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[Skymaple]

Yep.

Don't get me wrong, Sera is AMAZING (and Josie too).

 

We just want something different, variety is good.

 

Haha, indeed!

Sera is amazing, she is... but I feel you

And now I've gotten used to playing only as gay characters (thank you BW!! ) (mostly males but also females when I love some character - Isabela ) so I don't know if I could actually play as a female for Cullen, I guess I'll have to, he's just adorable...

But variety in our options would be sooo cool... I think some of us gay girls and boys are asking for the same features by asking for a Cass/Cullen/Alistair kind of LI: strong, noble, romantic, adorable (don't know if you'd call that to Cass), you know, someone you'd call a hero!

[NextArishok]

Read: closeted.

no, i elaborated more in an edit to my post.  I have seen first hand some really bad/embarrassing situations involving a 6 year old.  I meant in the type of things they would say where and when and what they do and do not know.

[Puppy Love]

See I dunno I found the younger more innocent Cullen adorable with my mage, but I'm not sure I feel the same about the broken Cullen we're getting.  I question his sanity and stability at this point, am am surprised he's not having more PTSD problems at current.  In fact really I'm not likely to romance Cullen since I'm not convinced he should be stable enough to even be in the Inquisition as an adviser.

[Samahl]

no, i elaborated more in an edit to my post.  I have seen first hand some really bad/embarrassing situations involving a 6 year old.  I meant in the type of things they would say where and when and what they do and do not know.

 

Hand-holding isn't sexual though...?

[NextArishok]

Hand-holding isn't sexual though.....

This is true.  I'm just not really sure.  As far as I go personally I couldn't care less.  I would actually have to be in that situation with a kid of my own to really answer.  I'm not sure.

[NextArishok]

See I dunno I found the younger more innocent Cullen adorable with my mage, but I'm not sure I feel the same about the broken Cullen we're getting.  I question his sanity and stability at this point, am am surprised he's not having more PTSD problems at current.  In fact really I'm not likely to romance Cullen since I'm not convinced he should be stable enough to even be in the Inquisition as an adviser.

If I have my way they will all submit to the Qun or will removed and replaced by my people.  Sten can be my main adviser.

[WildOrchid]

Not to mention, little kids wouldn't care about two same-sex people being in love, IF their parents aren't being homophobic and teach them how "bad" it is. Not to mention, they don't even know about love and relationships at this age jfc.

[Skymaple]

 It's also bothersome when you go with the "wuttabouttachildren" line and pretend it's an undiscriminatory mindset when we all know it is much more specific toward LGBT public displays of affection than to straight ones. Straight PDAs may bother people for being tacky, but no one's hiding their kids over it for anything short of dry humping.

 

Yeah, maybe I am too sensitive, but it kinda hurts that someone would think that a display of affection as simple as holding hands that's only showing love between two human beings could be offensive and something to be hidden...

[oceanicsurvivor]

Not really sure.  I know I would want my kid to sheltered and innocent for as long as possible.  Not once they were in middle/high school....but for the first few years.  I don't know I can't really say.  I would have to be in that situation to really know how I feel.  I do know I don't want them knowing about any sexuality (of any kind) before they are old enough to know and mind what they are saying in front of others and know when its time to be proper and not talk about certain subjects in certain situations.

 

Kids are gay, straight, and everything in between. And whether you want them to know about sexuality or not, they do know about romance and love because hey, media, it exists. Every Disney movie they watch, every tv show shows them straight relationships. Their favorite athletes get married, their favorite singers sing about their opposite sex partner. One of the problems a lot of gay kids have is that they never ever see themselves represented in kids media because 'oh my god think of the children'. So straight kids are sheltered from being exposed to the very real and very non-threatening reality of there being gay people out there, while gay kids become more and more confused about the strange feelings they are having (feelings they very often are aware are not quite in line with what they 'should' be feeling) leading to confusion, anxiety, depression, alienation etc. So essentially, the only thing 'protecting' kids from this content does is harm LGBT youth, not protect children's innocence or whatever. Additionally, given the lack of LGBT content in media most queer youths exposure to LGBT issues and people depends on parents reactions and commentary. If you walk down the street and see same sex and opposite sex couples kissing and holding hands but ONLY comment about how inappropriate or gross or what have you the same sex couples are the kid you are with will take notice. You don't even have to comment, kids do pick up on non-verbals! And if they value your opinion and also have no other means of contextualizing or understanding the behavior they will slowly begin to understand that same sex attraction is less then, something to be hidden/ashamed of, or inherently gross.

[JadePrince]

 
Ok... how exactly is this so horrible? It's kind of insulting, for an issue that LGBT people have to deal with in 99% of all forms of media, that the 1% where it might be reversed is so bothersome to you. "It would suck" you say. You're missing the point. It's not that horrible. If it's annoying it's only because it's so prevalent. Can't you deal with what is, by comparison, a miniscule annoyance without going on about how uncomfortable it makes you?
 
It's also bothersome when you go with the "wuttabouttachildren" line and pretend it's an undiscriminatory mindset when we all know it is much more specific toward LGBT public displays of affection than to straight ones. Straight PDAs may bother people for being tacky, but no one's hiding their kids over it for anything short of dry humping.

 

Exactly. I sell art at cons, and a lot of it is cute, innocent gay stuff. It literally doesn't even go as far as kisses, just hand holding and blushing, and I've STILL had adults literally shield their kid's eyes from it. And it's just static CARTOON DRAWINGS, not even real people who might start making out or something. YEESH.

[NextArishok]

 
Ok... how exactly is this so horrible? It's kind of insulting, for an issue that LGBT people have to deal with in 99% of all forms of media, that the 1% where it might be reversed is so bothersome to you. "It would suck" you say. You're missing the point. It's not that horrible. If it's annoying it's only because it's so prevalent. Can't you deal with what is, by comparison, a miniscule annoyance without going on about how uncomfortable it makes you?
 
It's also bothersome when you go with the "wuttabouttachildren" line and pretend it's an undiscriminatory mindset when we all know it is much more specific toward LGBT public displays of affection than to straight ones. Straight PDAs may bother people for being tacky, but no one's hiding their kids over it for anything short of dry humping.

actually I was speaking as I can see where a gay person could be coming from because  I do not lack empathy.  I can see how I feel now and understand how annoying that might be.  Not saying I know 100%

 

I said that when I'm going to get a sandwich or something for lunch that I don't want to see anyone making out.  I am pretty sure the only time I brought the kid into the equation was when I said that I especially wouldn't do it myself if there were kids there.  My intention was not to offend anyone.  I was just trying to make my point.  I'm not going to say that IN GENERAL its viewed as a bigger issue went the couple is the same sex, but I have seen first hand that it is. So I can't argue with you on that point.  I can just say I don't want either in my face.

 

If I HAD to choose which PDA that I would be FORCED to watch?  I definitely wouldn't be a guy and a girl though.

[NextArishok]

Not to mention, little kids wouldn't care about two same-sex people being in love, IF their parents aren't being homophobic and teach them how "bad" it is. Not to mention, they don't even know about love and relationships at this age jfc.

This is true.  But just as much as I believe in 2 people should be able to choose how they want to live their life and who they want to love its absurd to not be open to letting others raise their own children how they want to raise them or what THEY think is the best way to do it.

 

Everyone should be respected.  They are just trying to make their way though life just the way you are.  If they want to raise their child in a church and try to live by the Bible then they should be able to do so.  Just as you should be able to have the same freedoms in your life.

 

Its a two way street.

 

And I'm speaking generally....I am far from a Bible based person.

[oceanicsurvivor]

This is true.  But just as much as I believe in 2 people should be able to choose how they want to live their life and who they want to love its absurd to not be open to letting others raise their own children how they want to raise them or what THEY think is the best way to do it.

 

Everyone should be respected.  They are just trying to make their way though life just the way you are.  If they want to raise their child in a church and try to live by the Bible then they should be able to do so.  Just as you should be able to have the same freedoms in your life.

 

Its a two way street.

 

And I'm speaking generally....I am far from a Bible based person.

 

Being gay and religious aren't actually two ideas in opposition.

 

Additionally, super religious homophobes have gay kids too.

 

And LGBT people can also be religious.

 

This two way street idea is actually nonsense. One side of the street, the gay side, says 'hey, please let me live my life equally, fairly, and in peace'. The other side says 'you don't deserve the same rights as us (not just marriage btw), don't be in our schools, our media, don't tell your stories, don't be our superheroes, don't do anything to remind me that you are gay or different, don't 'act' gay, don't look at me sideways, just DON'T'. People in this world being gay doesn't invalidate your religion or violate your religious liberties. Its not remotely the same.

[WildOrchid]

This is true.  But just as much as I believe in 2 people should be able to choose how they want to live their life and who they want to love its absurd to not be open to letting others raise their own children how they want to raise them or what THEY think is the best way to do it.

 

Everyone should be respected.  They are just trying to make their way though life just the way you are.  If they want to raise their child in a church and try to live by the Bible then they should be able to do so.  Just as you should be able to have the same freedoms in your life.

 

Its a two way street.

 

And I'm speaking generally....I am far from a Bible based person.

 

 

Whoever teaches their children to hate don't deserve respect at all. If they don't respect me at first place, why should I?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Whoever teaches their children to hate don't deserve respect at all. If they don't respect me at first place, why should I?

This can cause a cycle of hate though, since you disrespecting them will give their side ammunition to disrespect you which gives your side ammunition to disrespect them, which etc etc. 

[Ianamus]

On a related note, I find it incredibly annoying that even as adult media has more and more gay characters/couples children's media continues to have none whatsoever. 

[NextArishok]

Whoever teaches their children to hate don't deserve respect at all. If they don't respect me at first place, why should I?

I agree with this line 100%  You absolutely should live like that.  (as stated above...could be a circle of negativity though)

 

A person who is truly religious and not just acting or saying they are loves everyone.  Being a Christian is trying to live as Christ-like as possible (live your own life as close to christ did (sinless) as possible. 

 

They are taught hate the sin, but love the sinner, because EVERYONE sins.  And not to judge people.

[CIA]

I can't really think of a game where they've 'shoved it down your throat' tbh. The only problem I had with Cortez' questline was how godawful Bioware made the decison wheel in that game (btw do we still have three options in Inquisition?)

 

I just think it's more important to 'get it right' than 'get it in there', which sounds weird.

 

 

I find it incredibly annoying that even as adult media has more and more gay characters/couples mainstream children's media continues to have none whatsoever. 

Not to be a fedora but I don't see that happening with religions about.

[Samahl]

@oceanicsurvivor and Wild Orchid: I would like your posts, but I'm out of likes. Great posts, both of you.

[WildOrchid]

This can cause a cycle of hate though, since you disrespecting them will give their side ammunition to disrespect you which gives your side ammunition to disrespect them, which etc etc. 

 

And what should i do instead? Encourage them to spread hate?

[Samahl]

They are taught hate the sin, but love the sinner, because EVERYONE sins.  And not to judge people.

 

I don't respect people who think homosexuality is a sin.

[oceanicsurvivor]

This can cause a cycle of hate though, since you disrespecting them will give their side ammunition to disrespect you which gives your side ammunition to disrespect them, which etc etc. 

 

Yes, but one of them has full legal protection in the eyes of the law. It isn't an equitable position to begin with and that is the problem with the tolerance is a two lane street line. Because its more like one side of the street is an 8 Lane Los Angles Freeway and the other side of the road is a one lane alley excited that they just upgraded from dirt to gravel.

[Ianamus]

 

Not to be a fedora but I don't see that happening with religions about.

 

I don't see why not. I mean I can sort of understand why not in a country like America which is incredibly religious and has a large, religious right-wing political party with a lot of power, but here in an increasingly secular europe... it just doesn't feel like it has any weight whatsoever. 

 

Maybe the problem is that most children's media is produced in America... 

 

Canada produces a fair bit as well though, and they have no excuse!