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[Puppy Love]

Don't get me wrong, I like the set sexualities too.  It's not the system itself that bothers me.  But like I said, for women who wanted to romance someone like Cass, there isn't really anyone else like her, in this game or any other recent Bioware games.  Whereas guys were upset about Sera still have the equally femme Josephine, not to mention the many other straight and bi femme LIs.

 

May I ask?  She doesn't really seem my type, but I'm curious what is it about her that you all find so fascinating?  I'm wondering if you all see something I don't.

[mikeymoonshine]

I don't really get why elf LIs thus far not being straight is problematic. As far as we know, bisexuality among elves is more common than among RL people. We don't know for sure. We also have plenty of evidence that elves engage in f/m relationships (and are encouraged to do so by virtue of continuing the species).

 

More importantly, to me, a trend that means more inclusivity and LGB representation is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. So I say, keep the gay/bi elves coming. There's no need to make an elf LI straight just to reassure people that "not all elves are like that!" :/ Why should every fictional race have the same percentage of LGBT people as we have in the real world anyway? Why can't one of the four races in Thedas trend toward a larger percentage of bisexual folks? I think that'd be pretty rad. 

 

Well I wasn't arguing for less lgbt characters or saying that Solas should be straight. In fact I thought I made it clear that I was not saying that, obviously not it seems. 

 

I also said nothing about percentages of lgbt people... 

 

We know straight elves exist and it just so happens that we have never had one in our party (as an LI anyway) that just seems like a trope to me.  That doesn't mean that it's bad or even that I have a problem with it but I do like more verity in characters and their personalities. 

 

Justinia as in the Divine? Also I never suspected she was bi myself. I remembering seeing a poster mentioning in the Cass thread that she hinted towards some kind of romantic tryst with Marjolaine in the past. I don't know if this is true or not, I never played Leliana's Song.

 

Sorry I should have been more clear. She could be bi or even a lesbian I guess or she could have just been seduced by a woman. We don't actually know what her sexuality is, I just thought she was worth adding as a possible LGBT character who may be appearing in DA:I. 

[RevilFox]

I agree about Cass, I really wish she was a same-sex option. Jack was the last character I was deeply disappointed by in this way.

[Ferico21]

I agree about Cass, I really wish she was a same-sex option. Jack was the last character I was deeply disappointed by in this way.

 

Oi! Just because a girl has short/no hair does not mean she should be a lesbian

[JadePrince]

Oi! Just because a girl has short/no hair does not mean she should be a lesbian

 

...no one is saying that?

 

EDIT: The only people I ever saw talk at length about Cass' hair, were straight guys who think she's 'ugly' because of her hair and her 'manly' face. Which is ridiculous. I also saw a lot of straight guys saying they "totally called" Sera being lesbian because of her hair. But I haven't seen any lesbian or bisexual women players saying that Cass must be a lesbian because of her hair. 

[Ferico21]

...no one is saying that?

 

EDIT: The only people I ever saw talk at length about Cass' hair, were straight guys who think she's 'ugly' because of her hair and her 'manly' face. Which is ridiculous. I also saw a lot of straight guys saying they "totally called" Sera being lesbian because of her hair. But I haven't seen any lesbian or bisexual women players saying that Cass must be a lesbian because of her hair. 

Edit: my mistake, was just a common theme I was linking in my head between all the should-be and are lesbians

[Samahl]

The person I was just quoting literally typed that if you go back and read the quote

 

No, they didn't, they just said they wished Cassandra and Jack were both LIs.

[JadePrince]

The person I was just quoting literally typed that if you go back and read the quote

 

This is what you quoted:

 

RevilFox, on 19 Aug 2014 - 6:08 PM, said:

 

I agree about Cass, I really wish she was a same-sex option. Jack was the last character I was deeply disappointed by in this way.

 

 

There's nothing in there about Cass' hair or it meaning she should be a lesbian. I think you read into it and made an assumption that isn't there?

[Ferico21]

I vas mistaken. They happen. I apologize

[JadePrince]

I vas mistaken. They happen. I apologize

 

No worries! Like I said, it's been a common argument (the hair = sexuality thing) so I agree people have in the past said things like that. I haven't personally seen anyone who wished Cass was a f/f option say that-- only that they wished that they had a f/f option who presented more of a 'butch' appearance/personality and less of a 'femme' one, because they haven't ever had the chance to f/f romance a woman who leans more toward the "masculine" (all the female LIs in DA games have been quite 'femme' in appearance and I understand Cass' appealing androgyny). 

 

TL;DR You're right, short hair doesn't automatically = lesbian. But I think in this thread, that's preaching to the choir.

[Ferico21]

No worries! Like I said, it's been a common argument (the hair = sexuality thing) so I agree people have in the past said things like that. I haven't personally seen anyone who wished Cass was a f/f option say that-- only that they wished that they had a f/f option who presented more of a 'butch' appearance/personality and less of a 'femme' one, because they haven't ever had the chance to f/f romance a woman who leans more toward the "masculine" (all the female LIs in DA games have been quite 'femme' in appearance and I understand Cass' appealing androgyny). 

 

TL;DR You're right, short hair doesn't automatically = lesbian. But I think in this thread, that's preaching to the choir.

I guess it all really matters on what people classify as masculine to themselves, as to what others would think instead. I personally wasn't bothered about the romance choices because, well I didn't write the characters and I don't know how they would act in certain scenarios, at least until the game comes out.

I can certainly see the appeal, having played ME3 and DA2 with F/F romances, it would be a bit of a change of pace of characters.

I heard the same thing being said about aveline in DA2 with bearing some resemblance to Cass and being unavailable to F/F options, so sure we don't always get to choose the romance we got. But this is what the feedback is for, right?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She could be demisexual and also bi, although I don't know if that's what BioWare intended.

That is true, since it can be added onto other sexualities, like demiheterosexual. But I think they just meant bisexual. 

[CrimsonN7]

May I ask?  She doesn't really seem my type, but I'm curious what is it about her that you all find so fascinating?  I'm wondering if you all see something I don't.

 

Cassandra oh yeah I'd find her very attractive myself. I'd classify Cass as being a soft butch myself not too masculine and just the right amount of feminine to balance it out. She's the strong warrior type, a leader, has a low tolerance for BS, she's quiet fiery, she's tough. I admire her pragmatic attitude and the moments we saw her let her guard down to reveal her softer side i.e her admiration/crush towards Hawke dueling the Arishok to save Isabela, are very endearing.

 

Her look also, the femme look is fine and all I do like it but it's not my preferred type personally. I appreciate the androgynous look in women more which is the style I rock in RL coincidentally.   Also short hair ftw, not just because I have it too, I'm not doing much to banish the stereotype for my sapphic sisters right now, oh well.

[Lady Nuggins]

May I ask?  She doesn't really seem my type, but I'm curious what is it about her that you all find so fascinating?  I'm wondering if you all see something I don't.

 

Like CrimsonN7 said, soft butch is a really good term for her.  And for me, it's that she has that stoic, straightlaced, serious personality.  I have a soft spot for characters who have a hard exterior with a hidden softer side, and usually that role is reserved for dudes, so seeing a gorgeous lady act like that instead makes it 110% better.  She's also the embodiment of the virtuous knight, the paladin figure.  Which, again, gets more interesting because she's female.  

 

I think all the female LIs are gorgeous, but Cass's personality is what drew me so strongly to her.  

[Puppy Love]

Cassandra oh yeah I'd find her very attractive myself. I'd classify Cass as being a soft butch myself not too masculine and just the right amount of feminine to balance it out. She's the strong warrior type, a leader, has a low tolerance for BS, she's quiet fiery, she's tough. I admire her pragmatic attitude and the moments we saw her let her guard down to reveal her softer side i.e her admiration/crush towards Hawke dueling the Arishok to save Isabela, are very endearing.

 

Her look also, the femme look is fine and all I do like it but it's not my preferred type personally. I appreciate the androgynous look in women more which is the style I rock in RL coincidentally.   Also short hair ftw, not just because I have it too, I'm not doing much to banish the stereotype for my sapphic sisters right now, oh well.

 

Where as I enjoy dressing up, my long hair, wearing dresses and skirts, and being silly and playful, and when seeking a female partner I like someone very similar to myself, I just think it's more fun that way.  Probably why she isn't really my type.  To much time getting her to relax and let her hair down.  I don't mind a strong woman really, as long as I also find her fun. 

 

I also like long hair, is fun to play with and gives me more handsy things to with my partner that's intimate without being overtly sexual.  I miss that with short haired women.  Though I can live with shorter hair, ultimately it's who the girl is over any of that. 

 

But I'd be a liar if I didn't say I like a girl with a feminine figure.  Call me conditioned by society, but it's visually what I like looking at most.  Is more aesthetically pleasing for me.  I feel kind of bad about that sometimes because I don't have that figure myself and that judgement no matter how small is there, but it's never stopped me from being with someone I cared about who didn't fit my ideals of physical attraction...  long run on, not sure if sensical sentence that that was...

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

NM didnt realize this was on page 56 :v

[Puppy Love]

Like CrimsonN7 said, soft butch is a really good term for her.  And for me, it's that she has that stoic, straightlaced, serious personality.  I have a soft spot for characters who have a hard exterior with a hidden softer side, and usually that role is reserved for dudes, so seeing a gorgeous lady act like that instead makes it 110% better.  She's also the embodiment of the virtuous knight, the paladin figure.  Which, again, gets more interesting because she's female.  

 

I think all the female LIs are gorgeous, but Cass's personality is what drew me so strongly to her.  

 

Ahh that makes a lot of sense.  I thank you both.  I understand now.  Still not really my thing, but there are some traits there I respect.  I'd certainly give her a chance if not with someone.  I might be pleasantly surprised.  Sadly don't usually play men so not a likely experiment

[CIA]

People focus way too much on this stuff. I admit many people on other forums got the wrong message about Dorian(not the first fully gay character ever made, just gaider's). However it's kind of telling that many gay people really don't give a **** about whether they're 'represented' in games, moreso that they simply aren't made the butt of a joke or whatever. Being gay shouldn't be a selling point for the character, it should just be a part of their character like real life.

Take Arcade Gannon in Fallout: New Vegas. Gay character, not forced, not in your face, but if you pay attention to dialogue you'll know. Sadly, I don't think Bioware has handled a gay character as well as anything New Vegas or other RPGs did, especially the whole Cortez thing where I can't remember a single thing apart from his character apart from the fact he lost his husband.

[Hellion Rex]

However it's kind of telling that many gay people really don't give a **** about whether they're 'represented' in games

I confess myself perplexed by this rather ignorant statement. Of the gay people that do play video games, I would argue the vast majority do care about being represented in video games.

[CIA]

I confess myself perplexed by this rather ignorant statement. Of the gay people that do play video games, I would argue the vast majority do care about being represented in video games.

They care more about whether they're portrayed accurately as human beings instead of specimens.

 

By the way I don't want to start a shitstorm, I will say from what we've seen of Inquisition, Dorian looks pretty good as a character. As I said in another thread though we already know most of the character's sexualities from day 1 so you're hardly 'getting to know' the pixels anymore

[SardaukarElite]

Take Arcade Gannon in Fallout: New Vegas. Gay character, not forced, not in your face, but if you pay attention to dialogue you'll know. Sadly, I don't think Bioware has handled a gay character as well as anything New Vegas or other RPGs did, especially the whole Cortez thing where I can't remember a single thing apart from his character apart from the fact he lost his husband.

 

Cortez's character story was about him dealing with the loss of his lover. He happened to be gay, so his lover was also his husband. If he'd had a wife instead no one would complain about forced, in your face heterosexuality.

 

I don't remember Cortez being gay actually coming up at all, he just happened to have a husband. Apparently the future is progressive.

 

They care more about whether they're portrayed accurately as human beings instead of specimens.

 

I'm sure they'll appreciate you letting them know.

[WildOrchid]

Yes, same.  I was surprised by how deeply disappointed I was.  I still kind of avoid discussion about her, even though I was so excited for her as a character before.  And I think it's because it's so rare for a character like her to be available to women.  She's the closest thing to a butch LI that I've seen.  I love Leliana, Liara, Samantha, Sera, Josephine... but they are all cute, feminine types.  Cass stood out as very different.

 

Hopefully in future Bioware games, we get a f/f only romance like Cass. Her romance would've been something new, different than the usual f/f romances we get.

 

 

Also, no more of this noble=straight. We ladies want a noble gay lady.

[Basement Cat]

I think all the female LIs are gorgeous, but Cass's personality is what drew me so strongly to her.  

 

Add me to the list of broken hearts. I hope we get a flirt option with her and she turns us down. I wonder how she would handle that situation...

 

Femquisitor: Has anyone ever told you how attractive you are?

Cassandra: All the time. Men and women both. You're wasting your time, by the way.

Femquisitor: Aww...