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Hmmm ... I wonder if BoobSplint Mail would be less likely to crush your sternum if you fell forward on it than Boob Plate. Perhaps the individual pieces would absorb the pressure differently ... at least the stress of blows wouldn't be funneled to the centre of the chest, I suppose ...
Still, looks a bit chain-mail-bikini for my tastes.
riiiiight. but here is the thing. if we are talking about armor and weapons in general i see no practical use for armor that have curves on a chest. i mean i can catch a mace on these curves, when in uncurved armor mace could just glance off or power of impact could be lower.
I don't have a problem with it personally. Besides helping female characters to stand out from the men, plenty of historical armor designs included features that were purely cosmetic. I see it as falling into the same category of the muscled cuirass, which was worn by some ancient warriors.
I don't see how its sexist to assume that the human in platemail is a male when in reality and most fiction its much much more likely to be a man. If I say babysitter do you assume it is a girl?
I do assume woman when I hear babysitter. I don't consider this ideal either, nor do I think it makes me a bad person. Most people assume woman when they hear nurse as well. Or man when they hear weightlifter. Interestingly, I'm friends with a male nurse and a female power lifter.
Again, it's not as egregious as me declaring "I HATE WOMEN" (or even men), but I do consider it problematic and feel that it's not a bad thing to be aware of it going forward. I certainly think it's an interesting thing to explore either with my own thoughts, or in discussions.
Didn't read all the thread, but I wonder why there are so many pages. Yes, more generic female soldiers please. If it is possible, then good. I will always support improvements for a better representation for women.
That said, I disagree. To me there was nothing sexist to assume that the default is male considering history, reality, where we take our inspirations.Trying to be loyal to a portrait consciously or unconsciously isn't really a prejudice against a particular gender, even if we can change things for improvements. ( except if it is said " equally represented in the fantasy universe and it wasn't " which was the case, so I could agree if it is specific to dragon age )
It's bad for representation, but not necessarily sexist. This word is just plastered everywhere, that's why I'm really suspicious everytimes I see this word used.
Yes, there is a lot more male soldiers than female soldiers. It. is. true. And I don't even need to mention medieval times.That's a normal thing to do. It's human. When I imagined my fanfiction in a school, I imagined a lot more female teachers in my head, because in my life, I've almost only seen that. ( I'm not saying there aren't a lot of guys )
I don't have a problem with it personally. Besides helping female characters to stand out from the men, plenty of historical armor designs included features that were purely cosmetic. I see it as falling into the same category of the muscled cuirass, which was worn by some ancient warriors.
is it sexist that after all the complains about boob plate I find the fact man actually had abs and pec plate funny?
Didn't read this thread, but I wonder why there are so many pages. Yes, more generic female soldiers please. If it is possible, then good. I will always support improvements for a better representation for women.
That said, I disagree. To me there was nothing sexist to assume that the default is male considering history, reality, where we take our inspirations.Trying to be loyal to a portrait consciously or unconsciously isn't really a prejudice against a particular gender, even if we can change things for improvements. ( except if it is said " equally represented in the fantasy universe and it wasn't " which was the case, so I could agree if it is specific to dragon age )
It's bad for representation, but not necessarily sexist. This word is just plastered everywhere, that's why I'm really suspicious everytimes I see this word used.
Yes, there is a lot more male soldiers than female soldiers. It. is. true. And I don't even need to mention medieval times.That's a normal thing to do. It's human. When I imagined my fanfiction in a school, I imagined a lot more female teachers in my head, because in my life, I've almost only seen that. ( I'm not saying there aren't a lot of guys )
I think history was a lot more balanced than people assume. Women didn't just start accomplishing things when they got the vote. There are plenty of instances of women accomplishing things that get erased by historians (who were primarily men).
I don't have a problem with it personally. Besides helping female characters to stand out from the men, plenty of historical armor designs included features that were purely cosmetic. I see it as falling into the same category of the muscled cuirass, which was worn by some ancient warriors.
According to Wikipedia, the muscle cuirass was likely too cumbersome and expensive for actual combat (compared to a standard cuirass), though it was depicted ceremonially and in art. The last point is interesting, because art is one of the ways most of us are exposed to that sort of style. We'll see the art, and if we see it enough, it begins to form our expectation for how the actual armor must have looked. It becomes the "realistic" armor.
I think history was a lot more balanced than people assume. Women didn't just start accomplishing things when they got the vote. There are plenty of instances of women accomplishing things that get erased by historians (who were primarily men).
I definitely agree. I just feel that we should fight for the future without blaming too much the devs from the past with their " lack of imagination " Now, I 'm glad that bioware said we will have a lot more generc female soldiers.
I definitely agree. I just feel that we should fight for the future without blaming too much the devs from the past with their " lack of imagination " Now, I 'm glad that bioware said we will have a lot more generc female soldiers.
I don't see this ending well.
not the more female soldier part the bioware making a promise part.
is it sexist that after all the complains about boob plate I find the fact man actually had abs and pec plate funny?
What people call 'boob plate' I consider a bit of a non-issue. I certainly don't see it as sexist.
I think the bigger issue is that far too often in RPGs armor for female characters isn't really armor at all, and they have more exposed skin than armored.
I do assume woman when I hear babysitter. I don't consider this ideal either, nor do I think it makes me a bad person. Most people assume woman when they hear nurse as well. Or man when they hear weightlifter. Interestingly, I'm friends with a male nurse and a female power lifter.
Again, it's not as egregious as me declaring "I HATE WOMEN" (or even men), but I do consider it problematic and feel that it's not a bad thing to be aware of it going forward. I certainly think it's an interesting thing to explore either with my own thoughts, or in discussions.
But, I don't think there is going to be a suddenly rush of male nurses and female lifters to change our perception. Its just the way we assume things to help us picture things better. I don't know how to picture a gender netural nurse and its easier to refer to the unseen knight as "he" instead of just saying the knight over and over untill he takes off his helm.
As long as we don't take these preconceptions as absolute fact its harmless.
But, I don't think there is going to be a suddenly rush of male nurses and female lifters to change our perception.
Well number of male nurses is rising, actually. But men still have to fight against this stereotype that nursing is for women or it somehow makes them less manly if they choose to follow this career.
Being more aware of stereotypes and maybe making an active effort to use the opposite pronoun that you would normally when referring to a certain type of person might help us all be a little more open-minded toward one another.
I definitely agree. I just feel that we should fight for the future without blaming too much the devs from the past with their " lack of imagination " Now, I 'm glad that bioware said we will have a lot more generc female soldiers.
I don't really consider it "blaming," mostly just observations.
But, I don't think there is going to be a suddenly rush of male nurses and female lifters to change our perception. Its just the way we assume things to help us picture things better. I don't know how to picture a gender netural nurse and its easier to refer to the unseen knight as "he" instead of just saying the knight over and over untill he takes off his helm.
As long as we don't take these preconceptions as absolute fact its harmless.
But we are seeing more more male nurses. And I have certainly noticed more female lifters. We're also seeing more men receive custody of children, and more men teaching younger grade school children, with more women becoming post-docs, construction works, and marines.
I'm not content with it being "just the way we assume things." Perhaps we need a general neutral pronoun for the case of the knight (I started using "they" and it's actually becoming more common, even if some grammar critics will disapprove), and some have argued that using "he" for gender neutral situations (something I was explicitly taught in school) is an example of systemic/institutional sexism because it reinforces the male default (given my education, mentally I don't know if that's the case for me, but I can certainly understand the angle that that comes from).
As for harmless, I actually am not sure. Is it surprising that a girl that acts in masculine ways tends to be less noteworthy than a boy that acts in feminine ways? If you have people actively NOT pursuing something that they want to do because of these perceptions, I don't consider that a good thing.
If someone really wants to be a power lifter, but just by observation concludes that it's not something that a woman does, then I don't think it's harmless.
is it sexist that after all the complains about boob plate I find the fact man actually had abs and pec plate funny?
Abs and Pec plates aren't so exaggerated that they actually concentrate force onto your sternum from anywhere on your chest if you fall over. Also, they were often used for ceremonial or show armour rather than battlefield stuff -- it was heavy (because of the amount of casting and scupting involved) and way too restrictive to actually fight in.
So no, not particularly sexist, but not all that well-versed in the realities of wearing armour, either.
Why does every thread that mentions "female" anything always have to turn into a war about sexism? "Can we see the female inquisitor in a trailer?" sexism war "no more boob armor for female characters?" sexism war etc...and the term "realism" is always waved about like a banner every time to tell us why women should be oppressed, discriminated against, and underrepresented because it's a vaguely medieval setting.
Sure, I don't see why not, it fits the universe
because it's a vaguely medieval setting.
vaguely....
the knights in shining armor, feudal government, dragons, orc wannabes, a massive Church, witches, etc...
Abs and Pec plates aren't so exaggerated that they actually concentrate force onto your sternum from anywhere on your chest if you fall over. Also, they were often used for ceremonial or show armour rather than battlefield stuff -- it was heavy (because of the amount of casting and scupting involved) and way too restrictive to actually fight in.
So no, not particularly sexist, but not all that well-versed in the realities of wearing armour, either.
I didn't say I found it realistic, I said I found it funny
Why does every thread that mentions "female" anything always have to turn into a war about sexism? "Can we see the female inquisitor in a trailer?" sexism war "no more boob armor for female characters?" sexism war etc...and the term "realism" is always waved about like a banner every time to tell us why women should be oppressed, discriminated against, and underrepresented because it's a vaguely medieval setting.
A truly realistic take would be quite humorous. I can picture the complaints now...
"WTF Bioware my character gets to level 3 and dies from the Black Death?! Super lame!"
vaguely....
the knights in shining armor, feudal government, dragons, orc wannabes, a massive Church, witches, etc...
vaguely....
the knights in shining armor, feudal government, dragons, orc wannabes, a massive Church, witches, etc...
A truly realistic take would be quite humorous. I can picture the complaints now...
"WTF Bioware my character gets to level 3 and dies from the Black Death?! Super lame!"
Why is everything covered in ****? >.>
Yeah, medieval Europe was crawling with dragons and orcs and mages and elves and horn-headed Muslim-Borg-Soviet-Daoists.
Lord of the Rings isn't medieval fantasy then, neither is ASoIaF
except they clearly are
fantasy is a genre, medieval fantasy is a sub-genre, there are other kinds of fantasy such as that based upon Japanese mythology or modern fantasy or space fantasy, Dragon Age is clearly medieval fantasy
Perhaps we need a general neutral pronoun for the case of the knight (I started using "they" and it's actually becoming more common, even if some grammar critics will disapprove), and some have argued that using "he" for gender neutral situations (something I was explicitly taught in school) is an example of systemic/institutional sexism because it reinforces the male default (given my education, mentally I don't know if that's the case for me, but I can certainly understand the angle that that comes from).
I can't speak for all fields, but in tech writing there's a general rule that you avoid gender-specific pronouns altogether by re-casting the sentence or using "they" as a singular third-person pronoun, as long as it isn't ambiguous. We're 're seeing sentences like "The PC drops their sword and flees" or "The PC drops the sword and flees" because even though the grammar's technically wrong in the first case, it reflects common use and it isn't barbarous.
Also, these days, the average reader will notice a gender-specific pronoun more often, and be more distracted by it (and upset by it, if they think it is excluding the other gender). One of the axioms of good tech writing is that if people are getting hung up on how you're expressing yourself, they are no longer fully concentrating on what you are saying. Even in non-tech writing, it's a way of avoiding that whole potential minefield. We're more interested in what the PC did than what gender they were, and either of the re-castings get rid of the potential for distraction and extraneous info.
Lord of the Rings isn't medieval fantasy then, neither is ASoIaF
except they clearly are
fantasy is a genre, medieval fantasy is a sub-genre, there are other kinds of fantasy such as that based upon Japanese mythology or feudal societ, or space fantasy, Dragon Age is clearly medieval fantasy
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