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[Mes]

- Playersexual doesn't bother me, I think, because i see a individual's sexuality as just one, relatively minor aspect of their character.


- I don't play the romances for the sexual aspect, I play them for the emotional aspect 

 

Can I just say I completely agree with this. I think characters' sexuality is about as important as their hair color - i.e. not important in the slightest. The DA universe is filled with so many conflicts and controversies, and a person's sexuality has never been shown to be one of them. No one in the game cares about who sleeps with whom, and neither do I. And for this reason I believe that the characters themselves don't even consider their sexualities as part of their identity. Sexuality is fluid, not some identifying tattoo plastered to people's foreheads.

 

And I too play the romances for the emotional aspect, 100%. 

[lane]

I don't think a character being straight makes him/her a better-written character. The only reason I might expect it (absent any other clues) is statistical probability.

So I don't think good character writing requires the LI to be written as straight. I think good character writing requires the LI to be written with consistency and logic. So, when a female romances Anders, his dialogue (from Awakening as well as DA2) is consistent with that sort of romance. But, when a male romances him, he adds to (or maybe replaces?) his dialogue to mention Karl, etc. In this case, he again demonstrates logic and realism. And I'm totally fine with male Hawke and female Hawke getting different dialogue with him, because Garrett =/= Marian. I don't see it as "I played a male, so Anders is gay/bi, but when I played a female, Anders was straight." I think Anders is always Anders, a bi man; he just shows different sides of himself and his history depending on who is romancing him. (The same kind of reasoning works with Isabela, too; it's who she is, no matter your Warden's/Hawke's genders.)

 

I hope I didn't misunderstand you--did I answer your objection or miss the point? 

i just completly agree ...for all the characters in Dragon age ,Anders was the most realistic . so well writen and very deep .I also loved the 'Karl-romantic-past' it felt more real than anything or anyone . i loved Fenris because of tormented past and well....he's just so sexy. But Anders will stay the number one character for me. i soooo hope there gonna be a character like him !!! i know i know people would want to see new things ,but a piece just like anders character would be priceless.

[lane]

Can I just say I completely agree with this. I think characters' sexuality is about as important as their hair color - i.e. not important in the slightest. The DA universe is filled with so many conflicts and controversies, and a person's sexuality has never been shown to be one of them. No one in the game cares about who sleeps with whom, and neither do I. And for this reason I believe that the characters themselves don't even consider their sexualities as part of their identity. Sexuality is fluid, not some identifying tattoo plastered to people's foreheads.

 

And I too play the romances for the emotional aspect, 100%. 

lets make it a double agree ,its feels almost too good to know some poeple think the same . SO many characters who doesnt have any plot behind them ,you just need to tell them lets go ,to go with you !!. there is no emotion in it . i blame it part on the bisexual path sorry ,i dont care anymore but yes i think the too much bisexual characters are just the perfect thing to throw at us a empty romantic route . ( am talking only about DA ,didnt play mass effect to relate ) . I happen to play too for the romantic stories. it just feels good to relax with an emotional story after all the fighting .

I wish for inquisition to deepen the emotions of the characters ,give them pasts like Anders and Karl (god knows how it affected me to hear about that relationship even for brief seconds ) ,i also wish to see some 100% gay characters cause that for sure will come with its own back ground story . and also to go back to the gameplay of dragon age origin with the cut scenes you can trigger whenerver you want such as the kisses ,the many dialogues (that tells you more about the character) ,the gifts ,the sex scenes and all .

all in all a different writing for weither you choose a male or female ! thats the most important . Cause a character should not romance in the same ways . Its just wrong .

[lane]

Playersexual doesn't bother me, I think, because i see a individual's sexuality as just one, relatively minor aspect of their character.
I wouldn't like or dislike someone for their sexuality - I would like or dislike them because they are kind/cruel, calm/aggressive, patient/impatient, etc. So in that sense, there are many different aspects of a person's personality that I would consider more important that sexuality.
Take Merrill for instance - she isn't becoming a completely different character if you romance her with a male, then a female. She's still as shy, awkward, naive, determined and perky as ever. She has the same desires and motives as she had before. She has the same storyline and plot points as before. She still rivals you for not supporting her, and friends you for supporting her. The *only* thing that changes in this scenario is her sexuality, and even that is dependent on the player's interpretation.

Now I think I have this opinion because I'm not a highly-sexed person and I've always put very little importance on sex in general. I also couldn't care less if someone is straight, gay, bisexual, etc.

I don't play the romances for the sexual aspect, I play them for the emotional aspect - the ability to pick one of your companions and explore their personality more.
So when I say I prefer playersexual or bisexual romances, I'ts not because want everyone to jump into bed with me or because I want power over their sexualities, it's because I want the ability to explore each character as much as possible.
I suppose I could argue that I would be fine with a more platonic alternative to romances, if Bioware ever decided to go that route.

Some people (and Western culture in general) put a lot of emphasis on sex and sexuality, but for me it is really is a non-issue.

i just wish to make clear that ,its not because i requested gay characters with their own background story and past because of the sex . Its specially and most importanly because i wish to wish to discover the emotionals and romantics ways with such a character . i am just the kind of person who plays for the emotional aspect . Many others will say romance is just a secondary thing in the game .but no ,its not ,its whats make the game touchable .

[lane]

This is a very well written and thought out explanation of a point of view that isn't necessarily what most of the people in this thread will agree with.  I always appreciate reading explanations that vary from mine when the person really takes the time to really think about it.

 

One question that I've always had and I've never seen sufficiently answered is this:  How does a character being written as straight make the writing any more high quality than if they were written as bisexual?  I get the argument that having a variety of sexualities increases the variety, but I don't see how it increases the quality.  Especially when looking at an individual character.  I would contend that Anders character would be no more well written if he were only available to a female character.  So, outside of creating a variety of sexualities that we can encounter, I don't see how it increases the quality of the writing and/or characters.

the mistake they make (from my point of view ) is that they don't create two paths for weither you choose a male or female character ,(when you wanna romance a bisexual chara'). Its the same where it should not !!! Anders was for me the excepetion cause i felt its was more emotional and deep with a male hawke . its felt right with me with his past with karl . bisexuals characters are for many people the standart solution but when you look around they are all empty of personality on the romantic side. they go about the same way with male or female. I am not AGAINST bisexual romancable characters ,but at least to cure this problem ,we should afford two different path with different background story : one made for a male protagonist and a different one for a female . That comes with a lot of inspiration and creativity in the character's writing ,but that would be the greatest thing (for me). I still think there will be a difference between a complete a bi ,straight and gay character (if their was one ) ,each one will go with his own personality at least.

[daveliam]

the mistake they make (from my point of view ) is that they don't create two paths for weither you choose a male or female character ,(when you wanna romance a bisexual chara'). Its the same where it should not !!! Anders was for me the excepetion cause i felt its was more emotional and deep with a male hawke . its felt right with me with his past with karl . bisexuals characters are for many people the standart solution but when you look around they are all empty of personality on the romantic side. they go about the same way with male or female. I am not AGAINST bisexual romancable characters ,but at least to cure this problem ,we should afford two different path with different background story : one made for a male protagonist and a different one for a female . That comes with a lot of inspiration and creativity in the character's writing ,but that would be the greatest thing (for me). I still think there will be a difference between a complete a bi ,straight and gay character (if their was one ) ,each one will go with his own personality at least.

 

It's funny because it seems like the devs are in a catch-22 situation.  If they make different content for the different genders, then people accuse them of sloppy writing and claim the characters are "playersexual" instead of bisexual (see most arguments about Anders and Karl).  But if they keep the romance mostly the same for both genders, then they are accused of lazy writing and shallow romance stories (see the other DA 2 romances, particularly Merrill and Fenris).  Without pumping in resources to beef up the romances, I'm afraid that they won't ever be able to satisfy the bulk of people  I feel for them in that respect.

[Divine Justinia V]

I think playersexual is the best solution in order to balance things out, that way no one feels excluded from certain romances due to gender. I know for me, personally, I hate playing as a male PC, I just can't identify with him, so I always play as a woman. With that said, if Merrill was straight, I would have never gotten to experience her romance story. I don't like missing out on game content because of my gender. I think if someone has a problem with the idea of Merrill being bisexual (due to player-sexuality) than pretend she's straight, make that your headcanon or don't romance her as a female.

[karushna5]

the mistake they make (from my point of view ) is that they don't create two paths for weither you choose a male or female character ,(when you wanna romance a bisexual chara'). Its the same where it should not !!! Anders was for me the excepetion cause i felt its was more emotional and deep with a male hawke . its felt right with me with his past with karl . bisexuals characters are for many people the standart solution but when you look around they are all empty of personality on the romantic side. they go about the same way with male or female. I am not AGAINST bisexual romancable characters ,but at least to cure this problem ,we should afford two different path with different background story : one made for a male protagonist and a different one for a female . That comes with a lot of inspiration and creativity in the character's writing ,but that would be the greatest thing (for me). I still think there will be a difference between a complete a bi ,straight and gay character (if their was one ) ,each one will go with his own personality at least.

This really confuses me, because when I played one thing I liked was the romance did change with your gender, it was subtle and small, but definitely there. The person you are with gender wouldnt change everything. But small things that recognize your gender are all there.

it sometimes feel people want a whole different character with each romance, depending on gender. They recognize it, but it seems they want a different plot? To me they changed it to recognize your gender perfectly. It was nice

[Mockingword]

It's funny how the people who seem to be okay with being excluded never seem to have had to deal with any serious exclusion in real life.

[Hellion Rex]

It's funny how the people who seem to be okay with being excluded never seem to have had to deal with any serious exclusion in real life.

Big assumption there, man.

[Nefla]

Maybe I'm weird, but I feel like if I suddenly changed from being attracted to men to being attracted to other women it wouldn't have an effect on my personality at all.

[SwobyJ]

It's funny how the people who seem to be okay with being excluded never seem to have had to deal with any serious exclusion in real life.

 

Ohhhh boy. Don't even.

[Mockingword]

Big assumption there, man.

Well, the other interpretation is that they are just terrible people.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

While that comment might be coming on a little strong, I have to say, it's hard not to get frustrated with the amount of times I've seen straight guys in these threads break out the, "Traynor turned me down and I didn't care", argument or something similar. I agree, on a rational level, that we shouldn't generalize and we should all stay calm and try to explain the differences that lead to women and LGB players not feeling that same "novelty" of rejection. On a personal and emotional level, sometimes it's not always easy to maintain that level of civility. 

[daveliam]

Well, the other interpretation is that they are just terrible people.

 

While that comment might be coming on a little strong, I have to say, it's hard not to get frustrated with the amount of times I've seen straight guys in these threads break out the, "Traynor turned me down and I didn't care", argument or something similar. I agree, on a rational level, that we shouldn't generalize and we should all stay calm and try to explain the differences that lead to women and LGB players not feeling that same "novelty" of rejection. On a personal and emotional level, sometimes it's not always easy to maintain that level of civility. 

 

Yeah, I agree that this is a particularly frustrating thing to see.  It really is the "novelty" of rejection that makes the Traynor situation both interesting and tolerable for them.  I would love to see how they would feel after four or fives games of having a single or no LI available for them.  Would they still feel that restricting is such a great thing?

 

That being said, the only option that I couldn't support is the playersexual one.  I'd rather have the 2/2/2 approach, if it is done well, than have the character actively and obviously change their sexuality depending on my PC's gender.  It doesn't bother me to have an LI who I don't have access to, provided that the restrictions are even across gender/sexuality.  And, this is coming from someone who has been on the same side of "restrictions" as you in the past.

[Gregolian]

What about those of us that are Asian?  I only ever remember really that guy from the first True Crime and Sleeping Dogs being Asian.

 

And I don't count Final Fantasy frankly  I blame them for this:

 

Damn anime haircuts........

[Mockingword]

What about those of us that are Asian?  I only ever remember really that guy from the first True Crime and Sleeping Dogs being Asian.

There should absolutely be more Asian characters in video games also.

 

Although turning around and bitching out people for cutting their own hair in a way that you dislike rather undermines your point.

 

I seriously doubt that the only reason the Western video game industry avoids Asian protagonists is "doofy haircuts". If that was true, then there would be more of the Asian characters you specifically like. But there aren't.

[Gregolian]

There should absolutely be more Asian characters in video games also.

It's infuriating.  I love what the CinemaSins guys did for Avengers:
"And now, in a potentially racist movie...  they kill off the only 3 Asian characters 3 seconds after the first action scene begins"

 

Still love Avengers though.

 

I would also prefer if they aren't colossal stereotypes either.

[Mockingword]

It's infuriating.  I love what the CinemaSins guys did for Avengers:
"And now, in a potentially racist movie...  they kill off the only 3 Asian characters 3 seconds after the first action scene begins"

 

Still love Avengers though.

 

I would also prefer if they aren't colossal stereotypes either.

I know how you feel. As a gay guy, that new Marvel short they released with the bluray of Thor:TDW really pisses me off.

 

It's frustrating, because I'm a big fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but **** like that makes it hard to enjoy.

[daveliam]

What about those of us that are Asian?  I only ever remember really that guy from the first True Crime and Sleeping Dogs being Asian.

 

And I don't count Final Fantasy frankly  I blame them for this:

 

Damn anime haircuts........

 

I have to admit.  I found this picture really amusing. 

[Mockingword]

Racism is super lulzy.

 

Also, loving the implication that "feminine" men deserve mockery. Genius.

[Gregolian]

I have to admit.  I found this picture really amusing. 

They did one for Sweden too:

 

I know how you feel. As a gay guy, that new Marvel short they released with the bluray of Thor:TDW really pisses me off.

 

It's frustrating, because I'm a big fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but **** like that makes it hard to enjoy.

Wait, what was the short?  I rarely watch special features.

[Mockingword]

Wait, what was the short?  I rarely watch special features.

All Hail The King. It's about what the Mandarin is getting up to in prison.

 

It's basically 15 minutes of "LOL PRISON MAKES YOU GAY".

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I know how you feel. As a gay guy, that new Marvel short they released with the bluray of Thor:TDW really pisses me off.

 

It's frustrating, because I'm a big fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but **** like that makes it hard to enjoy.

What happened in the short?

Edit: Nevermind

[Gregolian]

All Hail The King. It's about what the Mandarin is getting up to in prison.

 

It's basically 15 minutes of "LOL PRISON MAKES YOU GAY".

I hated that short more for the fact that it was a cop out for them absolutely ****** up a character.

 

I have no issue with feminine men either with that pic...  I have an issue with that ****** atrocious choice in hair and with the Sweden one all of them looking like goddamn Jersey Shore rejects.