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[Iron Star]

Without knowing squat about game development I just want to say that if it is possible for Bioware to add a generic female soldier model to the game without going overbudget or making the game simply too huge in terms of memory etc., I'd love to see it happen. And since it'd only mean one more model that wouldn't necessarily mean more NPC, but instead that only half the generic soldiers in the game that would already be in it would be female instead of male I don't see how it could be a problem.

 

Then again I know absolutely nothing about these kinds of things, so perhaps it really would be quite a hassle to make something like this happen.

[Uccio]

Here, have a tissue. Man up.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Strong female warriors are about as fantastical as magic, dragons and darkspawn so it would strain credulity to have a lot of them. Sort of like if every other person in Thedas was a mage. 

 

I'm starting to regret coming back to read this thread...

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm starting to regret coming back to read this thread...

The ignore feature is a wonderful thing.

[Wulfram]

I think a group like "people who play video games" that covers 58% of the American population is so broad as to be pretty meaningless as a target market.

 

Looking at the people who own an Xbox or Playstation is probably more useful, and that's around 30% women.  Though I'd assume Bioware has access to a lot more specific information than that

[Topsider]

Yes, but all teh wimmens are playing teh Farmvilles and candy crush sagas

 

(Hopefully it's obvious I'm kidding)

heh, but certain games are overwhelmingly played by men, and others played by women. The question is what's the male to female ratio for Bioware games? I actually think the 80% manshep stat is fairly accurate (Mass Effect 2). I'm sure Dragon Age would be much closer but still not even numbers... impossible to know unless they ask your gender ingame.

 

At least it's a better ratio than Eve Online, where 97% of players are male. What accounts for such a huge imbalance? It's set in space? hmm.

[mousestalker]

I think a group like "people who play video games" that covers 58% of the American population is so broad as to be pretty meaningless as a target market.

 

Looking at the people who own an Xbox or Playstation is probably more useful, and that's around 30% women.  Though I'd assume Bioware has access to a lot more specific information than that

 

 

 I'm more PC than that. So are many other gamers.

[Grieving Natashina]

 I'm more PC than that. So are many other gamers.

I own a PS3 and a PS4 and I'm a PC gamer.  My husband prefers the console games as well as a controller.  I'm more of a keyboard and mouse person myself.

[Dio Demon]

I own a PS3 and a PS4 and I'm a PC gamer.  My husband prefers the console games as well as a controller.  I'm more of a keyboard and mouse person myself.

The true gamer master race, is one who uses all of the gaming platforms.

[Grieving Natashina]

The true gamer master race, is one who uses all of the gaming platforms.

To be fair, if I pick up FFXV, it'll be on the PS4.    

[Amarettibiskits]

Filthy casuals. Tabletop is my platform of choice. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

heh, but certain games are overwhelmingly played by men, and others played by women. The question is what's the male to female ratio for Bioware games? I actually think the 80% manshep stat is fairly accurate (Mass Effect 2). I'm sure Dragon Age would be much closer but still not even numbers... impossible to know unless they ask your gender ingame.

 

At least it's a better ratio than Eve Online, where 97% of players are male. What accounts for such a huge imbalance? It's set in space? hmm.

 

Maybe Eve Online's stats can be that more men are willing to put up with mind numbingly boring stat games that women? Heh I'm mostly kidding, I've never actually played it, except for a demo, very briefly.

 

I suppose bioware could use gender stats on their Origin accounts, of that exists, and can be considered accurate.

 

Bottom line for me is, I don't want to be pandered to. Just give me a realistic world (where realism applies obviously) and a good story, with fun believable characters.

 

I generally get that from Bioware, with the odd exceptions like "We didn't want to design female aliens so uhhh, salarian/ krogan/Qunari females are rare and never show their faces, yeah thats it."

[Wulfram]

 I'm more PC than that. So are many other gamers.

 

Including me

 

But I haven't seen any statistics for "people who own a PC with a decent video card".  Personally I'd guess that audience is more male than the console audience, but that's pulled from my hind quarters.

[Amarettibiskits]

Maybe Eve Online's stats can be that more men are willing to put up with mind numbingly boring stat games that women? Heh I'm mostly kidding, I've never actually played it, except for a demo, very briefly.

 

I suppose bioware could use gender stats on their Origin accounts, of that exists, and can be considered accurate.

 

Bottom line for me is, I don't want to be pandered to. Just give me a realistic world (where realism applies obviously) and a good story, with fun believable characters.

 

I generally get that from Bioware, with the odd exceptions like "We didn't want to design female aliens so uhhh, salarian/ krogan/Qunari females are rare and never show their faces, yeah thats it."

 

Same. The gender ratios is dragon age have never bothered me. It's not 50/50 equal, but that's less important to me than having named female characters who are, you know, plentiful and fully realised characters and not just interchangeable eye candy - which is not something you can say for all or even most fantasy rpgs.

 

That said, the female aliens in ME did bother me a bit. We got the whole 'don't have time/money' excuse about making female models, then by ME3 they did what they should have done in the beginning anyway - used the same exact models and used female voice actors. It did ruin immersion to be running around for several games without seeing any female aliens aside from the designated blue space lesbian strippers. 

[TheLittleBird]

The true gamer master race, is one who uses all of the gaming platforms.

 

My gaming career goal is to one day have all the current-gen consoles (whatever they are at that time), including a PC, in my house simultaneously.

[Naesaki]

My gaming career goal is to one day have all the current-gen consoles (whatever they are at that time), including a PC, in my house simultaneously.

Right now I own a Wii, 3DS, Vita, PS3 and PC, eventually plan to add a PS4 to that list, I have zero interest in the XOne, I did have a 360, but it blew up =s

[Wolfen09]

no consoles, no tabletops, no pcs, just you and your imagination and 6.4 billion other people on the planet standing in your way to the end of the game

[Hanako Ikezawa]

no consoles, no tabletops, no pcs, just you and your imagination and 6.4 billion other people on the planet standing in your way to the end of the game

Oddly specific number. Why 6.4 billion?

[Naesaki]

Oddly specific number. Why 6.4 billion?

I thought our planets population was like 7.2 billion now?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I thought our planets population was like 7.2 billion now?

Is it? I know we went over 7 billion last October.

[Naesaki]

Is it? I know we went over 7 billion last October.

Apparently we'll reach 8 billion in the spring of 2024......ugh I'll be 34/35 then.....

[Topsider]

Maybe Eve Online's stats can be that more men are willing to put up with mind numbingly boring stat games that women? Heh I'm mostly kidding, I've never actually played it, except for a demo, very briefly.

 

 

 

 

I think that's a reasonable assumption actually. I don't play EVE but I know its very stat-heavy and requires constant attention/management to get the best out of. It's often referred to as "spreadsheets online". 3% women is still a tiny number though and can't just be an aversion to stats. A general dislike for the space setting, or maybe a feeling of being detached from your avatar/character? Whatever the reason, it's probably the most male dominated game out there.

 

Bottom line for me is, I don't want to be pandered to. Just give me a realistic world (where realism applies obviously) and a good story, with fun believable characters.

A good story with believable characters is what most people want. I like realism whenever possible but a fantasy world is always going to have some "fantastic" stuff. 

[Iorwerth]

I like you guys, but nowhere near enough to read 20 pages of this stuff. So responding to the op, I'm in the camp arguing that the character creator was saying male and female pcs can do the same thing, blah blah blah, nothing you haven't heard.

 

The one thing I actually felt like pointing out: run through the Ostagar camp, count all the generic soldiers (55) and then count the generic female soldiers (6). This puts generic female soldiers at roughly 11 percent of generic soldier population. Note: I didn't bother to look anywhere else and I sure as hell didn't go through and count all the soldiers in the cutscenes. Have fun with that. But just for the sake of comparison, the DoD reports that women composed 14.6 percent of the US Armed Forces in 2012 (just google demographics of the US military and choose any of the first dozen or so sources that pop up). Now there are all sorts of ramifications that should probably be questioned when comparing these numbers, but I just wanted to very briefly point out that it seems Bioware did an incredibly accurate job of portraying an "equal" society's armed forces.

[Killdren88]

I asked some friends of mine what their thoughts were on this matter. And they said they prefer male soldiers not based on sexism mind you but they find the idea of tearing a woman to shreds in gruesome ways to be far more unsettling than male soldiers.

I found this to be odd. Why is decapitating a woman more unsettling than a man?

[TataJojo]

I asked some friends of mine what their thoughts were on this matter. And they said they prefer male soldiers not based on sexism mind you but they find the idea of tearing a woman to shreds in gruesome ways to be far more unsettling than male soldiers.

I found this to be odd. Why is decapitating a woman more unsettling than a man?

 

I guess it goes with the image of Women some people have that they are weak and need to be protected and so on.