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[Maiden Crowe]

Funny, I feel no need to avenge Bioware. Witcher was terrible as a RPG in general to me for various reasons. 

 

Is it because IT TREATED WOMEN LIKE BASEBALL CARDSSS!!!!!!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is it because IT TREATED WOMEN LIKE BASEBALL CARDSSS!!!!!!

That, the lack of character customization, the character being boring, the combat not being my personal preference, etc.

[PrinceofTime]

Actually I have no real problems with DA2. 

Sounds about right.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sounds about right.

For what, pray tell?

[Grieving Natashina]

Hina, I'd just walk away from that post at this point.

[PrinceofTime]

For what, pray tell?

I'll leave that to your imagination darling 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hina, I'd just walk away from that post at this point.

Maiden's or One's? Or both? 

 

Don't worry, I'm not going to get in a big argument about it.

[PrinceofTime]

Hina, I'd just walk away from that post at this point.

Chill, im not going there. She(im assuming shes a girl) didnt like Witcher and liked DA2, no big deal. Preferences.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Chill, im not going there. She(im assuming shes a girl) didnt like Witcher and liked DA2, no big deal. Preferences.

Indeed. I don't think less of those who like the Witcher. We all like different things.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Is it because IT TREATED WOMEN LIKE BASEBALL CARDSSS!!!!!!

 

The sex cards were the icing on the failcake for me. I played The Witcher for a whole hour once and haaaaated it. The boring fixed protagonist and terrible combat would have driven me off even without the cards. I will not be buying any CD Projeckt Red games in the future unless they make something very different, and that Cyberpunk trailer was not reassuring on that score. I suspect they are just fine with this, as I am obviously not their target demographic.

 

Meanwhile, I have played DA2 seven times and am planning to go back for an eighth.

[AresKeith]

I wonder how they justified those cards, since I doubt those were in the book. 

 

I'm glad they got rid of those in Witcher 2 and the next game

[Cainhurst Crow]

Everyone in this thread is trying way too hard.

 

Just saying.

[Grieving Natashina]

Indeed. I don't think less of those who like the Witcher. We all like different things.

Aye, that's the joy of having so many games to choose from.  To each their own.  I'm not going to write CDPR in an angry fervor, demanding that they change the game because I don't like it.   As a consumer, I already did all that I could do: Close my wallet and not buy another game in that series.  Nor will I call anyone that likes the game any names, since some more enjoy the rest of the story elements and can ignore the ones that bothered me.  

 

I am however going to try to participate in a BioWare thread requesting a few more lady NPCs thrown out there.  Thankfully, David was kind enough to come on here and say that there will be more female generic NPCs.   Why is the thread still going then?  Because there was a lot of folks of both genders that are trying to discuss ways that BioWare can improve on that in future games.

 

Oh and to answer your earlier question, both.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The sex cards were the icing on the failcake for me. I played The Witcher for a whole hour once and haaaaated it. The boring fixed protagonist and terrible combat would have driven me off even without the cards. I will not be buying any CD Projeckt Red games in the future unless they make something very different, and that Cyberpunk trailer was not reassuring on that score. I suspect they are just fine with this, as I am obviously not their target demographic.

 

Meanwhile, I have played DA2 seven times and am planning to go back for an eighth.

I will admit, Cyberpunk 2077 has me interested, but I blame my love for series like Ghost in the Shell and games like Deus Ex for that. 

[Maiden Crowe]

 

I mean, would a bunch of sexy dudes wanting to have sex with a main woman character be considered sexist?

 

Funny you should mention that, what do you think the major selling point for the Dragon Age series is? One only need look at the fangirl's favorite banter to find out

 

 

Why do you think Cullen is so popular?

 

[Althix]

 what do you think the major selling point for the Dragon Age series is?

emm. setting? role playing? combat and it's mechanics? character development?

[Maiden Crowe]

emm. setting? role playing? combat and it's mechanics? character development?

 

Oh hun you're not fooling anyone.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Everyone in this thread is trying way too hard.

 

Just saying.

 

At what?

 

I will admit, Cyberpunk 2077 has me interested, but I blame my love for series like Ghost in the Shell and games like Deus Ex for that. 

 

I was interested until I saw the teaser trailer, which consists of an attractive female android in lingerie being shot at by fully-clothed men in swat gear. I'm pretty sure they don't want my money.

 

 

I mean, would a bunch of sexy dudes wanting to have sex with a main woman character be considered sexist? No. No it wouldn't.

 

Please let me know when someone actually makes a CRPG where this happens.

[Althix]

Oh hun you're not fooling anyone.

I am not trying to. I was away from BSN for couple of years i guess. Work stuff. However i do remember last topics about DAI.

Major point of those: can i have character X as LI in DAI?

 

riiiiiiight, this is why you are playing rpg game with swords and magics.

[Allan Schumacher]

Why does Bioware get so much flak for this sort of thing?
" Not enough openly gay characters."
"I want my male Inquisitor to be able to where dresses because I'm Transgender."
" Why isn't the Female Inquisitor the default?"
" We need more multiracial people in the game."
Enough is enough. Yes Bioware is great at having a diverse cast and characters in this game. It's why these games have such wide appeal to so many Audiences. Its great that it happens. But really people. Stop looking at Bioware for some sort of social justice and equality. It is totally unfair to Bioware that people have thrown this mantle on them. Give them a break. Apologies for the rant.

 

I once wondered this too.  Depending on the level of aggression that can come out of a complaint, I'll still wonder why the hostility when we're trying.  Mostly because I am human and get defensive like other people.

 

I think it's also because, frankly, by providing a game that lets this stuff be validated, it's simply a consequence of there being people here that like that stuff, and perhaps even (hopefully) bring it up because there's a chance that it might be able to be discussed.  Maybe these types of conversations don't come up in some other places because it's seen as completely futile to even try.

 

 

In this sense, if you're going to get more people of a particular viewpoint that maybe isn't reflected elsewhere, they'll simply be bringing in their own opinions that maybe we're not used to seeing.  And because we're not used to seeing them, it makes us feel a bit shocked and surprised because "hey, it's getting better."

 

 

 

But that seems to be an actual legitimate flaw in humans ability of perception then anything sexists, because when you wear head obscuring and body obscuring clothing, it tends to make your body obscured and hard to identify. And because its rare to encounter a situation where its difficult to distinguish genders of individuals, most people assume, thanks to the brains memory of past experience, what would be the more likely gender identifier to use.

 

It's sexist in the fact that people assume male is the default.  It's not really conscious sexism and on the scale of "sexist thoughts and behaviours" it's probably not as explicitly bad as other forms, but I do agree it has problematic elements.  I don't think it's a coincidence that men and women (in my experience) assume that the lack of any obvious sex cues causes people to assume "man."

 

While yes, it's an issue of past experience, an interesting question to me is whether or not our societal experiences are biased in a particular way to manufacture this perspective.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think everyone in the thread should watch this.  It goes along well with Allen's post.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

It's sexist in the fact that people assume male is the default.  It's not really conscious sexism and on the scale of "sexist thoughts and behaviours" it's probably not as explicitly bad as other forms, but I do agree it has problematic elements.  I don't think it's a coincidence that men and women (in my experience) assume that the lack of any obvious sex cues causes people to assume "man."

 

While yes, it's an issue of past experience, an interesting question to me is whether or not our societal experiences are biased in a particular way to manufacture this perspective.

 

If it isn't conscious sexism, non-derogatory, and done simply out of human error, then it isn't sexism imo.

 

It isn't that recent that we've had female soliders or police, and they still make up a small number of combatants even if they are respected and allowed equal opportunity, because there isn't a large percentile of women taking those career paths.

 

I wouldn't fault anyone for making the mistake if they are given zero means of identifying the person identity or to see any sort of characteristics that we use to identify and distinguish each other from one another, for assuming the most common denominator in trying to understand who the person is they are talking to, and to, if necessary, know what to say when trying to communicate with them, so as not to simply address them as "Unidentifiable Entity Whose Presence I Am Now Acknowledging". Humans just do not think this way, the brain is not set up to think in unknown designations for other humans on how we naturally categorize and compartmentalize information our brains receive.

 

Calling people sexist for making such an error while having not provided them enough information to have known better is akin to failing someone on an exam question while also having removed half the sentence they were suppose to read to be able to answer it.

[Mes]

I think everyone in the thread should watch this.  It goes along well with Allen's post.

 

 

Yes I second this, lovely lovely video. 

[Nefla]

I think everyone in the thread should watch this.  It goes along well with Allen's post.

*snip*

Man, you should read some of the retarded sexist comments on it. Actually wait, you shouldn't and I wish I hadn't back when it was posted. I can't keep my mouth shut and got into a drawn out argument.

 

 

What's so bad about having attractive characters wanting to have sex with the main character?

 

I mean....come on. It's not like we're going to pretend that's it nice to have a sexy character from time to time, eh?

 

I mean, would a bunch of sexy dudes wanting to have sex with a main woman character be considered sexist? No. No it wouldn't.

 

This is besides the whole point of this thread. I just feel that criticism of The Witcher 2 is a bit unwarranted.

There's nothing wrong with it IMO, it's just a problem when that's their only purpose in the game. If they're just there as sex objects and not characters then it's sexist. Oversexualization is a different matter and is also a problem to me if every female character in the game is overly sexualized (which many of the women in TW2 were unfortunately) it sends the message "you're just here to be oogled and little to nothing else."

 

I love TW2 by the way and had no problem with women wanting to get into my dirty dirty pantaloons. You can choose to reject them all with the exception of Triss at the very beginning.

 

I think BioWare does an awesome job of treating women like people and not slabs of meat most of the time (looking at you ME2 and 3 cinematics...) they are my favorite company which is why I'm here everyday and not on a different developer forums. I think people just want more of everything they like. More romances, more special combat abilities, more reactivity, etc...