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So what should I do then? Be one of those who supports insulting and hating the majority? Sorry, I can't do that. I've been subjugated to enough ill will in my life for every reason there is, and will not inflict that onto others. That makes me no better than those who made my life hell.
Be one of the people that tells the majority to stop picking on the minority. Enough people do it and the minority becomes the majority.
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Yes, but the video addresses how baseless and silly the term really is. Real 'Academic' discussion will not use terms like 'white privelaged shitlord', they'll approach arguments with reason, diplomacy and understanding.
The might not use the term "shitlord" but "White Privilege" is indeed a term that exists in Academia.
http://scholar.googl...dt=1,5&as_sdtp=
It refers to the advantages, typically unrecognized, that a white person has (particularly in the West).
People misconstrue the term to mean "Always superior to anyone that is less privileged" or that "Your life can't be bad." This is not true. They all too often assume that the benefits are specifically financial.
To be clear, though, any individual person's life can be awful. There's nothing stopping a white person from having a poorer life than a black person. There's nothing stopping a white person from being poor, bullied, and their life can be complete utterly miserable.
I'm a straight white male that feels that he receives certain benefits in life simply because of that. I can openly express love to a partner with very minimal concern over whether or not people will judge me. This is a privilege that I have over many gay people. I'm more likely to come away with a warning when I make a minor violation that draws the attention of police. This is an advantage I have over First Nations (speaking contextually, within Edmonton area). I can get a job and it's less likely that people will think I got it based on my physical attractiveness. This is an advantage I have over women.
This does not mean that I will never be judged for expressing affection. This does not mean that I will never be given a citation by the police. This does not mean that I will never be assumed to have gotten a job because of how attractive I am.
This does not mean that a gay person cannot have even better success than I have at expressing affection without judgment. This does not mean that a First Nations individual cannot have better luck getting out of tickets than me. This does not mean that a woman can have better success than me at avoiding assumptions that her attractiveness factored in to getting a job than me.
It does mean that I think it's appreciably less likely however, when looking at the two groups as a whole.
A lot of people suffer through pain in their life. On any individual case, any person can suffer completely earth shattering amounts of pain and suffering. I've certainly suffered pain in my life, much of it a result of my brother being killed when I was 13 and the bouts of suppression and a complete failure on developing appropriate coping mechanisms. I had zero coping mechanisms with failure and when my depression was now causing me to fail in public ways (i.e. out of University) and a support network that had collapsed upon itself (including a woman that shared a mutual hate with me literally told me I wouldn't be missed if I killed myself - culminating with me standing on the wrong side of a bridge railing at 3 AM wondering if a gust of wind would help me make my decision) and a host of other very unpleasant times in my life. Fortunately, I'm at a place now in my life where I confidently state that I am content happy. Though I do have some particularly unique challenges such as people typically judging me for not being married and other things like that, I am in a stage (thankfully) where my life is going along a path I am happy with now.
As a white man, it doesn't mean that I'm immune to pain. It doesn't mean I automatically am always better than other people that aren't white men. Depending on the degree of intersectionality, however, perhaps aspects of my life when I was down, and my recovery, could have played out differently.
While growing up, when we teased the kids we didn't like by calling them gay... they were never making fun of my sexuality. I was hardly immune to the sexual awkwardness of growing up, but I never had to fear being ostracized (further) because I happened to find boys attractive instead of girls. When we made fun of natives and called them names, I was never exposed to the harassment that would come from not being white in my community. Upon my return to University, I had no problems hanging out in a building that was 95% male - I didn't have to deal with the same guy asking me out every day for a single semester (this literally happened to a friend of mine).
I realize that race is almost never an issue in my life. Sex/gender is almost never an issue in my life. My sexual orientation is... I think simply never, been an issue in my life. Because of this, it can be misguided of me to treat people similar to myself, because it could mean treating someone who has had race be a serious issue in their life as though it wasn't an issue. It could mean treating someone who has had sex/gender issues in their life as though it wasn't an issue. It could mean treating someone who has had sexual orientation issues in their life as though it wasn't an issue in their life.
Most of my privilege is manifested in my ignorance and being oblivious to things being in a way that I don't think they are. It meant that I was the guy arguing that 3 straight women and 1 straight man was a reasonable breakdown of romances in Baldur's Gate 2. It meant that some guy being snarky at me for using ****** as a short form for Japanese meant I got on the defensive and challenged that I did anything wrong because I didn't intend to be racist! To the point where I was almost arguing I should still be allowed to use the term despite it being pointed out because dammit, I wasn't wrong.
I'd say my life has been pretty good to me. I'm grateful for that, and that even though I had some seriously tough patches 15-20 years ago, I can comfortably say I'm happy now.
But for all the badness I was experiencing when I was younger, I realize now that there's a good chance that it would have been worse if I also had to deal with the challenges of being First Nations. There's a good chance it would have been worse if I wasn't cisgendered. There's a good chance it wouldn't be as good if I was not a man. Not guaranteed. But I do think that those traits tend to stack the deck in subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, ways against people.
Until a few years ago, I was very oblivious to all of this. I'm less so now, and also have a lot more sounding boards and relationships with people willing to help me by providing perspective. I also recognize that if I come down hard on people, it can be interpreted as just another example of a cisgendered, straight white male imposing his power. It's actually possibly a valid critique (though I'm probably not qualified to make it, necessarily, since we're often poor judges of our own wrong doings). So I do actually try to touch base with people (often a lot...) to provide a check on my power. I touch base with others and go "am I misreading this?" and so forth.
It does mean, however, that I don't see a lesbian celebrating that Sera is a lesbian as equivalent to a straight man celebrating that Cassandra is straight. You might think that I'm not being fair here, but I feel when analyzed within the greater cultural perspective of where we are right now as a group of societies, the celebrating can come across very differently. No, that doesn't mean that lesbians have carte blanche to harass other people. But it does mean that I'll have more empathy for lesbians, on the whole, that are denied Cassandra than I will for straight men that are denied Sera. As such, the expressed disappointment I frame within that context.
As a guy (who happens to have learned that Sera is awesome!) sure it's disappointing. But it's not a constant thing that I have had to endure in my video games and my entertainment consumption. For me, it's a rarer anomaly for a romance to exist that isn't for me. For a lesbian that happens to find Cass super interesting, it's yet another case of being denied something that they'd prefer.
Same goes with female/male representation and why I have much less concern for men that feel slighted because showing female protagonists than I will of women being slighted because of showing male protagonists. They aren't equal and for a guy to get upset at that demonstrates a lack of perspective and empathy towards another human being that typically doesn't get the same amount of content focus as he does.
So when I hear discussions about how we need to make sure that we're still stroking the needs and speaking in a way that the privileged group has, it comes across as a tone argument and often belies speaking and acting in a way that maintains the status quo. As a part of that privileged majority, I do feel that if I can come to grips with the fact that a more equitable distribution of content isn't cause to get upset, I am reasonably confident others can too.
It's also why I get uncomfortable when people co-opt terms. Seeing someone suggest that now that LGBT people are getting what they want (note, LGBT people want what straight people have already been getting, so this isn't special treatment), now we can focus on the specific needs of the majority (or something). Though realistically, if we're speaking in terms of fairness, getting LGBT to the place where they're getting the same as straight is reasonably fair. I support LGBT representation because LGBT people are routinely targeted for that trait. Someone advocating, for instance, more blond haired women to romance on the basis of representation is something that falls flat and, to me, devalues the term "representation."
Anyways, it's late and I have physio tomorrow, so I'll check in again tomorrow.
Well I guess I misunderstood too. A lot of my context comes from this post which reads to me as a deference to not anger the majority, because if it came to a fight the majority would win based on numbers. That is, in order to make the majority support us, we must appease the majority, which isn't something I agree with. It seems I have misunderstood you though? If so then I apologize as well.
The primary reason why, in that thread, I was not in favour of framing it as a justice/representation issue (instead of simply an issue that someone would like to see) was because I felt that the terms were inequitable. That is, there isn't a moral imperative to include marriage in the game, yet there is one to include LGBT content. That some (not you) were also suggesting that because LGBT got what they asked for, this should be something that should be considered now, framed it as some sort of quid pro quo when the reality is that LGBT content is now being put on a more equitable level with straight content.
Is there a disagreement that the points are equitable? Because I do think that, on the merits of social justice, they are not the same. The situation becomes complicated because while someone like me values marriage, it's something I'm quite content to not be included in video games (I don't mind if it is, either). It's something that I think is fair to leave up to the creative people making the game, and not a bad thing if it's not included.
Dragon Age 2 for example...
Now this tread trait us like if we were villians just because Mario is straight. I pointed that I felt alienated in this topic just because i'm interested in women and not in any men. What makes worse is that every straight person that comes here without planning to attack or be attacked is either bashed or provoked like if this place was bikini bottom instead of BSN.
I was furious about "anders" in dragon age 2, specially since they just turned him bi and used a non existent character to plot hole his prefferences, i feel that the character was not only bastardized but also raped to please a bunch of cruel short sighted fangirls who don't give a dime about any character and just want yaoi.
If you feel alienated by this topic, I am curious why you entered it? What were you expecting the topic to contain?
Furthermore, if you feel alienated by this topic, how do you think a gay person might feel by an abundance of discussions (not just here) that focus much more on straight relationships? Can you understand, then, that you coming in here and saying this thread alienates you can be frustrating? Must every thread be comfortable and about content you want?
I'm a straight man, and this thread does not alienate me. I'm also a heterosexual that is present in this thread and is not being attacked. What's the difference between you and I? I'm skeptical that people are only nice to me because I have BioWare under my name.
Note: much of the language you use in your post is completely unacceptable.... This is a warning.
Lol. I laughed.
Many games from Nintendo or Sega have "bi and gay" content, some of them more, some of them less. Even Super Mario Bros (!). As far as I recall, in Metal Gear Solid there also have been some characters like this, bi Vamp for example. Even in Assassin's Creed such content is present. There are plenty of games that contain some references to sexuality.
So, yeah, I feel overwhelmed. And probably plenty of people feel that too.
I am not dealing with that fact. I am bombarded with it. I do accept gays and bis, but I have got a feeling that now straight people are getting less important. Everyone is equal, really.
You seem to be of the opinion that the mere existence of the content constitutes being "bombarded" with it.
What level of content is acceptable, and at what point is it being bombarded? Can you quantify it in some way?
Is it really losing an option when it was intended that way from the start? If they had started with Sera and Dorian as straight and then changed them to gay, I would agree it was a loss. Here they were gay from the start.
If you look at it from the standpoint of opportunity cost, then yeah. If we had put the effort into some other type of content that wasn't gay content, then it's something that would still be perceived as intended to be enjoyed by straight gamers.
I say this with a caveat in that straight gamers can definitely enjoy LGBT content.
It's how real world works
The real world also contains bisexual individuals that don't appear to be bisexual simply by hearing what they say nor even see whom they date.
Bioware has already stated that because the N is so low for any given game, they are not concerned with a "realistic" representation of LGB people. Allan has stated that in numerous posts and I believe David has as well. They want to offer all players choice, which means that in any given game, there will have to be options for both gay men and lesbian women. If there are only going to be 4-8 romances, it means that there needs to be at least 50% of the characters who are LGB in order to offer that choice to all players. This is their stance. It's not going to change.
Yes, the amount of LIs is so low that they could ALL be gay and I wouldn't consider it "unrealistic" when looking at a population distribution because it's not like we're polling the rest of Thedas on their sexual orientation.
The arbitrary nature of making a fixed number of love interests is significantly less realistic, but that's not going to change because of constraints imposed by game design.
Well, for pansexual I always saw it as like bisexual where there is physical attraction from near the beginning.
As a heterosexual I'm not sure if physical attraction is the basis for my sexuality. It's not impossible for me to feel a particular man is more attractive than a particular woman, but there's no sexual connotations associated with accepting that someone may be pleasant looking.
I have, however, had sexual attraction with people that I didn't initially have. Often it evolves out of some other type of relationship. Not always. I don't think that heterosexuality mandates that I find a person physically attractive to start. It only mandates that the person has to be of the opposite sex. The reasons it manifests vary case by case.
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