I could never bring myself to kill isolde and connor. Maybe if connor was not in the picture then yes I would. So I have to shamefully admit that I metagamed that part.
What was your first impression of alistair?
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:39
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I remembered getting +2 on the biiitch part which was really a surprise. And I was really trying hard to romance zev for achievement. That will not hapen if he continues being nice to me. Not that I don't like zev, its just that in real life he is not someone I'd go fo romantically but a friend.
Oh, my first impression of Zevran was 'stay away from me, sleazeball!' >.>
But he had some surprising reactions, so I started to talk to him, and found out he's in fact sweet person, just very hurt. In fact, Zev's reactions inspired me to do a research on the male survivors of child abuse (not just sexual) and his reactions fit very well (as much as they can in such a limited space as a fantasy rpg is). In real life, relationship with Zev would be difficult because those issues don't go away with one 'I love you'. It takes years to heal and it requires certain sacrifices from the partner.
Alistair... has potential. Give him ten years, and he'll be a good man. But as he was in the game, he was still just a boy, insecure and confused, to have romantic feelings for him. 
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:42
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Takes about half a minute, except for Zevran whom you have to beat off with a stick from the word go in any case.
Hahaha that's exactly how I feel. And yes I know its about tent time but I couldn't even imagine myself in a relationship with him, how much more tent times. No disrespect to zev fans cuz I really like him and I have friends irl who's almost like him. I fact I love all of my dao companions and miss them when im adventuring somewhere else like eso right now. But every now and them I visit them to get my fix.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:43
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I don't think he disapproves of the "royal bastard" line. Though I should look that up I suppose.
Edit: Actually, that apparently sends him one point in the right direction.
I never get disapproval for that line. There are a few exchanges in there aside from that line which could give you disapproval. That is an approval from him. But by that time, I am usually into the romance which actually triggers a few secret dialogues that you don't get if you aren't in it. But I always say I'm not going to like it. I use the royal bastard line. I say I understand, ask him if he's hiding anything else then say the prince thing is thrilling. I do redcliffe last because I like to just wrap up with the arl/urn bit rather than trek back and for role playing purposes I like it better that he hid it from me while we were in a romance. Later following up on why he didn't tell me the dialogue options are better. He as some much nicer and more telling (regarding his true wants/desires) responses the sooner you get his approval higher or are in a romance with him. I figure if I'm going to do the 'thoughtful gift' thing to get him into that zone I might as well start a little sooner and just use zz_app_debug to get increase of 30 before we even leave ostagar. Then some secret dialogue lines show up that are so much more fitting than the ones they have prior to that. I just role play it that he had a thing for my PC from the minute he saw her, which the dialogue hints at a bit at it when you first meet him. So I run with it for fun now because I did the long version before where I moved up slowly in approval with him but got kind of bored with it. I think for his character, being a chantry virgin/good boy and he's probably in his twenties (mid at least), with that whole wanting to be wanted - needed - cared about aspect along with probably not being exposed to women at all over the years, well it makes it easy to RP that he crushes on you instantly which would increase his approval factor since an instant crush or liking for someone is not neutral at all. So much more fun to play it this way too.
Here's the full dialogue for Redcliffe arrival:
Alistair: Look, can we talk for a moment? I need to tell you something I, ah, should probably have told you earlier.
- What's on your mind?
- I'm not going to like this, am I?
- Let me guess: You're an idiot.
(-5)
- Ha! That sounds suspiciously like sarcasm.
- (Female version) You're cute when you're sarcastic.
(+2) - It wasn't exactly a secret.
- Spit it out, then. (-1)
- Can't it wait?
- You guess so?
- Spit it out, then. (-1)
- I'm not going to like this, am I?
- Then tell me later. (-5) (end)
- Spit it out, then.
- I'm not going to like this, am I?
- Then tell me later. (-5) (end)
- You guess so?
Alistair: The reason he did that was because... well, because my father was King Maric. Which made Cailan my... half-brother, I suppose.
- What?! You don't think you might have told me this before?
- So... you're not just a bastard, but a royal bastard? (+1)
- Doesn't that make you heir to the throne?
- Why did you wait to tell me this?
Alistair: Everyone who knew either resented me for it or they coddled me... even Duncan kept me out of the fighting because of it. I didn't want you to know, as long as possible. I'm sorry.
- I think I understand. (+2)
- I can't believe you were so stupid! (-3)
- You still should have told me.
- Does Loghain know?
Alistair: At any rate, that's it. That's what I had to tell you. I thought you should know about it.
- Are you sure? You're not hiding anything else?
- So I should be calling you Prince Alistair? (+1)
- (Female only) You're a prince. Somehow I find that very... thrilling. (+2) (Romance initiated)
- So I should be calling you Prince Alistair?
- You're the heir to the throne, then?
- Why tell me, then? Why do I need to know?
- We can use this to our advantage, actually.
Alistair: So there you have it. Now can we move on, and I'll just pretend you still think I'm some... nobody who was too lucky to die with the rest of the Grey Wardens.
- Aren't you?
- As you command... my prince.
- That's not really what you think, is it?
- (Female only) You're here with me. I think I'm the lucky one. (Romance initiated)
Note: (If you were at +100 (Warm) with him, this can kick you straight to (Love))
- And what does that make me?
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:51
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@Xetykins:
The 'achievements' have nothing to do with romance - they are purely about tent time. Takes about half a minute, except for Zevran whom you have to beat off with a stick from the word go in any case.
You know, when my Warden fell head over heels with Zev, he offered tent time - and Zev refused, because his approval was too low. 
But, getting it high enough was a matter of a few talks, that's true. Leliana and Morrigan were also easy - be sweet to the first, be pragmatic but not harsh with the second, and you're good.
With Alistair, I had to check the dialouge on wiki, like what starlitegirlx posted, to know what I'm supposed to say. >.>
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 10:06
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You know, when my Warden fell head over heels with Zev, he offered tent time - and Zev refused, because his approval was too low.
With Alistair, I had to check the dialouge on wiki, like what starlitegirlx posted, to know what I'm supposed to say. >.>
I didn't check my dialogues with him most times. It was kind of easy to see what would gain his approval or keep you from disapproval. It seems hard, but basically it all boils down to him being sensitive. Look at his history as you talk to him. They were really pretty good with this I think. Someone with his history would be more sensitive especially if you are romancing him because it's new to him which becomes very clear as you continue the romance. You can joke with him, but always pick something that has zero hint of insult or rejection. Like the royal bastard line. That's actually a sweet joke. Not cruel. My first time I romanced him I was just a sweet mage who felt a bit shy herself being raised in the circle with maybe a few crushes that nothing really ever came of. That PC responded with understanding and sweetness to everything. He was a pushover going that route. Now I care less about approval because I like to test and see what happens. It's funny if you call him whiny about the prince thing then later at the landsmeet when he says Anora is giving him looks - if you say something like 'do you think you could back out' and then 'we could run off together' he brings up the whiny thing. It was awesome! Truly one of his better dialogues but hidden because you have to call him whiny earlier. It totally took me by surprise and was just another reason to love his character and Steve Valentine's great voice work.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 10:17
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It may be.
To make it clear - I don't hate Alistair. But it's usually difficult for me to be a good friend with him. The most approval I had with him, was around 70, and that was because I was thinking about what reply could please him. That's too tiring for me. As a result, my Wardens usually see him and treat him like a 'little brother'. >.>
If you look at it from his history of being rejected by everyone in his life and shipped off so to not be an inconvenience to them... that is basically all you need to know. How would that make a person? Then look at his use of humor. It's all defensive to not show how sensitive he really is. Not a tough guy but a joker who wants to let you think he is less sensitive than he is. Frankly, while I think some of the humor is utterly lame, I appreciate how spot on it is for something with his history because I've worked with people like this who were basically neglected or abused. You can joke with him, but it could go sideways if you aren't careful because it's not really him joking. It's him being protective of his emotions and feelings. Also, you can't be abrupt or insensitive with him at all. It's hard at times to not do that but he'll take it seriously and you'll lose points which is exactly what someone who is like this would do. It's like they are testing to see what you are like - nice or not, caring or not. It's all protective and his dialogue is really interesting in this way because it shows that very well.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 11:52
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"Wait, that super plain looking guy is Alistair? D: "
That was basically my first impression of him XD don't know why, but I expected him to look... different. Still, I couldn't help but love him as soon as I heard his snarky comments towards the mage. And, just few hours later, I was cursing myself for not choosing a female Warden, so that I could romance him D:
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 12:40
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First impressions: funny, and friendly, but I think he disapproved of literally every decision I made... and that got tiresome. I was able to kind of offset it by being good to him at camp, but our working relationship was very lukewarm.
Haven't really changed in that stance. Want to love the guy. If I could harden him without being the antithesis of what I'm telling him he needs to be, he would be alive in my saves as king. I might even use the Keep to retcon his fate, and just imagine that he was hardened by following my Warden's example, but that will depend on how the Fereldan ruler decision is handled in DA:I (big fan of Anora, so if he steals significant screen-time from her, he'll have to stay dead). Good guy, IMO, but... no soldier should be that naiive.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 01:54
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Oh, he will laugh.
And then give you disapproval points. >.>
No he doesn't.
So... you're not just a bastard, but a royal bastard? Approves (+1)
I always have this guy at 100 approval. He is the easiest guy for me to get there. If you are having trouble check his lines at dragon age wiki Alistair/Approval.
My warden always takes the moral high ground and it is easy to score points with Leliana, Wynne and Alistair when you do this.
PS: Sorry this was already covered.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:07
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No he doesn't.
So... you're not just a bastard, but a royal bastard? Approves (+1)
I always have this guy at 100 approval. He is the easiest guy for me to get there. If you are having trouble check his lines at dragon age wiki Alistair/Approval.
My warden always takes the moral high ground and it is easy to score points with Leliana, Wynne and Alistair when you do this.
I don't know why everyone mentiones 'the royal bastard' reply. I was talking about his replies in general. And that is my impression of Alistair - that he jokes about the others, and (rarely) about himself, but takes it badly if someone else makes jokes about him.
Morality of my characters has nothing to do with it. My characters always takes the moral high ground as well and yet he has problem to score points with Alistair... because that's not related at all. Finding someone's humor lacking, or having hard time bonding with him, does not mean you're not moral.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:23
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There's a difference between 'joking' and 'mocking'. Of course he disapproves when you mock him. And some of the options in the 'birthright dialogue' are unneccessary hostile imho.
At topic:
I started with DA2 and that's where I saw him first. I guess his 'I'm Alistair....uhh King of Ferelden'- line kinda intrigued me. The most informal king I ever saw 
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:32
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I don't know why everyone mentiones 'the royal bastard' reply. I was talking about his replies in general. And that is my impression of Alistair - that he jokes about the others, and (rarely) about himself, but takes it badly if someone else makes jokes about him.
Morality of my characters has nothing to do with it. My characters always takes the moral high ground as well and yet he has problem to score points with Alistair... because that's not related at all. Finding someone's humor lacking, or having hard time bonding with him, does not mean you're not moral.
Strange.
I got plus points for the following:
so you said this Arl Eamon raised you?
He will state dogs raised him
Warden: That would explain the smell
Warden: That would explain the breath as well, then.
Warden: Only dream of strangling you
Warden: He wasn't your father? So you know who is?
Warden: What an awful thing to do to a child.
You were young.
This gets me a +5 for a male warden. He does like humor and he uses it to deflect.
He also gives my warden points for helping others. Both female and male wardens have him at 100. To me he can be funny and sensitive.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:33
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Well youre the one who said he cant take a joke about himself and if he does laugh you get - disapproval. And those 2 examples are the ones that were prominent and memorable to me at least. Those 2 were the shockers for me and the last option on the lists I would have thought I'd get a +.
Umm.. does it make sense? Cuz even I dont think I made sense on that paragraph above.
Umm.. does it make sense? Cuz even I dont think I made sense on that paragraph above.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:43
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There's a difference between 'joking' and 'mocking'. Of course he disapproves when you mock him. And some of the options in the 'birthright dialogue' are unneccessary hostile imho.
At topic:
I started with DA2 and that's where I saw him first. I guess his 'I'm Alistair....uhh King of Ferelden'- line kinda intrigued me. The most informal king I ever saw
I agree. The other lines that upset him are wardens that show very little empathy, such as "pull yourself together". It makes sense he doesn't like this because he is sensitive.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:48
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I agree. The other lines that upset him are wardens that show very little empathy, such as "pull yourself together". It makes sense he doesn't like this because he is sensitive.
its was a challenge to say the right things to him if you didnt know in the beginning >.<
true indeed he is a sensitive lovelying character in my opinion ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
i love hearing everyones opinion and how were able to express it so
Express away all
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 02:50
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There's a difference between 'joking' and 'mocking'. Of course he disapproves when you mock him. And some of the options in the 'birthright dialogue' are unneccessary hostile imho.
Lol... In that case, Alistair is also very good at mocking others. Which changes him from an insecure boy who has problem to take jokes into a hypocritic *******. Is that what you want me to think of him? >.>
My first Warden was a mage, who had to be conscripted... he was willing to accept death penalty. So, he arrives to Ostagar. After spending most of his life in the isolation from the world, guarded by Templars, Duncan sends him to meet Alistair. He met him as he was mocking a mage. He found out Alistair was a Templar. Then Alistair asked if Surana was a mage too. Surana asked - quite logically, after what he saw - if Alistair had a problem with his magic... and earned his first -1 disapproval.
Then Alistair asked Surana if he wanted to become a GW. Surana said, No, but it's not as bad as I first thought... and got another -1 disapproval.
Not impressed, he asked if he can prepare for Joining alone... and, guess what - he earned another -1 disapproval!
So then his reaction was like this: http://ventisquear.d...59?_sid=56b6cba
It took him a long time to become friends with Alistair... for more than half of the game, Alistair was 'neutral'. >.>
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 03:00
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Well I never had any problems with him and I do however have probs with zev. I guess people just automatically lines up and get on with whatever attracts you. That means there is someone for everyone!
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 04:04
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"You're not as funny as you think you are"
LOL, that was it.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 04:25
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Well he is still a boy, sort of, raised by the Chantry aka hypocritical zealots. He got out of the Chantry just in time, like Wynne said. I think the warden can have a great impact on Alistairs personality, the one or the other way. He's young and he has yet to learn a lot of life lessons.
Not excusing his flaws, just saying.
Like Xetykins, I never had problems with him, that's just the different ways people play the game.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 06:47
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Lol... In that case, Alistair is also very good at mocking others. Which changes him from an insecure boy who has problem to take jokes into a hypocritic *******. Is that what you want me to think of him? >.>
My first Warden was a mage, who had to be conscripted... he was willing to accept death penalty. So, he arrives to Ostagar. After spending most of his life in the isolation from the world, guarded by Templars, Duncan sends him to meet Alistair. He met him as he was mocking a mage. He found out Alistair was a Templar. Then Alistair asked if Surana was a mage too. Surana asked - quite logically, after what he saw - if Alistair had a problem with his magic... and earned his first -1 disapproval.
Then Alistair asked Surana if he wanted to become a GW. Surana said, No, but it's not as bad as I first thought... and got another -1 disapproval.
Not impressed, he asked if he can prepare for Joining alone... and, guess what - he earned another -1 disapproval!
So then his reaction was like this: http://ventisquear.d...59?_sid=56b6cba
It took him a long time to become friends with Alistair... for more than half of the game, Alistair was 'neutral'. >.>
I always thought that conversation was the mage being a total tool rather than Alistair mocking him. I don't really see how Alistair is mocking him. He just sends a message and that mage gets rude to him about it. There is nothing mocking there until the mage is a jerk whereby Alistair is well within his rights to say he was just bringing a message. If I brought that message and had a mage act like that to me, I'd have told him to stop acting like a idiot as I was only delivering a message and go take his frustrations out on others.
And of course he's not going to respond well to you not wanting to be a warden. He has convinced himself it's awesome. He treats Duncan like family. Thinks of all of this so highly even though deep down it's only just barely better than templars according to him. Yes, it is annoying that you can't give your honest opinion about how you feel without him judging it. That is kind of toolish on his part and not really necessary to lose points for not wanting to be a warden. He wanted it so conscription was fine but he didn't want to be in the chantry so it wasn't fine. Ask him and he says no about wanting to be there. So essentially losing a point there was poorly done. I do agree with that aspect. In some places points are lost for kind of ridiculous stuff. That's the case with him. He can joke with you but you have to be careful with him. Again, this is based on his character. He is very sensitive and humor is a defense mechanism. Annoying at times that he cannot just respond to something without some lame joke following it but at least once romanced that stuff mostly goes away.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 07:10
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"Heh. This guy looks just like the king I just met. I thought Morrowind reused faces, but really? Twice in the same area, one a major character and the other a temporary companion? This game is gonna be confusing! 
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 07:38
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"Heh. This guy looks just like the king I just met. I thought Morrowind reused faces, but really? Twice in the same area, one a major character and the other a temporary companion? This game is gonna be confusing!
You caught that? I missed it.
Did you get suspicious when the king insisted the guy who looked like him sit in a safe place all battle?
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:10
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My first impression was wondering how I make a human face as decent looking. Him and Cailan actually. For the longest time, everything looked like crap. At least young characters. Grizzled is fine.
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Posté 04 avril 2014 - 09:33
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You caught that? I missed it.
Did you get suspicious when the king insisted the guy who looked like him sit in a safe place all battle?
No. I thought the resemblance was sloppy design, and at that point I was really focused on trying to understand the story, lore, and mechanics of the game - I'm not a super!gamer like the rest of y'all, and it takes me a while to remember which key to mash for what. 
And until Flemeth's Hut, after the battle, I had no idea that he would be available as a companion for the duration; he didn't appear to have any significance beyond that of explaining the story, to get my character up to speed on the world and as support for the early learning curve bits... I'd never played a Bioware game before, and I thought DAO would be a solo kind of thing, since that's what I was used to. (Stupid tsm is stupid.)
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