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And what if it interferes with how the writes want to make a character?
Do I think that it should have better race distribution? Yes
Am I mad at Bioware for not having said distribution? No
However it should be brought up that it could have been done better so future games may benefit with more diversity in the options. Just like other valid complaints about various aspects of the game.
But if you look historically, it used to be almost all elf ladies in the earlier Bioware games (BG 2, NWN).
Which is awesome, 'cause elf ladies are awesome. Well, they are in the Forgotten Realms, anyway. Elves in DA aren't particularly attractive and age, which means that there aren't any real advantages to romancing elf girls. Come to think of it, is there any real difference between romancing human women and elf women in Dragon Age?
is there any real difference between romancing human women and elf women in Dragon Age?
Their background , for exemple you can say to Alistair 'even if I'm not human?' . And the heigh difference...and the fact you can't be with him if he become King . while a human Noble can .
Which is awesome, 'cause elf ladies are awesome. Well, they are in the Forgotten Realms, anyway. Elves in DA aren't particularly attractive and age, which means that there aren't any real advantages to romancing elf girls. Come to think of it, is there any real difference between romancing human women and elf women in Dragon Age?
Actually, yeah that can be a story point in the DA games. For instance, between a romanced Merrill and a male Hawke, the conversation about kids comes up. Merrill expresses some concerns about having an elf-blooded kid. Mainly because she was raised to help further the Dalish, which included avoiding kids with humans. Then there is the whole story arc with the Dreamer in DA2 as well. His mother was kicked out of the Dalish clan for having an elf-blooded human child. From Origins, if you were a elven woman, you couldn't marry Alistair due to the utter scandal that would come from having an elven queen. It hasn't been a huge plot point yet, but it has been brought up in the games. More so in the EU.
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Should it really matter though?
Dragon Age Elves have become atrociously ugly. Bioware is helping the gays by giving them all to the straight people!
Well, this isn't insulting at all now, is it?
Dragon Age Elves have become atrociously ugly. Bioware is helping the gays by giving them all to the straight people!
I think the preferred term is queer when referring to all LGB people.
And yeah, this is pretty damn offensive.
We have two options in DAI. And neither is an elf. Cant we forget all this SJW nonsense? Who cares seriously
As is this, I hardly think we're veering into SJW territory by talking about LGBTQ things. They are not one and the same.
Dragon Age Elves have become atrociously ugly. Bioware is helping the gays by giving them all to the straight people!
@FaWa I know you're just seeking attention, so rest assured that this is the last time I will be addressing you.
Good for you, so glad you have an opinion that you want to push on anyone and everyone. Glad to see you can at least type coherently so at least you are easy to understand.
@FaWa I know you're just seeking attention, so rest assured that this is the last time I will be addressing you.
Good for you, so glad you have an opinion that you want to push on anyone and everyone. Glad to see you can at least type coherently so at least you are easy to understand.
That's great you have all of these strong feelings, but guess what? BioWare doesn't give a crap if you think inclusion is a waste of time, or that the "elves are ugly."The posters don't give a crap if you think it's a waste of time. You're wasting your time being here. BioWare has talked time and time again about how they are making money by doing this. In all your ranting and flailing, you failed to notice one key fact:That so far, there is nothing to indicate that having LGBT content has negatively affected their sales in the years since they started offering any sort of LGBT romance content.So, do yourself a huge favor: Vote with your wallet. Stop wasting key strokes/text minutes and just don't buy the game. It's really easy to do. I know I won't care. Probably a lot of other people won't either.Do you realize that your $60-70 is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of people that have bought and played the games? The millions more that will probably buy this game too? You underestimate the size of the player base here, big time. This isn't some small indie outfit. I also find it very humorous that you honestly believe that only the queer community wants and enjoys this content.Give it up. Let it go. That much hate isn't good for you. Really, you're going to waste your time with this?There is a bunch of games out there just for you. Where you don't have to put up with anything you don't like, that don't challenge your worldview. Games that let you drift in the sea of the status quo. Nothing but straight relationships and straight PCs as far as the eye can see. You should probably go do that. Otherwise, inclusion is apart of BioWare's goals, and has been for years now. To make great games for everyone. You have no choice but to deal with it, or find another game company where you are safe from all the stuff you refuse to learn more about.Good day.
My thoughts exactly, well said Nat
Uh, no, it's not.I think the preferred term is queer when referring to all LGB people.
Uh, no, it's not.
If they had said "the queers", it would not have been any better. (In fact, I would have found it offensive, whereas I find the post as it is to simply be dumb.)
Queer people can use the word when referring to themselves or their peers (how appropriate it is depends on context, as always). Everybody else can use the word (IMO) when involved in discussions of various issues related to gender and sexuality, unless it's intended to be derogatory or dismissive (again, that context thing). But walking around calling people "queer" is not very polite if you're not sure what terms they care to use to describe themselves; the word has too negative a history to be so freely thrown around.
"Gay people" is the phrase you are looking for.
The LGBTQ people call themselves queer, they use it to refer to themselves as an over all group, I for one would have no issue with someone calling me queer, and I feel there's only a negative connotation within context.
I personally prefer being called queer to being called gay, the LGBTQ people I know also prefer it, if you disagree that's fine.
Reapropriation is so interesting. In the UK it's generally not ok for anyone to use queer who isn't, except for maybe in an academic sense, like when discussing the LGBT or something.
'Queer' is a difficult one. Many people self identify as queer and are perfectly happy with the word, but the converse is not necessarily true. There are plenty who dislike the word and still consider it offensive, particularly when used by anyone who isn't LGBTQ themselves.
Personally I try not to get offended by words and will only take issue if I perceive the intent beneath the word to be problematic. Having said that though, I dislike it when any of these words are used as nouns. They are adjectives. So for instance talking about 'a gay woman' is fine, but describing someone as 'a gay' is horrible. The former suggests that there is a lot more to the person than their sexuality, the latter approach suggests they are nothing but a sexuality. The same applies to ethnic groups.
The LGBTQ people call themselves queer, they use it to refer to themselves as an over all group, I for one would have no issue with someone calling me queer, and I feel there's only a negative connotation within context.
I personally prefer being called queer to being called gay, the LGBTQ people I know also prefer it, if you disagree that's fine.
I just want to pop in and say that I don't find the term "queer" to represent me at all. I actually cringe every time I hear someone use it. Perhaps it's an age thing. I was a young gay kid in the 80's and 90's when "queer" was just an insult. There was no appropriation around the term, so it was just 100% insulting. I understand that the reappopriation of the work comes from academics, but Judith Butler and other queer theorists were still developing these ideas while I was in high school and early college, so I guess I had already been conditioned against the term at that point.
However, the people who I see using "queer" are mostly millennials, who were just born when Queer Theory was being developed and were able to have this term already exist as they began to better understand their sexuality. I've not seen very many people in their mid-30's+ using "queer". Of course some people in that demographic use it, but it's not a terribly popular term. At least in my experience. I understand why people use it to describe themselves, but I really really dislike it when they describe me with the term, as I'd never self-identify as "queer".
Just another perspective on the matter.
"queer". If I'm not allowed to use it, someone else shouldn't be either. Discrimination is discrimination, 'positive' or negative. But isn't all this getting off topic? Or does it not matter after 79 pages?
I just want to pop in and say that I don't find the term "queer" to represent me at all. I actually cringe every time I hear someone use it. Perhaps it's an age thing. I was a young gay kid in the 80's and 90's when "queer" was just an insult. There was no appropriation around the term, so it was just 100% insulting. I understand that the reappopriation of the work comes from academics, but Judith Butler and other queer theorists were still developing these ideas while I was in high school and early college, so I guess I had already been conditioned against the term at that point.
However, the people who I see using "queer" are mostly millennials, who were just born when Queer Theory was being developed and were able to have this term already exist as they began to better understand their sexuality. I've not seen very many people in their mid-30's+ using "queer". Of course some people in that demographic use it, but it's not a terribly popular term. At least in my experience. I understand why people use it to describe themselves, but I really really dislike it when they describe me with the term, as I'd never self-identify as "queer".
Just another perspective on the matter.
Interesting. It wasn't until I went to London Pride in er, '97 I think it was, that I discovered people using the word 'queer' to describe themselves. Prior to that I'd always taken it to be a purely insulting term. That was also when I encountered women using the word '******' to describe themselves. That too had always been a pejorative term. I'm glad that the situation is much improved since then but I must admit, both words still make me a little uncomfortable. As you say though, it's a generational thing.
Edit: interesting, BSN still considers it a word to be starred out... The word sometimes refers to a large embankment that holds back water. 
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I wasn't aware of Judith Butler having anything to do with this, I thought that all came after the word was reappropriated.
"queer". If I'm not allowed to use it, someone else shouldn't be either. Discrimination is discrimination, 'positive' or negative. But isn't all this getting off topic? Or does it not matter after 79 pages?
You are allowed to use it, we are allowed to disapprove of you using it and or find it offensive. That's how it all works.
Edit: nm, not all insults carry (on average) the same level of offense.
Edit: nm, not all insults carry (on average) the same level of offense.
Generally I feel the same way about all words. That doesn't mean companies (like Bioware for example) shouldn't be able to censor what they deem to be offensive from their websites and or other forms of media. I don't really see why it's a problem though in the majority of cases, you have no reason to use that word.
Anyway this is a complicated and sensitive issue and I do not wish to derail the thread. If you want me to expand my position then PM me about.
I just want to pop in and say that I don't find the term "queer" to represent me at all. I actually cringe every time I hear someone use it. Perhaps it's an age thing. I was a young gay kid in the 80's and 90's when "queer" was just an insult. There was no appropriation around the term, so it was just 100% insulting. I understand that the reappopriation of the work comes from academics, but Judith Butler and other queer theorists were still developing these ideas while I was in high school and early college, so I guess I had already been conditioned against the term at that point.
However, the people who I see using "queer" are mostly millennials, who were just born when Queer Theory was being developed and were able to have this term already exist as they began to better understand their sexuality. I've not seen very many people in their mid-30's+ using "queer". Of course some people in that demographic use it, but it's not a terribly popular term. At least in my experience. I understand why people use it to describe themselves, but I really really dislike it when they describe me with the term, as I'd never self-identify as "queer".
Just another perspective on the matter.
As a fellow mid-30s member of the LGBT community, let's just say you're not alone on this one. Growing up, for me, the word "queer" was snarled at me right before someone tried to beat me up. I appreciate also re-appropriation of words, and I'm glad that the younger generation is finding more of their own identity. On the forums I don't have an issue being called/using the term queer, but offline, I usually hear it in negative terms. It could be more of a regional thing; I've seen folks from Europe, Canada and other countries use the word queer to describe the LGBT community, but rarely here in the States
I just want to pop in and say that I don't find the term "queer" to represent me at all. I actually cringe every time I hear someone use it. Perhaps it's an age thing. I was a young gay kid in the 80's and 90's when "queer" was just an insult. There was no appropriation around the term, so it was just 100% insulting. I understand that the reappopriation of the work comes from academics, but Judith Butler and other queer theorists were still developing these ideas while I was in high school and early college, so I guess I had already been conditioned against the term at that point.
However, the people who I see using "queer" are mostly millennials, who were just born when Queer Theory was being developed and were able to have this term already exist as they began to better understand their sexuality. I've not seen very many people in their mid-30's+ using "queer". Of course some people in that demographic use it, but it's not a terribly popular term. At least in my experience. I understand why people use it to describe themselves, but I really really dislike it when they describe me with the term, as I'd never self-identify as "queer".
Just another perspective on the matter.
Hell, I'm barely 20 and I cringe at the word "queer" as well.
As a fellow mid-30s member of the LGBT community, let's just say you're not alone on this one. Growing up, for me, the word "queer" was snarled at me right before someone tried to beat me up. I appreciate also re-appropriation of words, and I'm glad that the younger generation is finding more of their own identity. On the forums I don't have an issue being called/using the term queer, but offline, I usually hear it in negative terms. It could be more of a regional thing; I've seen folks from Europe, Canada and other countries use the word queer to describe the LGBT community, but rarely here in the States
I hear ya. We use to have a game called "Smear the Queer" when I was growing up where a kid would throw a football in the air and whoever caught it was the "queer" and the entire point of the game was to tackle and pummel the "queer". Charming. Got to love that Pennsyltucky mentality.
However, I do appreciate the idea of reappropriation as well. I'm thrilled that there are younger "queer" people who can hear that word and not be classically conditioned to get a surge of adrenaline from their "Fight or Flight" responses.
Hell, I'm barely 20 and I cringe at the word "queer" as well.
You're an "old soul", elu. Just like me and Nata. You know, for a youngin.....!
Aaaannnnd, how about those "New GAY propositions", huh?
Dorian and Sera are pretty gay, right?
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