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[SnakeCode]

Sorry, I thought by calling it a selfish argument you were inferring that anyone who makes it is also selfish. My apologies. 

No apologies needed. I can see how one could read it that way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No apologies needed. I can see how one could read it that way.

Thanks.

[Cankiie]

This convinces me that having Fenris (and characters like him) be gay and bisexual is something we need to do more of.

 

Both gay and straight men can be either masculine or feminine (and it's quite all right for them to be either, as well).

 

I don't hope it convinces you that video games would actually help break these barriers.

 

I never really disagreed with the notion that gay and bisexual males could be masculine, rather than just feminine. Well in some way I guess I did, in the sense that in my experience, gay and bisexual males have a tendency to show far more feminine traits than masculine.

 

Since the subject is so incredibly touchy, I am afraid to validate arguments as being true because appearantly there is a fear of being percieved as feminine, because appearantly to gay men it is bad to be a female? So of course I will now have a harder time to actually believe that the arguments is not just an attempt to seem more masculine, even though what I explain is actually the truth. 

 

But I experience that gay and bisexual males have more, obvious feminin traits than masculine, and the masculine traits tend to be more their appearance, rather than their personality.

 

But as I did mention, me arguing these kinds of things, feminist movements and other more touchy subjects is not really a good idea, not even with you!

[king jacky]

hmmmm interesting

[daveliam]

This convinces me that having Fenris (and characters like him) be gay and bisexual is something we need to do more of.

 

Both gay and straight men can be either masculine or feminine (and it's quite all right for them to be either, as well).

 

I could not agree with this post any more if I wanted to.  Thank you Allan for making this statement. 

[king jacky]

to think some people are mighty and powerful it shows it doesn't matter who or what u love

[Cankiie]

to think some people are mighty and powerful it shows it doesn't matter who or what u love

 

If you are mighty and powerful you can love anyone you want! Everyone will throw themselves at your feet, male and female alike!

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't hope it convinces you that video games would actually help break these barriers.

 

It definitely does.  Maybe not for you, specifically, but I wouldn't think you're the only person that believes this way.  And I do believe that familiarity and exposure to certain ideas can make some people better understanding of them and, hopefully, less uncomfortable.

 

 

 

 

But I experience that gay and bisexual males have more, obvious feminin traits than masculine, and the masculine traits tend to be more their appearance, rather than their personality.

 

When I read this, I get an implicit undertone that part of having a feminine is being attracted to men, and part of having a masculine personality is being attracted to women. I don't believe this is the case.  Do you think this influences your perception of femininity/masculinity?

[AkiKishi]

 Hatred, will explode on these forums  about 'characters not being gay/straight/lesbian/ ect' regardless. I remember, some of the ridicules arguments for traynor to be available for maleshep, and apparently her being nice to mshep= I should be able to bone her..

 

Nothing wrong with wanting to bone her. She should of course have the right to refuse as should any NPC. In Baldurs Gate II romances were fraught with potential failure at every turn. Actually managing to keep Viconia sweet long enough to romance was more challenging than boss fights. 

 

Now romances are simply click the heart till you climax. I think players really need to get over this idea that romance is right.

[king jacky]

so anybody have any ideas if npc are romacebal 

[daveliam]

so anybody have any ideas if npc are romacebal 

Well, we know for sure that Cullen is romanceable and it's looking pretty likely that he's an NPC.  Outside of that, no, we don't know for sure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

so anybody have any ideas if npc are romacebal 

Cullen is announced as an LI, and all evidence points to him being an NPC rather than a companion, so it's pretty likely. 

[SnakeCode]

Nothing wrong with wanting to bone her. She should of course have the right to refuse as should any NPC. In Baldurs Gate II romances were fraught with potential failure at every turn. Actually managing to keep Viconia sweet long enough to romance was more challenging than boss fights. 

 

Now romances are simply click the heart till you climax. I think players really need to get over this idea that romance is right.

The bolded is exactly what I was trying to get at. People don't have the right to date someone just because they like them. Characters have the right to turn the pc down for any reason they wish. "I don't swing that way" is a perfectly valid reason.

[king jacky]

thanks for the info

[daveliam]

The bolded is exactly what I was trying to get at. People don't have the right to date someone just because they like them. Characters have the right to turn the pc down for any reason they wish. "I don't swing that way" is a perfectly valid reason.

 

I do find it a bit odd that people are invoking the "rights" for fictional characters.  Do fictional characters have any rights?  They aren't real.  I think it's an odd way to position the argument.

[king jacky]

why do people keep saying solas is gay or are assuming he is

[Ryzaki]

The bolded is exactly what I was trying to get at. People don't have the right to date someone just because they like them. Characters have the right to turn the pc down for any reason they wish. "I don't swing that way" is a perfectly valid reason.

 

Except that's often never why you get rejected though. Your PC simply can't hit on them at all most of the time.

[Aimi]

why do people keep saying solas is gay or are assuming he is

People have been making a lot of assumptions about a lot of game elements for awhile.

[SnakeCode]

I do find it a bit odd that people are invoking the "rights" for fictional characters.  Do fictional characters have any rights?  They aren't real.  I think it's an odd way to position the argument.

I see what you're saying, it looks odd, but how would you phrase it?

 

People invoke all sorts of things onto these characters, if the answer is always going to be "they aren't real" then why have these discussions at all?

[daveliam]

why do people keep saying solas is gay or are assuming he is

 

We have no information on any of the companions' sexualities.  People are probably assuming that Solas will be bisexual because every elf companion up to this point was a bisexual LI. 

[king jacky]

I feel like solas already has somebody to care for rather then the inqusitioner

[Cankiie]

It definitely does.  Maybe not for you, specifically, but I wouldn't think you're the only person that believes this way.  And I do believe that familiarity and exposure to certain ideas can make some people better understanding of them and, hopefully, less uncomfortable.

 

 

In that case I am indeed not a target, as I mostly feel pretty neutral about acts of love between two same gendered persons. Fenris was a rare case.

 

When I read this, I get an implicit undertone that part of having a feminine is being attracted to men, and part of having a masculine personality is being attracted to women. I don't believe this is the case.  Do you think this influences your perception of femininity/masculinity?

 

 

It was meant more as gay people are more masculine in appearance, they can work out, get big muscles, have short hair. But they would still show more obvious feminine traits when it comes to their personality.

 

Fenris is violently, aggressive. He is blunt. He shows a lack of empathy. Fenris have been made very masculine and not at all as a person that I have experienced any gay or bisexual male as being. They tend to be far more sensitive, they tend to show far more empathy, they tend to be more gentle. There are just certain traits that are typically female and certain traits that are typically male, not necessarily always true, but there is a reason why they typically are one or the other gender and bisexual and gay males tend to have more feminine traits in their personality.

 

So it is definently not just about being attracted to one or another gender than determines femininity or masculinity, I guess I just have a wider accept of that there is infact, typical gender traits. But I won't deny that it is not always necessarily like that, but so far, I have not experienced otherwise.

 

Sidetracked:

 

I also believe a statement was attempted with trying to paint Morrigan as being masculine, which is just not true. Morrigan ended up showing the same care for the warden, if romanced, that is characteristic for a female, she even started wrapping what she actually want to say, into a completely unrelated sentence, not sure how to describe this in english but she basically said: "Tis cold in my tent all alone" where she actually meant "I want to bang you, now" 

[Ryzaki]

Sidetracked:

 

I also believe a statement was attempted with trying to paint Morrigan as being masculine, which is just not true. Morrigan ended up showing the same care for the warden, if romanced, that is characteristic for a female, she even started wrapping what she actually want to say, into a completely unrelated sentence, not sure how to describe this in english but she basically said: "Tis cold in my tent all alone" where she actually meant "I want to bang you, now" 

 

Morrigan doesn't show any more affection for you at the end of her romance than anyone else does. She is very in control of the romance til she reaches the end where she starts backpedaling and ultimately she leaves the Warden (til WH where he can join her).

 

Also Fenris is plenty affectionate near the end of his romance. (I love that puppy eyes scene). Alistair is also plenty affectionate.

 

As for the Tis cold in my tent yeah she was being blatant. What does that have to do with anything?

[Cankiie]

Morrigan doesn't show any more affection for you at the end of her romance than anyone else does. She is very in control of the romance til she reaches the end where she starts backpedaling and ultimately she leaves the Warden (til WH where he can join her).

 

As for the Tis cold in my tent yeah she was being blatant. What does that have to do with anything?

 

"I'll give you this ring, so that I can keep an eye on you" so she'll give me this ring, and doesn't really dare admit that she actually cares. So she cares, but doesn't admit it, which is Morrigan being Morrigan.

 

By the end, when she propose the ritual, she will also mention, if in a romance (Or was) that her feelings for you only makes her try harder to convince you to do the ritual with her, she wants you alive, she don't want you dead.

 

She shows far more affection, but won't really admit that she is actually in love with the warden.... it is kinda cute.

 

As for the last thing. It IS a typical female thing. And again, yes there are exceptions, but there is a reason why I so often use the word typical.

 

I just realised you weren't really arguing whether Morrigan was masculine or not. Which she wasn't.