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[Stelae]

sorry i don't know ....for me it seems ...as if bi relationships doesnt stay bi in the long term ,when you find the right person ,its gonna be either a guy or a girl after all ... would you still call yourself bi ? i know a lesbian girl who told me one day ,its hard to date a bi person , cause you never know who can have the chances to flirt with your partner ,you keep watching for him ,for her ,you never know if your partner might be seduced with this man or this woman ...for me i call someone who was bi and settled down with a person, pansexual ,which mean dispite his sex you love him .or he saw he like the banana more than the appal in the end ^^!

That's a common misconception.  It's also rather offensive; I realise you probably didn't mean it to be so, but I am not straight if I am with a man.  I am bi, and with a man.  I am not gay if I am with a woman.  I am bi, and with a woman.  Bi means I am romantically attracted to men or women.  It doesn't mean I am polyamorous - lots of bisexual people are monogamous.  We might have a man or a woman as our life partner.  But we still find other people attractive; it's just human nature.  We might not act on that attraction, because we're in a committed relationship.  But the attraction is still there.

 

As to your lesbian friend, it sounds like she has trust issues.  It shouldn't matter who flirts with her partner.  It should only matter what her partner does about the flirting.  But interestingly enough, straight people and bi people also often worry about whether their partner will stray. 

[syllogi]

I just want to give props to the people who are being patient and educational to posters like lane right now, because this thread makes me want to vomit through my monitor on anyone who fetishizes fictional homosexual relationships and thinks they're being "allies."

Think the pie eating contest scene in Stand By Me. That's how I want to puke on them.

[Ryzaki]

Exlusively gay characters won't happen.  Too many resources for an option only a small minority will choose.  There was a romance poll for Mass Effect 3 and only around 5% of players ended up romancing Cortez.  That's fewer than Jacob.  Yes, you read that right.

 

I thought like 5% of players romanced Jacob? (That's I'm guessing a part of the reason his romance was scrapped).

[The Hierophant]

y u so nasty syllogi?

[PsychoBlonde]

I don't care about sexual orientation (the sex is like 1/1000th of the game if that), but I'd love to have a flaming queen of whatever gender.

[syllogi]

y u so nasty syllogi?

LOL, sorry for being overly descriptive, but this really is a terrible thread, founded on a terrible premise, and I was impressed enough by how civil people were being to want to comment on it, but I also wanted to convey my disgust with a lot of the gross ideas being tossed around about homosexual and bisexual people.

[oceanicsurvivor]

soo you mean ,you can choose the character sexuality before starting the game with the whole genders ,skills and all !!? THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME ! that could totally change the whole character's story and thus ,making each character completly different from another player's character !!!! (of course they would be at least three storylines gay/straight and bi) bu HEY !!! you'll live as if you made your own choices like in real life and you'll see how each character you'll meet will react and whats more that would make you wanna play many times if you wanna try all the types of sexualities !!! would be such a great idea 

 

Changing ones orientation does not change who you are, so there is no need for a gay Fenris storyline, then a straight Fenris storyline, and a bi Fenris storyline. There should only be Fenris's storyline...which is exactly what they did in DA 2.

 

that would be really good ! anders was hot but ...fenris was just the BOTOM YOU MUST HAD x) 

no really ! seriously now ! wasnt fenris the potential Gay character !! evrything about him from his lean lush body to his puppy eyes to his submisive past to his smooth butt scream fuc* me hard and slow mmmh !!!! *drool*

a human character witht he same attributes will be hella welcomed for me at least x)

 

Um. Fenris is in all likely hood a rape victim in his past. That very different and should not be sensationalized  or mistaken for 'submissive'.

 

i know i undestand you ! its might be nice for those who defend the saying "evryone got a chance" but ...if they could feel the feeling you have when you know you lover is only attracted to your gender  !! you feel like if this character belong to you !!! its just ...feel less cheap ...!! cause bi characters will always seems to me like promiscous boys and girls in some way THATS why if they could make a gay character ready with as well great plot and personality ,who will come to you as for YOU ! like alistair (without the heart breaking in the end please) that would be just ..sweet .

As others have said, being bisexual is a real identity and it has no bearing on how much one does or does not enjoy sex, nor how much sex they have. Being straight or gay does not make you less promiscous, and frankly, having alot of sex is nothing for anyone to be ashamed of anyways. (Again, not that quantity of sex has any correlation to ones sexual orientation).

 

And if you feel that the romances were 'cheapened' because the NPC was bisexual then that is not the fault of the story Bioware crafted, its writers, or the characters. That is clearly your own issue to work through.

[lane]

I just want to give props to the people who are being patient and educational to posters like lane right now, because this thread makes me want to vomit through my monitor on anyone who fetishizes fictional homosexual relationships and thinks they're being "allies."

Think the pie eating contest scene in Stand By Me. That's how I want to puke on them.

and here i am laughing cause that last bit of your words doesnt even offense me ! there is no duck yet that can hurt me with few venom spit behind his little computer thinking he gonna hurt or reach my attention or whatever ...i had a suggestion and i posted it . you seems to don't like it ,why dont you just close your eyes and look the other way while people are discussing mature stuff like good boys do huh? 

[Stelae]

Meta-gaming is when you let your knowledge as a player inform your character's actions. It's 'bad' either because it disrupts role-playing or is used to gain an advantage for your character. The idea that I, a real human being, discussing a character from a game with other humans on a forum am engaging in meta-gaming is bizarre. I'm not gaming at all; I'm having a critical conversation.

Would it be bad if I compared James Bond from the Casino Royale novel with the Casino Royale film? What about Shatner's Kirk to Chris Pine's? What about Agent Cooper from Season 1 of Twin Peeks to his Season 2 portrayal? These would largely be considered legitimate comparisons to make among film, book, and TV show buffs.

Now gaming as a form of storytelling is different in some ways from other media. A single choice in the Witcher 2 creates a split in the narrative that changes the second part of the story. Having played through both storylines, I can say that my knowledge of the characters and events on the other side enriched my experience.

I am not an automaton. I cannot separate two different playthroughs and pretend they're completely separate universes with different characters who just happen to look and act the same, nor should I. It's in no way an ideal method of experiencing a game. I'd suggest that doing so actually diminishes an RPG or other game where the story might branch.

Meta-gaming is bad?  Well, crud.  Apparently I've been playing games wrong all these years. 

 

Of course knowing what happened last time you played enriches next time you play; it's one of the real strengths of a well written game.  But Marian Hawke the Mage is different to Ebon Hawke the Archer rogue.  They will never exist in the same universe.  Marian's rivalmance with Fenris is going to be different to Ebon's sappy love affair with Isabella.  If you want to think there are multiverses for the main character, but only one universe for the NPCs, well, that's your perfect right, and there's no wrong way to play.  But given that the PC and the NPCs are connected, and influence each other differently on each play through, it's not the only way to view the game.  Nor is it superior to any other way someone chooses to play. 

 

As to comparing different versions of characters, heaven help us if you were to expect every new version of a character to line up with the old versions.  If you're watching the new Star Trek, and you see Spock and Uhura in a relationship, do you mentally berate him for two-timing T'Pring?  Or Zarabeth?  (Or leading on poor, desperate Nurse Chapel?)  Of course not; this is a different Spock. 

 

The Fenris who hooks up with Isabella is not the same Fenris who sometimes wishes he wasn't so crazy in love with me.  Knowing there are universes where both exist is interesting, and knowing that the NPCs have lives which don't necessarily revolve around you is wicked cool but as you are playing, you are making a different version of the character.  Well, I am.  What you do is, of course, your perfect right.

 

ETA: The "me" in the first line of the last para is Marian, of course. 

[lane]

That's a common misconception.  It's also rather offensive; I realise you probably didn't mean it to be so, but I am not straight if I am with a man.  I am bi, and with a man.  I am not gay if I am with a woman.  I am bi, and with a woman.  Bi means I am romantically attracted to men or women.  It doesn't mean I am polyamorous - lots of bisexual people are monogamous.  We might have a man or a woman as our life partner.  But we still find other people attractive; it's just human nature.  We might not act on that attraction, because we're in a committed relationship.  But the attraction is still there.

 

As to your lesbian friend, it sounds like she has trust issues.  It shouldn't matter who flirts with her partner.  It should only matter what her partner does about the flirting.  But interestingly enough, straight people and bi people also often worry about whether their partner will stray. 

you probably right , you must know much since you're yourself bi ,so i cant juge ,i tried imagine myself attracted to both gender and pansexual is what i thought at first ...its nothing offensive its rather sweet ,we don't fall in love with the body ,we fall in love with the heart and the personality ,the body we learn to love it secondly 

[Ryzaki]

You guys are nicer than me. I'm looking at the punctuation, terrible spelling and lack of caps and my eyes just glaze over. *shrugs*

[lane]

i just wanna make one more thing clear , here i regestred to share a thought and because i happent to love DA plus am not done yet playing it .and in hope maybe some good ear will hear about this idea (after all we don't get what we want if we don't at least voice it)  i wanted to see what some people might think and maybe if there were others who would like the same ,and again share their thoughts ,and i accept them and agree with them if they are fair ,and i thanks and learn more from them if i don't know or if am in the wrong .i didnt got here to juge or push my ideas and convictions on anyone ! i made the thread's name clear so its sound enough tolerant and easy going. my first message was clear enough about what i wish to see . and am not dumb i know there're seldom chances my little wish come true ,but am still satisfied enough with sharing it in the suggestion and feedback thread . i guess...its the least i could do for loving the game.

[lane]

You guys are nicer than me. I'm looking at the punctuation, terrible spelling and lack of caps and my eyes just glaze over. *shrugs*

well you'll excuse me fot the terrible spelling cause my first language is not english.

[Ryzaki]

well you'll excuse me fot the terrible spelling cause my first language is not english.

 

Yeah I tried to say something but each time it came out...eh. It's not just the spelling.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah I tried to say something but each time it came out...eh. It's not just the spelling.

Subtlety, thy name is sure as hell not Ryz.

[Ryzaki]

Subtlety, thy name is sure as hell not Ryz.

 

Believe me I know it. I was always the one called on to wing it and it was always so painfully obvious I was my teachers in pity/aggravation used to tell me to just sit down and study the material.

 

Then there was that time I tried to tell that girl her answers weren't even remotely right and...yeah.

[lane]

Yeah I tried to say something but each time it came out...eh. It's not just the spelling.

if you undertand the idea its all that matter ....

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I thought like 5% of players romanced Jacob? (That's I'm guessing a part of the reason his romance was scrapped).

I tried to look up any statistics on ME3 or DA2 for romances and I couldn't find any. If this is an anywhere near accurate outside poll, though, 5% is a marked improvement from the Thane and Jacob romances in ME2. It's actually comparable to Jack and Garrus. 

 

http://social.biowar...-6074641-1.html

 

I'd really like to see the official statistics, though. I wish the 5% claim had been sourced. 

[karushna5]

you probably right , you must know much since you're yourself bi ,so i cant juge ,i tried imagine myself attracted to both gender and pansexual is what i thought at first ...its nothing offensive its rather sweet ,we don't fall in love with the body ,we fall in love with the heart and the personality ,the body we learn to love it secondly

Although Pansexual doesnt mean you are promiscuous either. It means you are attracted to multiple genders, not just men or women.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

I tried to look up any statistics on ME3 or DA2 for romances and I couldn't find any. If this is an anywhere near accurate outside poll, though, 5% is a marked improvement from the Thane and Jacob romances in ME2. It's actually comparable to Jack and Garrus. 

 

http://social.biowar...-6074641-1.html

 

I'd really like to see the official statistics, though. I wish the 5% claim had been sourced. 

 

http://me3cosmiclove...y-steve-cortez/

 

"According to the survey, Steve is romanced by a similar amount of players as Jacob; in other words, very few — only 5% of respondents, in fact"

[Nocte ad Mortem]

http://me3cosmiclove...y-steve-cortez/

 

"According to the survey, Steve is romanced by a similar amount of players as Jacob; in other words, very few — only 5% of respondents, in fact"

This part of the survey, which talks about the amount of people wanting more content from Steve, is basically my impression of the problem with Cortez. 

 

"Again, similar to Sam, this is the most interesting result in Steve’s section of the survey. Despite being romanced by only 5% of players, 23% of them responded to this question.  Much more, even, than responded to the previous two. Many players, including likely all of those that romanced Steve, and even more who did not, thought that he should have more content with Shepard."

 

It doesn't necessarily suggest people weren't romancing him specifically because he was a gay romance. A significant amount of people are interested in MORE content from his character. If he'd been handled well, his statistics may have well been higher. A rounded estimate of 22-30% of people actually showed an interest in Cortez's character and wanted more content from him, even if only 5-7% of people ultimately chose to romance him. To me, that demonstrates that his sexuality wasn't necessarily the thing undermining him as a LI.

[daveliam]

Again:  Remember that there are 12 LI's in ME 3.  If I am understanding these statistics correctly, it is looking at the total player base, right?  Not just the ones who did a romance?

 

Either way, if all 12 of the LI's had an even distribution of players romancing them, it would be 8.5% for each of them.  5% isn't that far off, considering that:  a.). he's a m/m romance option only; and b.). he just showed up in the third game.

 

If it's including only those who did a romance, he's only 3.5% behind what we would expect, all things being equal (which they aren't).  If it's including all players including those who didn't do a romance, then it's even better.  Those statistics are deceiving without thinking about the context.

[Ryzaki]

I tried to look up any statistics on ME3 or DA2 for romances and I couldn't find any. If this is an anywhere near accurate outside poll, though, 5% is a marked improvement from the Thane and Jacob romances in ME2. It's actually comparable to Jack and Garrus. 
 
http://social.biowar...-6074641-1.html
 
I'd really like to see the official statistics, though. I wish the 5% claim had been sourced.

Yikes. And agreeded though it still would've been low. ME had way too many LIs.

[SwobyJ]

-Ashley.. ME1, kinda ME2, ME3

-Kaidan.. ME1, kinda ME2, ME3 (s/s version only in ME3)

-Liara.. ME1, sorta ME2, ME3

-Miranda.. ME2, ME3

-Jacob.. ME2, kinda ME3

-Jack.. ME2, ME3

-Thane.. ME2, ME3

-Tali.. ME2, ME3

-Garrus.. ME2, ME3

-Steve.. ME3

-Samantha.. ME3

-misc. romantic subplots or nods (somewhat in ME2 and ME3, but particularly in ME3 Citadel DLC).. like Samara, Kelly, etc.

 

That's a lot.

 

If Steve is 5% of that, I'm impressed. It means he's at least someone to consider as a full romance, but not enough to consider as a central one.

 

Personally, I don't romance Steve because I don't consider him a romantic partner for my MainShep, and I consider both Steve and Samantha's insertion to almost just fill a quota instead of be fully fleshed out (I felt differently by the end of the DLC cycle, but still).

 

11 full LIs isn't a lot for 3 games in total. Even if it's 3-4 unique ones per game, that'd be 9-12.