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[Savyar]

One of the things always wondered is why player blood mages can't summon Demons. Enemy blood mages can summon rage demons and shades without becoming Abominations. They don't actually summon in battle but it is implied they did/can. SO I think it would be interesting if you could summon some in battle.  What does everyone else think?

[Nyeredzi]

One of the things always wondered is why player blood mages can't summon Demons. Enemy blood mages can summon rage demons and shades without becoming Abominations. They don't actually summon in battle but it is implied they did/can. SO I think it would be interesting if you could summon some in battle.  What does everyone else think?

EVIL!!! That is EVIL!!!

[BronzTrooper]

Doesn't really matter in Inquisition because demons are pouring through the Veil.  

 

Time to be serious:  You can't control a demon.  Look at what happened when Avernus summoned demons at Soldier's Peak after Arland's men attacked.  The demons started killing everyone in sight and he sundered the Veil.  Unless you have access to the ancient magics that the Dalish have, which allow you to trap demons and (possibly) link them to your life so that if you die they die, you won't be able to control them.  Controlling a mortal being is one thing.  Controlling a demon of any type is a whole different story.

[IAMTHEOVERLORD]

It would be interesting to do. Even if, hell especially if they're hostile to everyone in the area. I loved summoning that big honking demon in Baldur's Gate. It was always a gamble but that added to the fun.

[EmissaryofLies]

A welcome game mechanic. It would have to be offset with something to make it fair though. Like a young Avernus, let's say that you lose control of these demons randomly. Each time you use the ability you're flipping a coin between control and not so control, essentially. It would be fair to the lore and to the specialization. 

[Lillian]

I'm pretty sure there was something about this... Like players can open tears in the fade and summon spirits? I don't know, I just remember that bit of information. Also, Spirit Healers technically summon spirits, or at least their influence.

[LobselVith8]

I'm pretty sure there was something about this... Like players can open tears in the fade and summon spirits?

 

Yeah, I've heard about that, too, which makes me wonder how the Vashoth and Dalish protagonist will react to that, given the Qunari perception about mages that may influence the Vashoth community, and the Dalish prohibition against dealing with any spirits because of their view of them all being dangerous. I wonder if this newfound power of the Inquisitor's is going to be any safer than demonology, which is what Avernus and Uldred practiced.

 

Also, Spirit Healers technically summon spirits, or at least their influence.

 

That's true; it's what makes being a Spirit Healer so dangerous, since it's always a risk to deal with a denizen of the Fade. As the lore reads, "Few mages are watched more closely by the templars than spirit healers. For all the good they can do, their consorting with any denizen of the demon-infested Fade is a matter of intense suspicion. Still, the benefits outweigh the risks, if only just."

[Lillian]

Yeah, I've heard about that, too, which makes me wonder how the Vashoth and Dalish protagonist will react to that, given the Qunari perception about mages that may influence the Vashoth community, and the Dalish prohibition against dealing with any spirits because of their view of them all being dangerous. I wonder if this newfound power of the Inquisitor's is going to be any safer than demonology, which is what Avernus and Uldred practiced.

 

 

That's true; it's what makes being a Spirit Healer so dangerous, since it's always a risk to deal with a denizen of the Fade. As the lore reads, "Few mages are watched more closely by the templars than spirit healers. For all the good they can do, their consorting with any denizen of the demon-infested Fade is a matter of intense suspicion. Still, the benefits outweigh the risks, if only just."

Tal Vashoth protagonists aren't necessarily Qunari, I believe... Are they? I thought I heard something to the contrary. Also, we don't really know how faithful Dalish protags are...

Also, I would love to be able to do demonology with blood magic... So, I hope that's how we can use this power.

 

I might be a little crazy...

[BronzTrooper]

Tal Vashoth protagonists aren't necessarily Qunari, I believe... Are they? I thought I heard something to the contrary. Also, we don't really know how faithful Dalish protags are...

Also, I would love to be able to do demonology with blood magic... So, I hope that's how we can use this power.

 

I might be a little crazy...

 

Tal-Vashoth don't follow the same guidelines as the Qunari, but they still fear magic on the whole.

 

I would like for some Dalish-exclusive spells for the Dalish Inquisitor.  Every class has unique abilities.  Why can't there be unique abilities to the various races in those classes?

[Lillian]

Tal-Vashoth don't follow the same guidelines as the Qunari, but they still fear magic on the whole.

 

I would like for some Dalish-exclusive spells for the Dalish Inquisitor.  Every class has unique abilities.  Why can't there be unique abilities to the various races in those classes?

KEEPER ALLLLL DAYYYYY

Wait, would a human-exclusive spell be slavery-

[Hellion Rex]

Tal-Vashoth don't follow the same guidelines as the Qunari, but they still fear magic on the whole.

Not really. They could have even left the Qun because they don't agree with their views on magic.

[BronzTrooper]

KEEPER ALLLLL DAYYYYY

Wait, would a human-exclusive spell be slavery-

 

Oh, that's a goo-- Wait a second!  

 

Maybe something only a Circle mage would know.  Hmm...  Can you think of anything?

[Lillian]

Oh, that's a goo-- Wait a second!  

 

Maybe something only a Circle mage would know.  Hmm...  Can you think of anything?

No, Circle mages have Enslaved as a sustained ability-

[LobselVith8]

Tal Vashoth protagonists aren't necessarily Qunari, I believe... Are they? I thought I heard something to the contrary. 

 

 

No, the Vashoth don't follow the Qun, and they don't actively fight the Qunari like the Tal-Vashoth do, but I was thinking more along the lines of summoning creatures from the Fade being something that even the Vashoth may frown on.

 

Also, we don't really know how faithful Dalish protags are...

Also, I would love to be able to do demonology with blood magic... So, I hope that's how we can use this power.

 

The developers said the player will determine the protagonist's view on magic, and I'm looking to make a Dalish with traditional views on spirits, since my Surana Warden and apostate Champion were blood mages; this would be a nice change of pace. I'm still following my own tradition of making my canon main character ethnically Antivan, since it's the closest equivalent to Latino I can craft.

 

I might be a little crazy...

 

You came to the right place, then.

[BronzTrooper]

No, Circle mages have Enslaved as a sustained ability-

Ah.  Result of the Templars, perhaps?

[Innsmouth Dweller]

ooooh, demonologist! that would be awesome!

summoning demons and such, i mean! animate dead was kinda lame, but isn't it the same mechanics - bind fade spirit to a real world object?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EVIL!!! That is EVIL!!!

[TheLittleBird]

Well, the Qunari Inquisitor is Vashoth, which means he's never been of the Qun.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I'm thinking the same idea tbh. This sounds like Skyrim Conjuration magic but the DA demons are not really atronachs, you can't really control demon even as a blood mage. But in-game lore doesn't equal gameplay, I'd love to summon the Pride Demon the same way Hawke summons his Mabari dog. It could be useful on higher levels against boss characters.

[Wolfen09]

from what i recall, blood magic only attracts demons, not controls them at least in origins....  now in da2 in merrills case it seems like she can summon them to help, in terms of that one barrier

[LobselVith8]

from what i recall, blood magic only attracts demons, not controls them at least in origins.... now in da2 in merrills case it seems like she can summon them to help, in terms of that one barrier

Demonology allows the control of a spirit (or demon, depending on your cultural perspective). However, you can end up losing control, as Uldred and Avernus did. This seems to be reflected in gameplay as well; the blood mage Champion can use blood magic to control shades, such as in the fight against Corypheus.

[sunnydxmen]

They should have a demon summoning specialization or necromancy.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

They should have a demon summoning specialization or necromancy.

 

Yeah, because that always works out for the best.

[KainD]

I can't be the only one that though

 

[KainD]

from what i recall, blood magic only attracts demons, not controls them at least in origins....  now in da2 in merrills case it seems like she can summon them to help, in terms of that one barrier

 

My god, no. Blood magic does not attract demons.