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[Fisva]

You have a very poor and unhealthy view of what equality means if you feel that any representation of different sexualities somehow encroaches on the overall straightness of these products.

 

It's not my fault if you're being insensitive, by barging here prending being "bombarded" with LGBT stuff, you're just shitting all over LGBT people who have ACTUALLY BEEN bombarded with straight stuff litterally at every street's corner.

 

If you can't process it, then I'm afraid we won't have kind words for you.

 

Like I have said, I am done.

P.S. In Inquisition we have 1 straight, 1 gay and 4 bi LIs. Take it into consideration.

[Ianamus]

The point isn't the media, it's the reaction to equality. But you're welcome not to like it.

 

I just don't get the ice cream analogy. Straight people aren't "losing" half a scoop because of the inclusion of gay and homosexual characters, they are just getting a different flavour. 

[Basement Cat]

Like I have said, I am done.

P.S. In Inquisition we have 1 straight, 1 gay and 4 bi LIs. Take it into consideration.

2 straight, 2 gay, 2 bi, 2 unconfirmed (they could be bi, we don't know). Besides, Bioware is known for including romance content. Why shouldn't they give everyone options?

 

Besides, the romances won't trigger unless you initiate them by using a flirt option. That's hardly forcing anything on you.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Romance content/characters aren't the only ones in the game. They do tend to be the only openly gay characters in the game. Given how much straight content there is in the game as a whole, outside of this one tiny chunk if the game, wouldn't it be more accurate to say lgbt gamers should feel overwhelmed by the amount of heterosexuality present in the game?

[Vapaa]

Like I have said, I am done.

P.S. In Inquisition we have 1 straight, 1 gay and 4 bi LIs. Take it into consideration.

 

>can't even get his facts right

[WildOrchid]

Lol. I laughed.

Many games from Nintendo or Sega have "bi and gay" content, some of them more, some of them less. Even Super Mario Bros (!). As far as I recall, in Metal Gear Solid there also have been some characters like this, bi Vamp for example. Even in Assassin's Creed such content is present. There are plenty of games that contain some references to sexuality.

So, yeah, I feel overwhelmed. And probably plenty of people feel that too.

 

 

I haven't see any of the content you mention. Oh you mean in AC where Leonardo da VInci and Salai are gay? And you felt "overwhelmed" by them?

Oh you poor thing, you.

 

 

 

*99% of media full of straight people* - *straight person feels "overwhelmed" by some gay/bi representation*

 

*other people try to reason with that person and it's ignorant posts* - *straight person says "hate everywhere"*

 

 

 

 

I don't know if i should laugh or cry.

[Basement Cat]

>can't even get his facts right

don't you mean his facts straight? 

[Vapaa]

don't you mean his facts straight? 

 

Darn, what a missed opportunity

[Fialka]

I just don't get the ice cream analogy. Straight people aren't "losing" half a scoop because of the inclusion of gay and homosexual characters, they are just getting a different flavour. 

I get the analogy but would disagree with it... it's more like, the straight person still gets their two scoops of choice. It's just that now the gay person also gets two scoops, and the straight people are going, wait, there was another scoop of ice cream to be had? In a flavor I like? I should be getting three, because all this time you've gotten one and shouldn't you be perfectly satisfied getting any at all?

 

I say this as a straight person. Who really doesn't get what the issue is for other straight people. I mean, you still get your game guys.You still get to enjoy the same things you always got to enjoy. And yet you're resenting others for getting to enjoy it just as much, for the same reasons? How selfish can you be?

 

And not once have I felt bombarded by LGBT content in Dragon Age (did anyone else get a really hilarious mental image at that? Just me? Okay.). At least, no more than I have been 'bombarded' with it in real life. Gay people exist. Bi people exist. Trans people exist. Some are open about it, some aren't. They are not 'intruding' upon you by being who they are. and if you feel that way, it's because you are uncomfortable with it. Your problem, not theirs. Just as it's not the fault of the people who created Dragon Age that you can't just accept these characters for who they are as they are written.

 

Also, as a straight person who reads this thread with interest, and occasionally posts, I have never felt attacked for being straight, nor have I seen any other straight person attacked. All I see are views and statements being challenged that, in my opinion, deserve to be.

[phantomrachie]

Like I have said, I am done.

P.S. In Inquisition we have 1 straight, 1 gay and 4 bi LIs. Take it into consideration.

 

The known romances in DA:I are 2 possibles for straight men, 2 possibles for straight women, 2 possibles for gay men,2 possibles for gay women, and 4 for bisexuals.

 

Due to the nature of our sexuality bisexuals always get more romance options , that is not be overwhelmed with bisexual characters that is the sexuality of LIs being even.

 

Most of the other characters in the game will either be straight or have their sexuality undefined.

 

It is your decision to be made uncomfortable about this, you can either work to get over it, or complain, its up to you. 

[Basement Cat]

And not once have I felt bombarded by LGBT content in Dragon Age (did anyone else get a really hilarious mental image at that? Just me? Okay.). 

Iron Bull did want to toss Sera into a group of enemies...

[Basement Cat]

I don't know if i should laugh or cry.

When in doubt, make innuendos! 

[phantomrachie]

When in doubt, make innuendos! 

 

double inyourendo.........I'll get my coat

[Deviija]

All this ice cream analogy chatter reminds me of the "But I'm a Nice Guy" video by Scott Benson.  There's a part in the video that uses ice cream as an analogy to content, with one party getting the majority of the ice cream from the ice cream machine, but the moment the other party gets ONE scoop, the majority person infers it as them getting everything and then promptly cries in upset.  Doesn't matter if they had four scoops and the other only had one, it's viewed as the other taking from them when it is not the case at all.  There is enough to go around for everyone.  

 

If one group has several choices and another group has several choices, there is nothing being taken away.  

 

Oh you mean in AC where Leonardo da VInci and Salai are gay? And you felt "overwhelmed" by them?

 

If there is any one thing I'll praise the AC series doing with historical accuracy it is Leonardo Da Vinci's sexuality.  

[Lady Nuggins]

Lol. I laughed.

Many games from Nintendo or Sega have "bi and gay" content, some of them more, some of them less. Even Super Mario Bros (!). As far as I recall, in Metal Gear Solid there also have been some characters like this, bi Vamp for example. Even in Assassin's Creed such content is present. There are plenty of games that contain some references to sexuality.

So, yeah, I feel overwhelmed. And probably plenty of people feel that too.

 

Okay I had to google this (carefully, because I'm pretty sure "gay Super Mario Bros" would get me some interesting results).  Because if there is all this gay content flying everywhere, I want to play it.  Oh look, Wikipedia's got us covered!

 

In 1988, a creature in Nintendo's Super Mario Bros. 2, the miniboss named Birdo, was described in the original instruction manual as thinking he was a girl and wanting to be called "Birdetta". This was later censored by Nintendo of America in future appearances of the character.

 

That's the overwhelming gay content in Super Mario Bros?  An offhand joke in an instruction manual about a cartoon bird being trans?

 

Otherwise, we're still talking about one, maybe two characters in each of the few games that feature LGBT content.  And very few games outside of Bioware allow someone to play a gay, lesbian, or bisexual character.  In most games that have optional LGBT content, you have to jump through hoops to get it. 

 

So yes, if you feel overwhelmed, you should probably consider why that is.  If a game with a cast of 20 characters has one gay character and that feels like too many, you should probably re-evaluate why your tolerance level is so low. 

[Maria Caliban]

I just don't get the ice cream analogy. Straight people aren't "losing" half a scoop because of the inclusion of gay and homosexual characters, they are just getting a different flavour.

DA:I is the first Dragon Age game where straight PCs are being locked out of a romance due to gender, and the first BioWare game where straight PCs are locked out of a companion romance due to gender.

Yes, they're losing a romance. Previous to DA:I, Sera and Dorian would be straight or bisexual.

[Basement Cat]

DA:I is the first Dragon Age game where straight PCs are being locked out of a romance due to gender, and the first BioWare game where straight PCs are locked out of a companion romance due to gender.

Yes, they're losing a romance. Previous to DA:I, Sera and Dorian would be straight or bisexual.

Is it really losing an option when it was intended that way from the start? If they had started with Sera and Dorian as straight and then changed them to gay, I would agree it was a loss. Here they were gay from the start.

[Lady Nuggins]

DA:I is the first Dragon Age game where straight PCs are being locked out of a romance due to gender, and the first BioWare game where straight PCs are locked out of a companion romance due to gender.

Yes, they're losing a romance. Previous to DA:I, Sera and Dorian would be straight or bisexual.

 

Previous to DA:I, Sera and Dorian would not be romanceable at all.

 

Every Dragon Age game prior to this one had only 4 LIs.  All 4 of those LIs were available to straight players.

 

This Dragon Age game has 8 LIs.  6 of those are available to straight players.

 

The devs specifically set out to create enough romances that everybody gets options.  If this were not their intent, I highly doubt they would have made so many romance tracks.  They would have done 2 for straight men and 2 for straight women (if that) and called it a day.

[Basement Cat]

OK, I've been thinking about that ice cream analogy more, and I propose an alternative.

 

Games are like a cocktail (whichever you want). Before we just had the drink in the glass. Now some developers are adding a slice of lemon on the side of the glass. Some people are complaining about that slice of lemon being there because they think it completely ruins their drink.

 

The fact is, you can ignore the slice of lemon if you don't like it and even if a drop or two of juice trickle into the glass, it will not ruin the cocktail. And those who like that slice of lemon are happy to squeeze out the juice and mix it in. 

 

Of course we'b be happier with a little paper umbrella too.

[SardaukarElite]

These metaphors are getting out of hand.

 

The devs specifically set out to create enough romances that everybody gets options.  If this were not their intent, I highly doubt they would have made so many romance tracks.  They would have done 2 for straight men and 2 for straight women (if that) and called it a day.

 

The resources must be pulled from somewhere, unless the investors gave them extra budget for extra romances.

 

I'm not sure a player can lose a romance though, they just choose not to use it. It's not like the game checks their sexuality.

[Lady Nuggins]

These metaphors are getting out of hand.

 

 

The resources must be pulled from somewhere, unless the investors gave them extra budget for extra romances.

 

I'm not sure a player can lose a romance though, they just choose not to use it. It's not like the game checks their sexuality.

 

Well the game itself clearly has a higher budget than the previous ones, given how many more options there are overall, how much bigger the world map is, and how many hours of gameplay they're telling us to expect.  I'm pretty sure that is why they could afford to offer so many more choices this time.

[Ianamus]

DA:I is the first Dragon Age game where straight PCs are being locked out of a romance due to gender, and the first BioWare game where straight PCs are locked out of a companion romance due to gender.

Yes, they're losing a romance. Previous to DA:I, Sera and Dorian would be straight or bisexual.

 

The original poster was saying that they felt "overwhelmed" by homosexual and bisexual characters in games in general, and listed examples that were all games with no optional romance content. They don't lose anything if a character in a game with no LI's or romance system happens to be gay. 

 

Also, even in your example they aren't "losing" a romance. Nothing is physically preventing them from playing that romance. In fact I know some straight guys who almost exclusively play female in characters in games, and always pick the female/female romance options. Does that mean they would also be "losing" a romance option if Sera was straight?

[Char]

 
I am not dealing with that fact. I am bombarded with it. I do accept gays and bis, but I have got a feeling that now straight people are getting less important. Everyone is equal, really.

I... Am still stuck on this bit here.
I must have missed the memo where LGBTQ people becoming more represented made straight people less important, as though there was something intrinsically more important with straight people to start with.

Everyone is of equal worth. And that means that everyone is equally important. The introduction of oranges to UK shops didn't make apples any worse as a fruit. People just had the opportunity to buy whichever appealed to them. It's a bit like that with representation- introducing characters who represent other sexualities doesnt diminish existing ones, it just means that more people have an opportunity to see something that appeals to their demographic. I'm all for variety, myself. Everyone deserves the right to find others that they identify with. No-one should have to grow up feeling alone in a crowd of apples.

[karushna5]

He admitted it. Our existance was the bombardment. Being open and existing is somehow a bombardment when we exist. A major character being gay/Bi even not a main character is too much.

Its okay once every few games. The fact that we would wish to exist in every game is a bombardment even if we are much more minor. "Equal" to him is us existing in some places but no more than that. Its frustrating.

I mean I now know what he is talking about. Witcher had a openly Bisexual man. Leonardo in Assassin creed. Ellie and Billl in last of us. Reaver in Fable is Bisexual, a few characters in New Vegas, and a few other places but this was 1 or 2 characters in a sea of straight people and some of them are fairly problematic. That we exist openly in so much media even if it is far less than straight people is somehow "equality" being imbalanced in our favor.

[Char]

He admitted it. Our existance was the bombardment. Being open and existing is somehow a bombardment when we exist. A major character being gay/Bi even not a main character is too much.
Its okay once every few games. The fact that we would wish to exist in every game is a bombardment even if we are much more minor. "Equal" to him is us existing in some places but no more than that. Its frustrating.
I mean I now know what he is talking about. Witcher had a openly Bisexual man. Leonardo in Assassin creed. Ellie and Billl in last of us. Reaver in Fable is Bisexual, a few characters in New Vegas, and a few other places but this was 1 or 2 characters in a sea of straight people and some of them are fairly problematic. That we exist openly in so much media even if it is far less than straight people is somehow "equality" being imbalanced in our favor.

Goodness me, how terrible! LGBTQ people appearing more regularly in the media despite still being terribly underrepresented? Clearly the Gaypocalypse is upon us! *eyeroll*

I'm four months pregnant, which is my excuse for my slowly eroding sense of tact, but this kind of attitude by those people gives me the urge to facepalm of such proportions that it can only be equalled by the time someone told me that they would "never eat filthy foreign food, only good English cooking", and when I asked them what their favourite dish was, promptly replied with "spaghetti bolognese"

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