's relationship with Alistair that they had originally thought.The developer is using slang and their market will receive the information based on the use of that slang. If they want to make sure they don't offend then marketing should make sure they understand the culture they are selling it to. It just good business and more profits.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
I think it was just the writer trying to be clever except that it might have worked if Teegan didn't say that she doesn't like when you say that or something along those lines which Alistair then dismisses in what seems like a 'who cares?' way. Sometimes I wonder if that is just a broken import and the queen he is referring to is actually Anora because I could see that comment in that context. It's the only one that makes sense, and I have discovered that the game defaults to Anora and Alistair ruling together if you debug it to the end from no matter what point you are at. if you get stuck in the game and just finish it from where you are as it is using the debug to get to the epilogue it has him on the throne with her and presumes you as his mistress. That is the automatic default no matter how many times I chose other options or what those options were. I tried to have anora alone and the code still went to both. I tried to have Alistair alone and the code still went to both. The code would pay attention to the dark ritual and survivor aspect because it would kill off alistair when I wasn't fully clear on which option was what because the variable are player lives dark ritual, player dies no dark ritual, alistair lives dark ritual, alistair dies no dark ritual which I don't even remember which meant what because I kept trying to just complete the game as it would keep crashing at the gates during the final battle and it kept forcing the two of them to rule which is the one I like least of all the options. Finally I found a way to skip to the end of the fight on the room and miss the areas that crashed but in the meanwhile I learned that the game has a default setting, either that or the debugging is broken on that part.
So my point is that if I could not make choices in the debugging to get it to end how I wanted then clearly it is bugged on some level as I could make these choices in other area like orzamar at least. So I think what might have happened now that I ponder this is that because of this weird bug, sometimes the import is messed up and the flags at the end of your game set wrong for the human noble and perhaps if you choose to rule because that is such a rare event as it is only one very specific situation where it happen (playing female noble with high enough persuasion check) that someone at BW messed up something that is relevant to the import which causes it to trigger to the default. So I think the ball and chain is anora and human nobles don't get imported correctly. That's the only way it makes sense to me.
I think you misunderstood my reasoning on bringing up the partial anecdote about RCA. I wasn't using that as a part of the discussion. It was a piece of random trivia that fit the topic and I thought people might find interesting.
okay? You seem really agitated by this discussion. I was just trying to be helpful to those hurt by Alistair's comment I point out that it more than likely did not have the indications about their Warden's relationship with Alistair that they had originally thought.
I didn't argue the validity of the choice to write the line.
Not agitated at all.
" I was just trying to be helpful to those hurt by Alistair's comment I point out that it more than likely did not have the indications about their Warden's relationship with Alistair that they had originally thought."
It is nice that you are trying to do this. If they find it offensive, then they are in step with their current social environment.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Perhaps ball and chain might be part of the same culture that laughed at the "Honeymooners".
"To the moon, Alice!" *shakes fist*
Nowadays, you'll never see a man in a sitcom joking about beating his wife every episode.
If I plan on him becoming king, harden it is. IF I have other plans for him, leave him a softy.
And I HATE that in DA2 about the ball and chain. It does not fit Alistair at all. Especially after playing awakening as his Queen and the ending slides say he met her at the gates grinning from ear to ear. Why did the writers try and make it look like there was trouble in the marriage in DA2?. just because they felt that way about their spouses doesn't correspond with Alistair and my warden
Exactly. Could it be they were going to make this work with the warden disappearing in the end? I remember in the end of DA2 they say they can't locate the warden.
Perhaps ball and chain might be part of the same culture that laughed at the "Honeymooners".
"To the moon, Alice!" *shakes fist*
Nowadays, you'll never see a man in a sitcom joking about beating his wife every episode.
Times have changed and yes I agree with you.
Guest_starlitegirlx_*
Well, ball and chain can be used jokingly and you can see alistair doing it except again, teegan says she doesn't like it which alistair dismisses. So I think it is Anora he speaks of and the import is wrong. That or the writers are idiots because for teegan to say that shows Alistair is NOT fully teasing unless teegan says that in response to everything which just shows how cheap these imports are. It doesn't REALLY bother me. It was more that it sort of shocked me because I had just done that playthrough for carry over into DA2 and when there is finally a reference to it, it's not really a nice one. It's a joke that comes off kind of not nice and reminds me of how female characters keep getting the shaft through the game with all the sexist BS. It's in that same tone so maybe it is the human noble and the writer is just a sexist idiot.
On the ball and chain comment-it was also put in for male PC's . There a conversation you have with Anders in Awakening in which he asks, "what would you do if you didn't have to be a Warden?. If you respond, "I'd go back to court", Anders responds, "Oh, the old ball and chain, huh".
I haven't tried making that response with a male character not married to Anora, so i'm not sure if it would change if it was like a city elf just involved at court. I imagine it's just something put in for those on the royal path with male Couslands.
In any case, it's clearly something the writer thinks is funny and they have a track record of putting it in there across the board.
I just saw it as the way couples tease each other sometimes, personally. Particularly couples with a very good relationship. It fits Alistair's humour as well.I think it was just the writer trying to be clever except that it might have worked if Teegan didn't say that she doesn't like when you say that or something along those lines which Alistair then dismisses in what seems like a 'who cares?' way.
The only problem with that idea is that his response is actually, "I'm not afraid of her just because she killed an Arch demon." So he's definitely referring to the PC.Sometimes I wonder if that is just a broken import and the queen he is referring to is actually Anora because I could see that comment in that context. It's the only one that makes sense.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with them feeling that way. I'm just pointing out that I don't think the intention was to show him as disrespecting the Warden.Not agitated at all.
" I was just trying to be helpful to those hurt by Alistair's comment I point out that it more than likely did not have the indications about their Warden's relationship with Alistair that they had originally thought."
It is nice that you are trying to do this. If they find it offensive, then they are in step with their current social environment.
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