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Not necessarily. I think I've said it once, but there is a reason why I use words such as 'typical' 'tend to' 'often' and that is because there is always exceptions to the rules when discussing anything that have with people to do.
Where did you pick those rules ?
Where did you pick those rules ?
Are you trying to fire up the discussion again?
Exception to the rule.
If you had in any way followed the discussion, then I percieved gay and bisexual males as being people who had more obvious feminin traits than they had masculine, not judging physical appearance, but their personalities. This is because I have my shortage of experience with that community, and that leaves me largely ignorant, possibly.
With my short experience with said community, I have developed a sort of image of how the gay and bisexual male community acts, based on what I have seen in gay and bisexual males.
To further explain the subject, I did not see the same things in Fenris, and therefor it felt awkward to me that he could possibly be gay. It didn't exactly feel wrong, but I definently did not expect it and wouldn't expect someone like him to be gay had he actually had the choice himself and was he not a video game character, again, based solely on my own experience.
So you can see, this rule is about social norms, which I personally have created after meeting a few people from the mentioned community, and I wouldn't go as far as to invalidate the possibility, that there are exceptions to this social norm.
Therefor, an exception to the rule of the social norm.
An exception to the rule.
I do not see the need to fire up the discussion, I have admitted that my point of view is possibly, largely flawed, if not completely flawed. I would not know the full extend of it, unless I decide to actually go out and meet many more from said community, which probably won't happen anyway, so my point of view can likely be percieved as being completely flawed.
Please don't force me to explain myself a third time. It will just be longer.
Please don't force me to explain myself a third time. It will just be longer.
Your wall of text doesn't explain anything.
You keep saying "exception to the rule" WHAT RULE ? Who decided there was a rule and who diecided what is consisted of, based on what evidence collected by what person ?
You have NOTHING...oh wait you have:
With my short experience with said community, I have developed a sort of image of how the gay and bisexual male community acts, based on what I have seen in gay and bisexual males.
Yeah, right, who are you to decide for the others, and who are you to claim there's laws ?
Your wall of text doesn't explain anything.
You keep saying "exception to the rule" WHAT RULE ? Who decided there was a rule and who diecided what is consisted of, based on what evidence collected by what person ?
You have NOTHING...oh wait you have:
Yeah, right, who are you to decide for the others, and who are you to claim there's laws ?
Oh dear.
Again.
Did I not just explain in that exact post, why exactly my point of view is faulty?
Why it is flawed.
I will contradict what I wrote earlier and make it shorter than I otherwise would have, but it only seems to fire you up more.
I have had a very short amount of experience with gay and bisexual males, this means that I happened to develope an image of how said community would normally behave, because I have seen similar traits in all of these gay and bisexual people that I have met.
This have lead to me percieving these kinds of gay and bisexual people as being the social norm within that community.
Which is why I now also admit that my perception is more likely to be flawed, because I have only met so many within that community and definently not enough to validate it as being a social norm.
This social norm was my own image, based on nothing but my own experiences with only a short amount of gay and bisexual males.
What I am telling you, right now is; I can't claim anything, atleast not currently, the idea that bisexual and gay males tend to have more obvious female traits than masculine, is a wrong perception.
This is what I am explaining to you. I was in the wrong, get over it.... I have.
Oh dear.
Again.
Did I not just explain in that exact post, why exactly my point of view is faulty?
Why it is flawed.
I will contradict what I wrote earlier and make it shorter than I otherwise would have, but it only seems to fire you up more.
I have had a very short amount of experience with gay and bisexual males, this means that I happened to develope an image of how said community would normally behave, because I have seen similar traits in all of these gay and bisexual people that I have met.
This have lead to me percieving these kinds of gay and bisexual people as being the social norm within that community.
Which is why I now also admit that my perception is more likely to be flawed, because I have only met so many within that community and definently not enough to validate it as being a social norm.
This social norm was my own image, based on nothing but my own experiences with only a short amount of gay and bisexual males.
What I am telling you, right now is; I can't claim anything, atleast not currently, the idea that bisexual and gay males tend to have more obvious female traits than masculine, is a wrong perception.
This is what I am explaining to you. I was in the wrong, get over it.... I have.
This could be because the lgbt community is not actually an accurate representation of every lgbt person or even the majority of them. Many of us are not particularly involved in it. Some people even reject it because of the fact that it is somewhat stereotypical.
I don't agree with the anti stereotypes crowed because allot of them blame and condemn other gay people for homophobia, Just because they happen to fit some stereotype.The fact that they do exist does indicate that the stereotypes about the lgbt are quite wrong though, not every gay person advertises that part of themselves or even sees it as that important.
The reason why the LGBT community is the way it is is complicated, allot of it is to do with past activism being about celebrating being different, isolating ourselves from the rest of society and encouraging a certain way of being. It's not a bad thing but it's not accurate and it is changing and the separationist ideals are fading away.
If you are looking for stereotypical aspects in a group of people then you may find them more easily and be less inclined to notice those who do not have those traits. Everyone's personality is unique and nobody is 100% anything in the way they behave,
People rarely guess that I am gay and only ever have done after getting to know me well (if I haven't already said so or made it clear in some way) but I could probably think of several gay stereotypes I fit into. Allot of that is to do with the fact that I try not to let society dictate the way I behave or who I am so I have no problem with seeming different but then I know straight people who are also like this.
Just to note (coming from the guy that works for a studio that is making set sexuality romanceable characters), in our games you intrinsically cannot date any character that you wish.
You're only ever afforded the opportunity to romance a VERY limited number of characters in our game.
Can you list the ones that can't be romanced in DA2? Then list those who can or even try when you don't try to romance them? I bet the first list will be shorter than the second. And Carver/Bethany doesn't count as that would have just been plain sicko romancing little brother/little sister. Now if you were making a Game of Thrones game, I guess you'd have to go there.
ME3 with all the flaws handled the romance situation better and more realistic than DA2.
And wasn't the tag line about romancing in DA2 "everyone is available to everyone" or some such thing? Saying "VERY limited number" kind of goes against that.
I swear to Kobol, if i read 'realistic' one more time.
I swear to Kobol, if i read 'realistic' one more time.
I just loved it when Gaider blew that argument straight to hell.
Annoying when bisexuality is seen as unrealistic
Meanwhile boning a girl who might have a fatal reaction to your germs is realism. *facepalms*
Not enough facepalms in the world.
Meanwhile boning a girl who might have a fatal reaction to your germs is realism. *facepalms*
Not enough facepalms in the world.
Can you list the ones that can't be romanced in DA2? Then list those who can or even try when you don't try to romance them? I bet the first list will be shorter than the second. And Carver/Bethany doesn't count as that would have just been plain sicko romancing little brother/little sister. Now if you were making a Game of Thrones game, I guess you'd have to go there.
Okay.
Those who can be romanced: Anders, Fenris, Isabela, Merrill, Sebastian, the prostitutes at the Rose, and Zevran.
Those who can't be romanced: Aveline, Varric, Meredith, Orsino, Cullen, Athenril, Fenriel, Marethari, Thrask, Grace,..., every guard, every citizen, every Templar, every mage, and every Dalish.
Care to tell us again how you can romance more people than you can't?
Meanwhile boning a girl who might have a fatal reaction to your germs is realism. *facepalms*
Or boning a woman who's mentally unstable and boom, somewhat got cured bc someone shoved a d!ck in her.
Okay.
Those who can be romanced: Anders, Fenris, Isabela, Merrill, Sebastian, the prostitutes at the Rose, and Zevran.
Those who can't be romanced: Aveline, Varric, Meredith, Orsino, Cullen, Athenril, Fenriel, Marethari, Thrask, Grace,..., every guard, every citizen, every Templar, every mage, and every Dalish.
You know why it's not 'realistic'? Because there is no harem available for the straight dudes.
Or boning a woman who's mentally unstable and boom, somewhat got cured bc someone shoved a d!ck into her.
Jack and Tali?
Or boning a woman who's mentally unstable and boom, somewhat got cured bc someone shoved a d!ck in her.
You know why it's not 'realistic'? Because there is no harem available for the straight dudes.
But that's how it works yo! Love cures all don't you know? *rubs temples*
Thats seen as ok cos of Msheps magic d*ck i guess
indeed. It has very mighty powers.
But that's how it works yo! Love cures all don't you know? *rubs temples*
Actually more like "D!ck cures all".
Meanwhile boning a girl who might have a fatal reaction to your germs is realism. *facepalms*
Not enough facepalms in the world.
The quarians are just all sorts of biology fail.
Damn, I never realized how bad some of the female LIs had it, since I only played a Male Shep that romanced Kaidan in ME3.
Actually more like "D!ck cures all".
XD it's the best cure though don't you know 
solves insecurity issues, physical issues and emotional issues in one fell swoop.
The quarians are just all sorts of biology fail.
Honestly that's 70% of the reason I side with the geth. The Quarians as a race just....no. Then they made it worse and retconned them so Shep could screw Tali and didn't realize the implications that had on the entire race.
So apparently their lazy asses could've adapted to a new environment in a handful of years and they didn't cause they were so busy crying over their homeworld. Just...ugh.
Did BioWare think people would lose their sh!t if it was a chaste romance?
Then again flirt four times and get a sex scene is just what they do.
My Shep was gay and never put his genitals near a lady and they all turned out ok. His genitals did not make them better people and this forum just got really foul and angry. Unless the penis posts are supposed to be funny. (they're not funny)
I agree. I get their anger, but there is no good reason for them to be mean about it.
My Shep was gay and never put his genitals near a lady and they all turned out ok. His genitals did not make them better people and this forum just got really foul and angry. Unless the penis posts are supposed to be funny. (they're not funny)
Same. I had a great friendship with most of the ladies as a gay Shep: I loved Liara, Miranda, and Jack. Hated Tali and Ashley.
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