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It isn't much in the way of appeasement, but perhaps it would make a difference if you were able to express an interest in any character, even if they'd turn you down? I can't remember off the top of my head if you were able to hit on Alistair/Morrigan as a same-gender Warden.
Being able to express your interest regardless of the outcome at least puts some agency back in the player's hands.
You were never allowed to flirt with Morrigan as a female or Alistair as a male.
I myself prefer set sexualities for the LI's as long as there is variety (Bi, straight, gay). One thing I liked about Aveline in DA2 is that she was totally oblivious to you flirting with her until the very end of you helping her. I know this doesn't have anything to do with your PC's gender, but it is an example of you not being seen as a possible romantic interest even though you might want to pursue her. I liked that in Origins Alistair would never react to me as a male like he does if I'm a female (and vice versa with Morrigan). It was part of who they were, plain and simple.
I understand why some people want all Bi, or playersexual, LI's. I don't. If my choice is to play as a certain gender then I know some options aren't open to me until the next game and I'm okay with that. Other content is going to be open or closed to me based on the choices I make, to me that's the beauty of the game. I do agree with those who say the depth of the relationship is more important.
Since you don't even know the sexualities of Alistair or Morrigan, how can you confidently say that these are important aspects of their respective characters?
How does restricting content "add depth" in any way? If the content is of a high quality, then how is restricting access to it an improvement at all?
Yes. I find Liara particularly tricky to avoid. Ashley's okay because: 1.) I think she gets the hint if you shut her down when she flirts as you, she, and Kaidan first get onto the Citadel; and 2.) if all else fails, she can be sacrificed on Virmire. Liara's tough though because I know that there is a bug that makes one dialogue choice that seems like the obvious neutral (yet nice) one lock in her romance. And since there's not a break up feature, it screws up the entire game if you think she's just friends and then shows up to comfort you at the Normandy lockdown.
? No Ashley does not get the hint. Liara's easy to avoid just don't use the renegade no when shutting her down (it's bugged and once you initiate Liara's romance there's no escape.) Ashley though? The only way I ever managed to successfully reject her was when using the whole "you're out of line!" choice in the alien conversation. Even shutting her down on the Citadel didn't stop that train. You have to romance Liara then shut her down with the "I'm with Liara" dialogue. And if you don't want to romance Liara welp.
Unless I forgot a dialogue choice? I constantly got ninja'd by Ashley on my paragons.
It isn't much in the way of appeasement, but perhaps it would make a difference if you were able to express an interest in any character, even if they'd turn you down? I can't remember off the top of my head if you were able to hit on Alistair/Morrigan as a same-gender Warden.
Being able to express your interest regardless of the outcome at least puts some agency back in the player's hands.
It always felt like you could sort of have a flirty conversation with Alistair when you asked him if he was a virgin and he asked you about licking lamposts.
It always felt like you could sort of have a flirty conversation with Alistair when you asked him if he was a virgin and he asked you about licking lamposts.
Talk about a tease.
It always felt like you could sort of have a flirty conversation with Alistair when you asked him if he was a virgin and he asked you about licking lamposts.
I'm not sure a big pink heart is exactly the icon that would go there, but I feel like it would have something if DA: O had DA 2 icons in it.....
? No Ashley does not get the hint. Liara's easy to avoid just don't use the renegade no when shutting her down (it's bugged and once you initiate Liara's romance there's no escape.) Ashley though? The only way I ever managed to successfully reject her was when using the whole "you're out of line!" choice in the alien conversation. Even shutting her down on the Citadel didn't stop that train. You have to romance Liara then shut her down with the "I'm with Liara" dialogue. And if you don't want to romance Liara welp.
Unless I forgot a dialogue choice? I constantly got ninja'd by Ashley on my paragons.
Maybe I've been ninjamanced every single game by Ashley but just never knew it because she gets blown up everytime. I do distinctly remember her sister talking about Kaidan instead of Shep in the voicemail though. I thought it was Shep if you were romancing her?
Liara's is the worst. It's happened numerous times to me so I just stopped talking to her after some time. Just to be safe. We pick up in ME 2 as bff's though.
It always felt like you could sort of have a flirty conversation with Alistair when you asked him if he was a virgin and he asked you about licking lamposts.
That conversation was really confusing... I think it's also why relatively a lot of gaymers think Alistair's a closet case.
But there's another odd aspect to that conversation: Has anyone actually seen a lamppost anywhere in the games? And if there aren't any, how does Alistair even know what a lamppost is?
Liara's is the worst. It's happened numerous times to me so I just stopped talking to her after some time. Just to be safe. We pick up in ME 2 as bff's though.
But there's another odd aspect to that conversation: Has anyone actually seen a lamppost anywhere in the games? And if there aren't any, how does Alistair even know what a lamppost is?
That conversation was really confusing... I think it's also why relatively a lot of gaymers think Alistair's a closet case.
But there's another odd aspect to that conversation: Has anyone actually seen a lamppost anywhere in the games? And if there aren't any, how does Alistair even know what a lamppost is?
HOLY **** THIS IS THE BIGGEST MYSTERY OF THE ENTIRE SERIES
Maybe it's a C.S. Lewis shout-out?
A sex innuendo reference to the most religious Christian ever to have written fantasy? He'd be spinning in his grave...
A sex innuendo reference to the most religious Catholic ever to have written fantasy? He'd be spinning in his grave...
C.S. Lewis wasn't Catholic, he was a member of the Church of England. 
Tolkien was Catholic, though, and they were close friends.
(I did a major assessment piece on the life and work of C.S. Lewis, and now my head is full of trivia, sorry!).
C.S. Lewis wasn't Catholic, he was a member of the Church of England.
Tolkien was Catholic, though, and they were close friends.
(I did a major assessment piece on the life and work of C.S. Lewis, and now my head is full of trivia, sorry!).
Yeah, I discovered that and edited my post. He was awefully close to Catholicism, though, wasn't he? For some reason I always thought he was Catholic.
I have no idea how similar the Church of England is to Catholicism, that's the kind of thing I only read when I'm having trouble sleeping. ):
I'm not sure a big pink heart is exactly the icon that would go there, but I feel like it would have something if DA: O had DA 2 icons in it.....
Maybe I've been ninjamanced every single game by Ashley but just never knew it because she gets blown up everytime. I do distinctly remember her sister talking about Kaidan instead of Shep in the voicemail though. I thought it was Shep if you were romancing her?
Liara's is the worst. It's happened numerous times to me so I just stopped talking to her after some time. Just to be safe. We pick up in ME 2 as bff's though.
It's Shep if you're romancing her. I have no idea how you avoided it without using the you're out of line dialogue or dating Liara. I never manage it 
I even picked the no thanks on the Citadel kept playing the game and she's all captain my captain to my great confusion.
Liara is really easy to avoid though. I've never had her ninja me outside of the bugged renedouche no. So huh...not sure how you're getting ninja'd by Liara if you're avoiding it.
For my (one and only) playthrough of Mass Effect, I felt like Liara backed off when I told her to, while Ashley continued to pursue me after I repeatedly told her to knock it the hell off.
That wasn't why I nuked her, but it was why I didn't feel bad about it.
For my (one and only) playthrough of Mass Effect, I felt like Liara backed off when I told her to, while Ashley continued to pursue me after I repeatedly told her to knock it the hell off.
That wasn't why I nuked her, but it was why I didn't feel bad about it.
I had a bug in the first Mass Effect where Liara got stuck in a sort of romance loop. Every time I would speak to her she would start up the romance dialogue with me. Every time I talked to her I had to shut her down. I even ended up getting the confrontation with her and Kaidan even after I'd just shut her down again moments before. It was very awkward.
True. I have severe social anxiety, so those kind of posts do get to me. I know they don't mean any harm, but I get what you mean.
Leliana was bi a rogue, but I don't think she could quite be classified as open (in her love of sex) as Zev or Isabella. Well, on the surface at least
I do agree here. 
Strange, I have severe social anxiety and it has made me hyper aware of social cues and how others perceive and react to me. I pretty much refuse to believe anyone who was actually reading the dialogue (and not buttoning through) had no idea what Zevran meant with his ******-house "massage."
I have to agree here as well, its pretty known once past high school, if not.. then must not had any type of interaction with others, or movie watching or tv watching. This stuff is all over TV shows and movies, sometimes strong or worse.
For my (one and only) playthrough of Mass Effect, I felt like Liara backed off when I told her to, while Ashley continued to pursue me after I repeatedly told her to knock it the hell off.
That wasn't why I nuked her, but it was why I didn't feel bad about it.
I agree. I initially felt bad during my playthrough that I was hellbent on killing Ashley - but by the time the decision came, her ninja romance had drained all sympathy I had for her. That "cold shower" conversation, of which there was no quick route out, was extremely awkward. I stopped talking to her after that.
In regards to Liara, I count myself lucky that I didn't encounter the bug that a few people here have mentioned. I recall her saying my Shepard "intrigued her", but I managed to close that romance by saying we were just friends.
I prefer to undergo the m/m romances simply because that's natural to me, but it's a shame that most of my Shepards' have to stay single for two games of the trilogy. The Steve and Kaidan gay romances in ME3 are sweet for different reasons, but I wish I could've romanced them sooner. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't envious of players who could keep their LI through the entire trilogy, as it would feel more in sync with the storyline - not just "Oh, it took the reapers invading Earth to make us finally find each other", like it was with Kaidan. I'd have liked a more relaxed experience in the romances in ME1 or ME2, because the final game just felt extremely urgent, like there was a rush to the end. Steve being available in Mass Effect 2 would have been nice, but oh well! I'm going completely off topic.
I have no idea how similar the Church of England is to Catholicism, that's the kind of thing I only read when I'm having trouble sleeping. ):
Eddie has all the answers:
It was created as we know it by Henry VIII after the pope refused him a divorce. Basically Henry gave the pope the finger and made his own rules.
You could call it Catholic with a small c, it's not strictly accurate, but close enough unless you are arguing theology.Not sure if it still applies, but it was an opt out organisation, if you were born in England or Wales you were automatically a member.
It was created as we know it by Henry VIII after the pope refused him a divorce. Basically Henry gave the pope the finger and made his own rules.
You could call it Catholic with a small c, it's not strictly accurate, but close enough unless you are arguing theology.Not sure if it still applies, but it was an opt out organisation, if you were born in England or Wales you were automatically a member.
Pretty much I create my own Inquisition, with dragons and desire demons. Just play Crusaders Kings 2 and you will see what religion is about.
It was created as we know it by Henry VIII after the pope refused him a divorce. Basically Henry gave the pope the finger and made his own rules.
You could call it Catholic with a small c, it's not strictly accurate, but close enough unless you are arguing theology.Not sure if it still applies, but it was an opt out organisation, if you were born in England or Wales you were automatically a member.
Yep, he didn't want a war with Spain and so couldn't risk killing his first wife a Spanish princess and then the pope refused to anull their marriage and call their daughter illegitimate so he made his own church and killed those who wouldn't convert destroying many of the monasteries in England at the time and therefore turfing out a lot of poor and sick being cared for in these places onto the streets. Church of England ceremonies especially in high church still look quite similar to catholic services too because Henry didn't really have any interest in changing the rituals he was too busy marrying different women, trying to have a son and executing wives who failed to give him one.
To be fair, the modern Church of England is not an accurate reflection of Henry VIII's chrch. Edward VI (his son) was a fanatic protestant (who even attempted to falsify his father's will to prevent Mary from ascending to the throne), and in his time the CoE tried to distance itself from Catholicism, his successor (His sister) Mary I, was a fanatic Catholic, who abolished the CoE. When (their sister) Elizabeth I took the throne, she restored and reformed the CoE, so it's not accurate to put the full "blame" on Henry VIII. I doubt he cared much for the church he was establishing, except as a mean to make life more comfortable for himself, and a way to gain money (by sacking monasteries).
But this is all VERY off topic. If we want to talk English monarchs, perhaps Edward II is more on topic?
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