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I'm saying she is not a defined sexuality, whether heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. She is sexually ambiguous. The player can only interpret it, thus technically playersexual because the sexuality is up to the player's imagination.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. To me, if a character is romanceable by both male and female PCs and doesn't say, "I'm straight" to opposite sex PC's and "I'm gay" to same sex PC's, I assume that they are bisexual versus playersexual. YMMV
I've lost track of the argument. In the universe you're currently playing in, Merrill's attracted to your Hawke if -- and AFAIK only if -- you've hit a "heart" icon or two. What does this prove about Merrill, again?I don't assume she is gay in another universe since I don't assume there are other universes at all. There is just the one I am currently playing.
According to the Williams Institue of law,
Yeah but here's the thing: the number of people who "use" same-sex romances in games often has nothing to do with the actual number of LGBT people in society. Players can and do check out the same-sex content despite not being gay or lesbian themselves.
In his GDC talk David Gaider said that up to 24% of people had played a same-sex romance with one particular character. This is not an insignificant number.
They *do not* need to rely on statistics about LGBT players to know that many Dragon Age players already use s/s content.
Because I never want any kind of media--especially one that has built a reputation on inclusion--to send the signal that a "no ******" button is okay. Queer characters should be walking around just like queer people walk around in the real world. Even if the player chooses not to interact with them, not to romance them, not to go anywhere near them, they should not be able to press a button and make them all disappear.
The bisexual LIs of DA2 may effectively work the same, in that a straight character can be oblivious to their orientations and pretend they are straight. But they are still canonically bisexual. Their bisexuality does not disappear if you play as straight. They still exist.
Firstly, your username is fantastic.
Secondly, yeah I agree. Even if someone proposes a toggle with the best intentions, and only in the sense of "let's allow people to customise the game in the way they like"...
... it's still a terrible idea. The message it sends is that filtering same-sex characters from media is okay, that the developer is prepared to buckle under the pressure of the (frankly, homophobic) segment of the fanbase that wants a toggle to remove LGBT characters, and that the studio really thinks it should invest time and resources in deliberately removing content that people find objectionable. They do not do this with violence, slavery, racism, adult themes or horror.
It would be a PR disaster. They will not do it.
The perception of something is as important as the intention. Even if it were done with the best reasons, giving people a way to filter same-sex content can and would be seen as giving in to demands from immature people.
Yeah but here's the thing: the number of people who "use" same-sex romances in games often has nothing to do with the actual number of LGBT people in society. Players can and do check out the same-sex content despite not being gay or lesbian themselves.
In his GDC talk David Gaider said that up to 24% of people had played a same-sex romance with one particular character. This is not an insignificant number.
They *do not* need to rely on statistics about LGBT players to know that many Dragon Age players already use s/s content.
This is true. I do all the romances of all orientations, play all the races and do all the things. It is known.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. To me, if a character is romanceable by both male and female PCs and doesn't say, "I'm straight" to opposite sex PC's and "I'm gay" to same sex PC's, I assume that they are bisexual versus playersexual. YMMV
But that's metagaming. I thought we couldn't metagame. 
I'm done. Just wanted to end on a light note. 
Point out where it is stated that Fenris and Merrill are canonically bisexual please?
The fact that they will be with you whether you are male or female makes them canonically bisexual.
this thread is going to close down it things don't cool off.
this thread is going to close down it things don't cool off.
Eh, it's not too out of hand, actually. It ebbs and flows, but I think in general, most people are staying pretty respectful (and the ones who don't seem to have mostly left? Or at least we haven't heard anything from them in a few pages now).
To keep it on topic though... which companion do you folks think/hope is will be the gay/ lesbian options?
Me, I think probably DHMG or Solas will be gay, and I HOPE Vivienne will be gay, but that's mostly wishful thinking.
Edit: I also hope there will be at least one gay/bi companion who isn't a romance. 
We've had lots of straight companions-- it'd be cool to have some non-straight, non-LI companions too this time around. 
Eh, it's not too out of hand, actually. It ebbs and flows, but I think in general, most people are staying pretty respectful (or just disappearing).
To keep it on topic though... which companion do you folks think/hope is will be the gay/ lesbian options?
Me, I think probably DHMG or Solas will be gay, and I HOPE Vivienne will be gay, but that's mostly wishful thinking.
Desperately hoping that Vivienne and Cassandra will be available for a female Inquisitor. I'm sure we'll get one or the other, but I really pray for both. 
^.^ I don't care as long as they keep then within the characters established background example Cullen, it would be out of character for him to be gay. Why in DA:O he is only interested in females but other then that I don't really care what they do.
^.^ I don't care as long as they keep then within the characters established background example Cullen, it would be out of character for him to be gay. Why in DA:O he is only interested in females but other then that I don't really care what they do.
I agree it'd be weird if he ended up gay given his past interest in the female mage warden, but i wouldn't be surprised if Cullen ended up being a bisexual LI.
Still, I'd rather get DHMG, Solas or Beardy McGrey Warden than Cullen. But that's just my preference. I know a lot of people love Cullen, so I hope for their sake he is a bisexual LI.
it would be interesting to see how they would pull that off.
(how do I get the quote box T.T)
it would be interesting to see how they would pull that off.
(how do I get the quote box T.T)
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Desperately hoping that Vivienne and Cassandra will be available for a female Inquisitor. I'm sure we'll get one or the other, but I really pray for both.
This, totally this. I'm not sure we'll get one or the other yet but I really hope we get at least one and both Vivienne and Cassandra would be brilliant
I hope for Iron Bull as the gay LI T_T and Vivienne for the lesbian LI. F/F doesn't normally interest me much, but I imagine stunningly fashionable Lady Inquisitor and Vivienne would have the coolest romance 
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thanks, other then Cassie I don't know much about the other companions so I have no opinion on them.
I really want to play a gay Inquisitor and become BFFs with lesbian Vivienne. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but I think that'd be awesome. Especially if she helps me improve my (inevitably terrible) fashion sense.
The playersexual thing came about because the idea was to give all players access to more than one romantic choice.It's stated in an article.
"I understand there are some people who prefer the idea of being able to romance any character who is able to be romanced, with any [playable character]. That may have been a happy by-product of the system in DA2, for them, but that was not its purpose. Its purpose was to allow more than one option for every type of player, no matter who they were. That remains our goal".
I don't think you can count being raped as part of someone's sexuality. If a straight guy is raped by a guy, I wouldn't call the victim bisexual.
Merrill had nothing. She was the virgin romance option, like Alistair in Origins.
I thought Alistair was an institustionalised homosexual. IE one that is homosexual because of enviroment (like prison). Blame a public school upbringing I guess.
The playersexual thing came about because the idea was to give all players access to more than one romantic choice.It's stated in an article.
"I understand there are some people who prefer the idea of being able to romance any character who is able to be romanced, with any [playable character]. That may have been a happy by-product of the system in DA2, for them, but that was not its purpose. Its purpose was to allow more than one option for every type of player, no matter who they were. That remains our goal".
Yeah - but they've said that they can accomplish this goal (of allowing more than one option for every type of player) in DA:I without needing to make four bisexual characters, presumably because there will be more LIs. Some of the LIs will supposedly be exclusively straight/gay/lesbian.
I believe DA2 was more of a reaction to DA:O - where the only s/s options were Zevran and Leliana - but without an adequate budget, or perhaps time, to do multiple sexualities the fairest solution was to make what some call "playersexual" characters. That guaranteed everybody had at least two options, rather than just one.
Now that they do have money, and do have more time, I believe the intention is to have characters with a range of sexualities, which will be relevant and part of their character regardless of whether you actually romance them.
I thought the DA2 LI arrangement was brought through a combination of wanting to keep the romance content small (ie, only having 4 LIs) and wanting to give the gay-Hawkes a choice of partners.
In theory I do personally approve of a 2/2/2 str/bi/gay LI situation, but the issue there is that's 6 possible romances (or 8 if you count the bi content as 2 each), which is a lot of content for a feature which is, after all, optional. But since they seem to have spent a lot of time and resources on Inquisition, here's hoping...
I don't think it was "wanting" to keep the romance content small, as much as they were forced to do so by budget and time constraints. But we probably will never know the reason, since it relates to DA2's budget and time problems in general.
It might be meaningful that when given the chance to do a much "bigger" game in Inquisition, the team decided to go with set sexualities and presumably more LIs in total - which still satisfies the goal of giving everyone more than one option.
But this is not at all what I suggested.Well, I wouldn't call it the worst suggestion in the world, but it's a pretty bad one. I'll try to demonstrate with the most artless example I can think of: How about a toggle button in a game like Mass Effect (so we can abstract away from considerations of lore and whatnot) which, when enabled, makes it the case that characters of African descent who would otherwise hit on you no longer do so. I hope it's pretty obvious that this would be a very bad idea. The moral of the story is that even the act of simply enabling options isn't always innocent; it's sending implicit messages about what kinds of player preferences are legitimate or illegitimate that Bioware may not want to send.
To me it would appear to act just like the gender toggle. You select male, you get one version of the NPC, Select female you get another.
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