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[daveliam]

Yeah, the problem with using those statistics from ME is that you are comparing apples to oranges.  Of course Cortez had a small portion of the romance.  He was an NPC who just showed up in the 3rd game.  That game had two previous games where people were importing romances.  Most players brought a romance with them from one of the prior games, so I'm not surprised to see that he was that low.  Compare him to Ashley, a squad member who had been in all three games, and it's not surprising to see that he is below the others.

 

To be honest, 5% isn't really all that bad.  Considering that there were 12 LIs in ME3, if you split them even (which of course you wouldn't because of my point above), you would expect them to each have about 8.5%.  So the fact that Cortez was able to get 5% in spite of being a m/m NPC who just showed in game three is pretty impressive, now that I think of it.

[Stelae]

Uh-huh.  Two characters that Bioware had to confirm about.  And look at the whole plethora of non-PC gay characters in DA2.  Such as Karl and...um....errr....

 

And they totally don't ignore LI staticstics or anything.  Jacob and Thane were unpopular romances and they totally gave them great romance arcs, obviously.  And gay Male Shepard was totally thought about.  That's why we had to wait until the last game in the trilogy to actually get anything.

Bioware had to confirm them as a couple?  You have to be frelling kidding me!  Man, some people's kids are dumb. 

 

I didn't say the ignored the statistics, I said they don't just base their decisions on them.  Neither did I say they always got it right; of *course* it was appalling that there was no m/m option for Shep in the first two games.  But they seem to be getting better with each game, and they base their casting and LI decisions on attempting, at least, to be inclusive. 

 

(Also, Thane was unpopular?  News to me.  News to the hundreds of players, artists and fanfic writers who lobbied for Thane's survival, too.  But the numbers made no difference there.)

[Karach_Blade]

Gay transman here with my two coppers: 

 

I'm totally cool with having a bi or gay male love interest as the m/m option. Sure it would be nice to have an exclusively gay male, as long as he is not just there for eye candy and has an actual backstory. I want LIs who are PEOPLE first, orientations secondary.

[efd731]

^^^ proper characters instead of just "I want X" .
Also, playersexual characters work best. No one loses anything, we all get to make our pixelated underlings go sploosh. Everyone wins.(except cullenites)

[Battlebloodmage]

^^^ proper characters instead of just "I want X" .
Also, playersexual characters work best. No one loses anything, we all get to make our pixelated underlings go sploosh. Everyone wins.(except cullenites)

A lot of Cullen people wouldn't mind. As a matter of fact, some of them would want to romance him as a dude.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Only if you come from the viewpoint that getting anything less than 100% doesn't count as a gain at all.

Well, by definition both sides are sacrificing some of what they want to get the rest of it. Collaboration is the only win-win type of situation. Then again this is the Communications class talking. 

[tmp7704]

Well, by definition both sides are sacrificing some of what they want to get the rest of it. Collaboration is the only win-win type of situation. Then again this is the Communications class talking.

But it's important to note that "sacrifice" involves giving up on something they merely _wanted_ and didn't have in the first place. If I have no apples and want 6, but in the end "compromise" and receive 5, then that's still a gain for me compared to the starting point.

In certain situations collaboration simply isn't an option -- e.g if you have certain amount of resources (say, food) that need to be divided between group of people, it's physically not possible to give everyone the entire stack, no matter how much each of them may desire it, and how much they collaborate on that task. But as long as in the end everyone gets some of it and winds up somewhat fed instead of part of the group winding up dead out of hunger, that can be viewed as a win for everyone involved, even though they may be upset they didn't get the exact thing they wanted (the whole stack) It boils down to what one defines as their "win" condition.

[efd731]

A lot of Cullen people wouldn't mind. As a matter of fact, some of them would want to romance him as a dude.

I was just making a joke because some I had (incorrectly) assumed Greg Ellis was trolling on the twitter thread.

[Lyria]

I think this would be a great thing.  As long as all options are covered, I'd be down for it.  Regardless, I'm sure Bioware will have a mix of potential relationships.  They have been really great at being inclusive and allowing the players to roleplay as they wish.

[HunterX6]

Dragon age 2 did it bad with the bisexuals characters, they hinted you and even fliirted with you if you were of the same sex which I didn't like but mass effect 3 did it so good that I didn't even knew vegas was bi well except they didn't do as good with cortez. I am hoping that dragon age inquisition learns from mass effect 3 to satisfy straights,bi, and gays/les

[Rainbow Wyvern]

I prefer 'playersexuality' or 'all bi LIs'. I don't like it when I get less options because I chose to play as a certain sexuality. Admittedly, it's also funny to see people complain about guys hitting on their guy protagonist, so that's a plus. I wouldn't mind some non-bisexual non-LIs in the game, though. Only if the character isn't simply there because 'we need a lesbian in the game'.

And dang, I can't use legit emotes on my tablet. I feel incomplete D:
Or smaller text omg tablet I hate you

[lane]

While i like straight and gay more then player sexual,

may i know what playsexual mean ? 

[Darth Krytie]

may i know what playsexual mean ? 

 

Some people think that bisexual is player sexual, but the reality is: player sexual is when a character's sexuality CHANGES to suit the sexuality of the player.

[lane]

Some people think that bisexual is player sexual, but the reality is: player sexual is when a character's sexuality CHANGES to suit the sexuality of the player.

soo you mean ,you can choose the character sexuality before starting the game with the whole genders ,skills and all !!? THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME ! that could totally change the whole character's story and thus ,making each character completly different from another player's character !!!! (of course they would be at least three storylines gay/straight and bi) bu HEY !!! you'll live as if you made your own choices like in real life and you'll see how each character you'll meet will react and whats more that would make you wanna play many times if you wanna try all the types of sexualities !!! would be such a great idea 

[lane]

I prefer 'playersexuality' or 'all bi LIs'. I don't like it when I get less options because I chose to play as a certain sexuality. Admittedly, it's also funny to see people complain about guys hitting on their guy protagonist, so that's a plus. I wouldn't mind some non-bisexual non-LIs in the game, though. Only if the character isn't simply there because 'we need a lesbian in the game'.

And dang, I can't use legit emotes on my tablet. I feel incomplete D:
Or smaller text omg tablet I hate you

for those complaining guys i say : then vote for a a choice of sexuality at first u_u !! just like when you choose if you wanna i male or a female you choose if you wanna be straight or gay or bi ! that would settle things on both ends and as i said to darth krystie ,would be great on many ways

[lane]

Dragon age 2 did it bad with the bisexuals characters, they hinted you and even fliirted with you if you were of the same sex which I didn't like but mass effect 3 did it so good that I didn't even knew vegas was bi well except they didn't do as good with cortez. I am hoping that dragon age inquisition learns from mass effect 3 to satisfy straights,bi, and gays/les

i know i undestand you ! its might be nice for those who defend the saying "evryone got a chance" but ...if they could feel the feeling you have when you know you lover is only attracted to your gender  !! you feel like if this character belong to you !!! its just ...feel less cheap ...!! cause bi characters will always seems to me like promiscous boys and girls in some way THATS why if they could make a gay character ready with as well great plot and personality ,who will come to you as for YOU ! like alistair (without the heart breaking in the end please) that would be just ..sweet .

[lane]

I just want a gay or bi romance option that is NOT an elf, or someone like anders please....on ME3 Bioware nailed it with Cortez and Kaidan.

that would be really good ! anders was hot but ...fenris was just the BOTOM YOU MUST HAD x) 

no really ! seriously now ! wasnt fenris the potential Gay character !! evrything about him from his lean lush body to his puppy eyes to his submisive past to his smooth butt scream fuc* me hard and slow mmmh !!!! *drool*

a human character witht he same attributes will be hella welcomed for me at least x)

[Stelae]

i know i undestand you ! its might be nice for those who defend the saying "evryone got a chance" but ...if they could feel the feeling you have when you know you lover is only attracted to your gender  !! you feel like if this character belong to you !!! its just ...feel less cheap ...!! cause bi characters will always seems to me like promiscous boys and girls in some way THATS why if they could make a gay character ready with as well great plot and personality ,who will come to you as for YOU ! like alistair (without the heart breaking in the end please) that would be just ..sweet .

The thing is, the only way you know characters like Fenris or Merrill aren't gay in a m/m or f/f relationship is by meta-gaming.

 

In game terms, on a playthrough, they DO like you for you.  They REALLY like you for you.  You, yourself, are the one they are devoted to.  Anders?  Well in Awakenings he wanted a pretty girl, and he was in a relationship with Karl, so he's bi.  Isabella, goddess that she is, is pan, poly, bi, omni and loving it.  But they also really like you for you.

 

If you make an LI gay or straight, (Alistair, Morrigan) you're taking possibilities away from people in other games.  That seems something of a shame.  If you want to romance Alistair with a male character, you shouldn't have to rely on a mod.  You should be able to sweep him up in your manly arms (or elvish or dwarven arms) and openly declare your love. 

[lane]

The thing is, the only way you know characters like Fenris or Merrill aren't gay in a m/m or f/f relationship is by meta-gaming.

 

In game terms, on a playthrough, they DO like you for you.  They REALLY like you for you.  You, yourself, are the one they are devoted to.  Anders?  Well in Awakenings he wanted a pretty girl, and he was in a relationship with Karl, so he's bi.  Isabella, goddess that she is, is pan, poly, bi, omni and loving it.  But they also really like you for you.

 

If you make an LI gay or straight, (Alistair, Morrigan) you're taking possibilities away from people in other games.  That seems something of a shame.  If you want to romance Alistair with a male character, you shouldn't have to rely on a mod.  You should be able to sweep him up in your manly arms (or elvish or dwarven arms) and openly declare your love. 

(given the fact that it seems neither of the mods i installed seemed to change something in the game so eventhough i still wonder if i could have romanced alistair because of the equal love or if it didnt work too lol ) so if we say i wanted to play it without mods but its impossible cause he reconize my characater as male ,is it fair !? in origin he was the most important and intersting romance ! he's the hero of the story !! it was NOT fair ... . 

I know they are devoted to my character as much as i 'am ,but if you're gay you see,you'll feel more unique..i dont know if you can see what i mean ...it would not change big things ! it will just add more sweetness in the relationship you know ... i mean even in real life ,for example you , would u feel better with a a person attracted to your and only your sex or someone who can be attracted to ANYone .... honestly the best for me is still to add a gay natured character with a nice storyline in the party ...after all you have more than 6 characters hanging with you ! its not like it will harm anyone ! for the people who have a serious issue with it ,they can just leave him behind ! ...thats what i truly think .

[Stelae]

(given the fact that it seems neither of the mods i installed seemed to change something in the game so eventhough i still wonder if i could have romanced alistair because of the equal love or if it didnt work too lol ) so if we say i wanted to play it without mods but its impossible cause he reconize my characater as male ,is it fair !? in origin he was the most important and intersting romance ! he's the hero of the story !! it was NOT fair ... . 

I know they are devoted to my character as much as i 'am ,but if you're gay you see,you'll feel more unique..i dont know if you can see what i mean ...it would not change big things ! it will just add more sweetness in the relationship you know ... i mean even in real life ,for example you , would u feel better with a a person attracted to your and only your sex or someone who can be attracted to ANYone .... honestly the best for me is still to add a gay natured character with a nice storyline in the party ...after all you have more than 6 characters hanging with you ! its not like it will harm anyone ! for the people who have a serious issue with it ,they can just leave him behind ! ...thats what i truly think .

That's what I'm saying.  No, it's not fair. It's unfair to you as a player.  Read what I wrote again.  Here:

 

If you want to romance Alistair with a male character, you shouldn't have to rely on a mod.  You should be able to sweep him up in your manly arms (or elvish or dwarven arms) and openly declare your love.

 

And if you (or anyone) want to romance Alistair with a female character, you should be able to do the same.  No one should be disenfranchised because of who they fall in love (or lust) with.  Not in the game, and not in real life. 

 

I'm not gay.  I'm bi.  And my relationships have been with people who are attracted to me, and I to them.  Not my gender, not my preferences, ME.  Not their gender, not their preferences, THEM.  Whether they were gay, straight or bi wasn't the thing that made the relationship sweet.  The fact that we were in love, and totally into each other, that in a whole world full of people we found each other, is what made it sweet.  That goes double for games.

 

ETA:  The Equal Love mod on Nexus worked fine for me.  I'm sorry it didn't for you.  But you still shouldn't need a mod. 

[Maria Caliban]

Meta-gaming is when you let your knowledge as a player inform your character's actions. It's 'bad' either because it disrupts role-playing or is used to gain an advantage for your character. The idea that I, a real human being, discussing a character from a game with other humans on a forum am engaging in meta-gaming is bizarre. I'm not gaming at all; I'm having a critical conversation.

Would it be bad if I compared James Bond from the Casino Royale novel with the Casino Royale film? What about Shatner's Kirk to Chris Pine's? What about Agent Cooper from Season 1 of Twin Peeks to his Season 2 portrayal? These would largely be considered legitimate comparisons to make among film, book, and TV show buffs.

Now gaming as a form of storytelling is different in some ways from other media. A single choice in the Witcher 2 creates a split in the narrative that changes the second part of the story. Having played through both storylines, I can say that my knowledge of the characters and events on the other side enriched my experience.

I am not an automaton. I cannot separate two different playthroughs and pretend they're completely separate universes with different characters who just happen to look and act the same, nor should I. It's in no way an ideal method of experiencing a game. I'd suggest that doing so actually diminishes an RPG or other game where the story might branch.

[Hellion Rex]

Meta-gaming is when you let your knowledge as a player inform your character's actions. It's 'bad' either because it disrupts role-playing or is used to gain an advantage for your character. The idea that I, a real human being, discussing a character from a game with other humans on a forum am engaging in meta-gaming is bizarre. I'm not gaming at all; I'm having a critical conversation.

Would it be bad if I compared James Bond from the Casino Royale novel with the Casino Royale film? What about Shatner's Kirk to Chris Pine's? What about Agent Cooper from Season 1 of Twin Peeks to his Season 2 portrayal? These would largely be considered legitimate comparisons to make among film, book, and TV show buffs.

Now gaming as a form of storytelling is different in some ways from other media. A single choice in the Witcher 2 creates a split in the narrative that changes the second part of the story. Having played through both storylines, I can say that my knowledge of the characters and events on the other side enriched my experience.

I am not an automaton. I cannot separate two different playthroughs and pretend they're completely separate universes with different characters who just happen to look and act the same, nor should I. It's in no way an ideal method of experiencing a game. I'd suggest that doing so actually diminishes an RPG or other game where the story might branch.

Damn. Well said, Maria.

[lane]

That's what I'm saying.  No, it's not fair. It's unfair to you as a player.  Read what I wrote again.  Here:

 

If you want to romance Alistair with a male character, you shouldn't have to rely on a mod.  You should be able to sweep him up in your manly arms (or elvish or dwarven arms) and openly declare your love.

 

And if you (or anyone) want to romance Alistair with a female character, you should be able to do the same.  No one should be disenfranchised because of who they fall in love (or lust) with.  Not in the game, and not in real life. 

 

I'm not gay.  I'm bi.  And my relationships have been with people who are attracted to me, and I to them.  Not my gender, not my preferences, ME.  Not their gender, not their preferences, THEM.  Whether they were gay, straight or bi wasn't the thing that made the relationship sweet.  The fact that we were in love, and totally into each other, that in a whole world full of people we found each other, is what made it sweet.  That goes double for games.

 

ETA:  The Equal Love mod on Nexus worked fine for me.  I'm sorry it didn't for you.  But you still shouldn't need a mod. 

sorry i don't know ....for me it seems ...as if bi relationships doesnt stay bi in the long term ,when you find the right person ,its gonna be either a guy or a girl after all ... would you still call yourself bi ? i know a lesbian girl who told me one day ,its hard to date a bi person , cause you never know who can have the chances to flirt with your partner ,you keep watching for him ,for her ,you never know if your partner might be seduced with this man or this woman ...for me i call someone who was bi and settled down with a person, pansexual ,which mean dispite his sex you love him .or he saw he like the banana more than the appal in the end ^^!

[daveliam]

sorry i don't know ....for me it seems ...as if bi relationships doesnt stay bi in the long term ,when you find the right person ,its gonna be either a guy or a girl after all ... would you still call yourself bi ? i know a lesbian girl who told me one day ,its hard to date a bi person , cause you never know who can have the chances to flirt with your partner ,you keep watching for him ,for her ,you never know if your partner might be seduced with this man or this woman ...for me i call someone who was bi and settled down with a person, pansexual ,which mean dispite his sex you love him .or he saw he like the banana more than the appal in the end ^^!

 

A bisexual person does not change their sexuality because they have settled down with one person.  Some people who have shifting or fluid sexualities might identify in this way, but the vast majority of bisexual people that I know are in relationships with one person and still consider themselves to be bisexual.

[lane]

Meta-gaming is when you let your knowledge as a player inform your character's actions. It's 'bad' either because it disrupts role-playing or is used to gain an advantage for your character. The idea that I, a real human being, discussing a character from a game with other humans on a forum am engaging in meta-gaming is bizarre. I'm not gaming at all; I'm having a critical conversation.

Would it be bad if I compared James Bond from the Casino Royale novel with the Casino Royale film? What about Shatner's Kirk to Chris Pine's? What about Agent Cooper from Season 1 of Twin Peeks to his Season 2 portrayal? These would largely be considered legitimate comparisons to make among film, book, and TV show buffs.

Now gaming as a form of storytelling is different in some ways from other media. A single choice in the Witcher 2 creates a split in the narrative that changes the second part of the story. Having played through both storylines, I can say that my knowledge of the characters and events on the other side enriched my experience.

I am not an automaton. I cannot separate two different playthroughs and pretend they're completely separate universes with different characters who just happen to look and act the same, nor should I. It's in no way an ideal method of experiencing a game. I'd suggest that doing so actually diminishes an RPG or other game where the story might branch.

i must agree on the last part...you're right, it feels more unique to play once and for all and learn from the facet you decide to take the game on . but if you were interested in another character..if you want to explore the ways with him ,and that quite happend a lot ,cause now characters are made with deepest storylines and plot what will you do ? will you stop yourself from playing ? thats why i think for people who are decided to go on a gay relationship from the start should have their own gay partner with his storyline and personality and all , after all you arent allowed to cheat on him !. if you want to go on one path once and for all, make it your personal adventure , you should know what you want. I myself dont like to think Kratos from god of war might be in a parallel universe kicking ass in mortal combat ...i just close my eyes and refuse to see it lol . (i dont know if am far from out of topic by now lol) anywaay hope you got my point : if you want your own unique adventure with the paths you choose and actions you make ,you must know what you want from the start . ^^