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[Rayndorn]

Zevran and Isabella are interesting characters but both are bi rogue. Would a bi promiscuous mage work?

I get the disturbing image of Anders and his "electricity thing" at the mention of a promiscuous Mage. That conversation was both fascinating and terrifying at the same time.  The world isn't ready for that kind of dirty Mage - not to mention, just imagine all of the cheesy pick-up lines!

I'll work my magic on you.

You must have cast a spell on me, because I can think of nobody else.

I want to play the helpless Mage. Will you be my Templar captor?

 
 

[Char]

I get the disturbing image of Anders and his "electricity thing" at the mention of a promiscuous Mage. That conversation was both fascinating and terrifying at the same time.  The world isn't ready for that kind of dirty Mage - not to mention, just imagine all of the cheesy pick-up lines!

I'll work my magic on you.

You must have cast a spell on me, because I can think of nobody else.

I want to play the helpless Mage. Will you be my Templar captor?

 
 

Don't mind me, I'm just cleaning the tea off my monitor.

 

Oh dear 

Is that a staff in your pocket...?

 

Are you from the Fade, because I swear I've seen you in my dreams

 

Let me show you my... Cone of Cold.

 

 

[kalasaurus]

Emile de Launcet: Are you mage?  Because you just magicked my breathe away.

(Mage Hawke: As a matter of fact, I am a mage.)

 

Or how could we forget:

Oghren: Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sword?

 

 

[Ryzaki]

. BioWare should implement the glowing trail from Fable so stupid people aren't confused by "maps" and "quest icons."

 

 

 

Oh god that glowing trail. That glowing trail made me rage so hard. I'm usually lazy and love quest icons but that glowing trail was a step too far.

 

Oh anyway I at least hope everyone has access to one completely insane LI choice for drama sake.

[lane]

I know Gaider threw a diapershitting tantrum over the idea on his dumblr, but I actually liked the proposal of giving your character a chosen sexuality during character creation

 

No more of my gay warden stumbling into a relationship with Leliana and no more gay Hawke giving Isabela his biggest, smarmiest smirk when she flirts with him

wait do they really envisage and think about such a thing ?? for inquisition ??? we gonna be able to select for our protagonist a sexuality from the start !?? 

that would be soooo wonderful at last !!! 

[Kallimachus]

OK, woo! [wipes sweat from forehead] I finally made it through the 47 pages of this thread. Was very frustrating read at times, because I had pertinent and (I think) interesting things to say about Japanese hairstyles, Chris Evans, the colour pink, Fenris and prejudice, toggles and other stuff (and how all these relate to masculinity and femininity), but alas those parts of the conversation are over...

 

That said, I still wanted to comment about something that was said a few pages ago, that no one bothered to debunk. So this is my own transcription of a part of the Panel in GaymerX entitled: "EA Panel: 'Why We Think it is Important to Create More LGBT Inclusive Games'". Unfortunately that panel was divided on youtube to 4 parts, and the pertinent part I wanted was split between the end of part 2, and the beginning of part 3, so for ease of use, I decided to transcribe it.

 

The speaking persons are David Gaider, David "Rez" Graham (the lead AI programmer for the Sims), and Jessica Merizan:

 

Gaider: "Speaking from the perspective of the games that I worked on, I think that the effect that the gay romances that we had, that I think is important for the industry is that I think it's debunked a lot of the assumptions we had prior to BioWare doing that. I mean, we're a pretty big company, our games are pretty high profile, and I think it's fair to say that our taking that step affected our sales in absolutely no way whatsoever. I mean, maybe there are people who didn't like it, and say they're not going to buy a BioWare game because they have optional gay romances that they don't have to use, but other people might... [pause for laughter] If that's the stance they want to take, cool. But I think we have equal evidence that there are people who want the game specifically because it included that. I mean... And I think that's improtant as well, like, seeing gay fans self identify, like, on our forums, like people who have come and said: 'I have bought this game because I heard it had gay romances, and wouldn't even normally have played this game, but I went out and bought it'. That's the sort of language that companies listen to. And it's not a cynical thing, it's true. Whereas ultimately developers are... developers are there to make art, but also they're to survive and make money, and publishers are definitely there to survive and make money, so it's important that they hear that. So if us including that has brought over fans who have talked about it and in talking about it, they are making their presence heard. And I think that ultimately that is the most important step as far as publishers are concerned."

 

Graham: "Yeah, our official stance at EA if... if you don't want to buy our games because they have LGBT content is: 'Well, **** you then!'. I mean..." [Can't hear what he said here because of audience laughter]

 

Gaider: [laughing] "I did not use that phrase!"

 

Merizan: "[Unclear] **** you! [unclear because of laughter] you're just taking Lily Allen, you're just, "**** you very much"! Just give us that. He did say that! He..."

 

Gaider: "He didn't!"

 

Merizan: "No... The underlying... When we got the "Worst Company in the World" Award, for the second year in a row, he was like: 'Yes, there are a lot of things that we can do better, but there are a lot of things that people don't like about us, that we're not gonna stop doing... And LGBTQ rights was one of them..." [She goes on to say interesting things, but on a slightly different angle of LGBT and Gender inclusion]

 

 

The full panel is here:

 

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

 

Also, I wish there was a toggle for that green emoticon. It makes me nauseous every time I see it.

 

 

Oh! and I tried to be as accurate as I can in my trascript, but I'm sorry for any unintentional mistakes which may have happened.

[lane]

Yes.  Especially in terms of potential risks to stability as additional permutations exist.

 

It may further include writing additional lines for proper context, and all the dependencies that come from there.

 

 

And then there's the opportunity cost.  We could spend our time working on a system to script and support a toggle like this.  Or we could spend that writing and scripting time creating new conversations and narrative points.

omg how did we end up talking about this shite ! toggle to turn off the charactrs we want ??? what about just calling personally the office directly and ask them to write you your perfect thedas !! arrogant selfish people grrr ...do i want to mess up with a heterosexual's personality just cause its hitting on me ? no, so pissoff with this already ! thankfully bioware's aware of stupid stuff  when they encounter it. 

[lane]

 

 

I would love for a mainstream game to have a gay protagonist as the only playable character.  It would be even better if there was a romance subplot to the game (even it's just tangential).

someday they'll hear the calling ! 

[WildOrchid]

OK, woo! [wipes sweat from forehead] I finally made it through the 47 pages of this thread.

 

O___o

Wow. I usually give up at 15-20 lol

[Nefla]

True.  I have severe social anxiety, so those kind of posts do get to me.  I know they don't mean any harm, but I get what you mean.

Strange, I have severe social anxiety and it has made me hyper aware of social cues and how others perceive and react to me. I pretty much refuse to believe anyone who was actually reading the dialogue (and not buttoning through) had no idea what Zevran meant with his ******-house "massage."

[Todd23]

O___o
Wow. I usually give up at 15-20 lol

I usually don't try and just look at the most recent posts.

[Kira_Sadi]

I usually don't try and just look at the most recent posts.

 

you my friend are a GINEUS!!! XXD

[Todd23]

you my friend are a GINEUS!!! XXD

*bows

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Strange, I have severe social anxiety and it has made me hyper aware of social cues and how others perceive and react to me. I pretty much refuse to believe anyone who was actually reading the dialogue (and not buttoning through) had no idea what Zevran meant with his ******-house "massage."

You refusing to believe it does not make it not true. People used to refuse to believe the idea that the Earth was round, and look how that turned out. 

[kalasaurus]

Strange, I have severe social anxiety and it has made me hyper aware of social cues and how others perceive and react to me. I pretty much refuse to believe anyone who was actually reading the dialogue (and not buttoning through) had no idea what Zevran meant with his ******-house "massage."

 

Yeah, I'm also hyper aware of social cues and often exaggerate their judgment in my mind, assuming that others perceive me as socially inept so I fluster myself.  That's what I meant.  The posts equating social ineptitude with "stupidity" do bother me (and I assume others, like Sasha Braus mentioned, who actually have problems with picking up social cues).  I wasn't talking specifically about Zevran's massage.  I suppose I should have elaborated, though I'd rather not map out the mental gymnastics I face on a daily basis.

 

Also, the mocking of people with lower intelligence levels or ability level to prove a point isn't productive, either (but I digress...).

[ElitePinecone]

Does it matter whether people accidentally romanced Zevran?

 

The heart cues make that situation virtually impossible, now - unless players aren't paying attention. 

 

In that case, it's their own fault.

[9TailsFox]

You refusing to believe it does not make it not true. People used to refuse to believe the idea that the Earth was round, and look how that turned out. 

Plot twist Thedas is flat and it is hold by 4 dragons Flemeth is one of them.

[kalasaurus]

Does it matter whether people accidentally romanced Zevran?

 

No, I don't think so.  They can always go back a save or dump him.

[Char]

Plot twist Thedas is flat and it is hold by 4 dragons Flemeth is one of them.

Are they standing on a giant nug?

[Kira_Sadi]

Are they standing on a giant nug?

 

yep and that nug is being held by the Maker! XXD

[ElitePinecone]

Are they standing on a giant nug?

It's nugs all the way down.

[kalasaurus]

It's nugs all the way down.

 

Oh my 

[Nefla]

Yeah, I'm also hyper aware of social cues and often exaggerate their judgment in my mind, assuming that others perceive me as socially inept so I fluster myself. That's what I meant. The posts equating social ineptitude with "stupidity" do bother me (and I assume others, like Sasha Braus mentioned, who actually have problems with picking up social cues). I wasn't talking specifically about Zevran's massage. I suppose I should have elaborated, though I'd rather not map out the mental gymnastics I face on a daily basis.

Also, the mocking of people with lower intelligence levels or ability level to prove a point isn't productive, either (but I digress...).

Ok, but wouldn't that make such a person pay extra attention? Wouldn't that person be aware of the fact that they don't understand inuendo or social cues and pay more attention to dialogue to make sure? People have said they were ninjamanced in DA2 but who doesn't understand that a heart=love/romance? (They must not have valentines day where that person lives) I hold that those people and the people surprised by Zevran's scene were not reading the dialogue and not paying attention. There's really no way these things could get any more easy and obvious without completely alienating the 99.999% of players who do not have this problem.

Also I have nothing against people who aren't intelligent, however an RPG is a thinking person's game and it should not be shaped primarily for the lowest common denominator.

[kalasaurus]

Ok, but wouldn't that make such a person pay extra attention? Wouldn't that person be aware of the fact that they don't understand inuendo or social cues and pay more attention to dialogue to make sure? People have said they were ninjamanced in DA2 but who doesn't understand that a heart=love/romance? (They must not have valentines day where that person lives) I hold that those people and the people surprised by Zevran's scene were not reading the dialogue and not paying attention. There's really know way these things could get any more easy and obvious without completely alienating the 99.999% of players who do not have this problem.

 

Well, I wouldn't know.  I guess someone who had to face disabilities that make it harder to detect social cues would have to answer that.  Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, I didn't even know that there was a controversy around Zevran's ninjamance.  DA: O does have a few vague romance starting lines, though (not referring to Zevran's massage, but in general).  I do agree that it's a lot more straightforward in DA2 with the heart icons.

[Abelas Forever!]

Maybe some people don't understand english that well so they might have problems to understand which are the pick-up lines if they are not marked by the heart icon. Sometimes you only need to misunderstand one word..