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[Radahldo]

 

i tjink i would play swtor if it were for mac (i dont feel like installing bootcamp)

 

he in particular interests me a lot

[Pups_of_war_76]

I found the problem with playing SWTOR for character interactions is that it takes so much longer to get through MMOs, meaning it takes so much longer to get through these arcs

 

it's not that the companions are by-and-large worse than in bioware single-player games or anything, it's that

 

"Welp I did a dungeon. Now I can talk to my party again!" in  mass effect or dragon age

 

vs

 

"Welp I just did quest-grinding for eleven hours. Maybe I have unlocked the next stage of so-and-so's character arc"

 

is a pretty big difference and makes things less satisfying, for me. 

[Masha Potato]

yeah it also feels really incomplete most of the time when your convos just end and you're left wanting more

[Masha Potato]

also the sheer amount of bullshit in swtor is really hard to deal with idk

[Radahldo]

ill stick to the viideos

[Moussey]

I think I got to lvl 15 on my bounty hunter before I got tired

[Pups_of_war_76]

I've gotten a few characters to the mid levels, but things really slow down once you hit Hoth and onwards, and I get bored

 

combination of bad level design on Bioware's part and just the nature of MMOs. 

[Masha Potato]

i actually got some to fifty but i was playing with a frand mostly

jedi knight will forever be the worst 

speaking of mmos i really liked the dominion part of ESO but it's unjustifiably expensive and gets old p quick

i'd say if you're not super deep in mmo subculture (aka have time/desire to spend several hours a week on ops or whatever) you just don't get enough kicks out of those games

[Pups_of_war_76]

I mean I have fun with groups, but I just get so bored with solo questing that I have mostly stopped playing 

[Radahldo]

what dont you like about eh jedi knight?

how do you al feel about the characters youve played

[Masha Potato]

well jedi knight is like a mass effect plot only with ten times less logic and ten times more stupidity if that makes sense.

also it verges into the kotor plots and just shoves into your face all the stuff i tried forgetting about, like drew's book about Revan. actually i stopped playing when those parts with revan began. the lady VA is really obnoxious too

my favourite is actually a bounty hunter i think. it has great companions and plot is entertaining to some point, even though it fell apart  in the end. it never goes into shady dark side/light side twists and never touches things that bioware always screws up, like you know, mental illness

trooper was decent all over with good characters some good plot points and it actually remained decent right until the end. dark side choices made sense and weren't just mwahahaha let me kill all of you for fun! 

smuggler was entertaining but went overboard with some unnecessary gender role weirdness. but also it's my favorite healing class so i played it most of all

consular is kinda boring but not annoyingly so

basically all republic plots sans the knight are fine, if not super catchy. i just preferred to play the rep classes because no one was giving me quests to kill aliens because of institutionalized xenophobia and stuff like that. i think i actually skipped an entire planet on the bounty hunter because it was just endless "go murder the group of x species cause they suck! glory to our psycho emperor!"

bleh

[Masha Potato]

sith warrior is the actual worst tbh. not only do you get a slave with a shock collar that you can zing till the end of her convos, but you also get a companion who kills his incompetent ex-superior officer for having an obvious mental illness and failing in his job for that reason. but you know, since the high command or whoever don't want to investigate and relieve him of his command killing him is the only viable option. those pesky people with issues ruining our military!

also another companion basically forces his lady ex-collegue into sexing up some rich guy to get resources haha

 

i heard a lot of good things about agent but i haven't actually gotten far with it. for some reason

[Masha Potato]

also all the kill aliens quests are especially hilarious when you're not playing a human or a sith and everyone jsut remarks "well YOU"RE different of course!"

nice try 

[Masha Potato]

it says something about the game when i appoint two classes to be the worst simultaneously!

[Pups_of_war_76]

I think Warrior is fine when played full light-side 

 

Lightside warrior is probably the most gallant of characters and is positioned for this to be far more interesting than it is for a Jedi. Roleplaying a stiffly honorable martinet who is very vocally baffled by all of this politicking and force mysticism is kinda fun, particularly with Baras being one of the more entertaining villains. 

 

It's the makings of a good pulp fantasy novel, at the very least, and I think has a lot more weight than either lightside or darkside Jedi Knight. A lot of people like lightside warrior a bunch. 

 

But it's weird when you're doing that, but see all these other darkside warriors going around 

 

Like I think lightside Vettemance (and you have to go lightside to romance Vette, fortunately) is really cute, but while you're doing it there's this back-of-the-mind knowledge that, somewhere, another Sith Warrior is doing the weird shock-fetish thing with her. 

[Masha Potato]

sure but you don't get to change anything in Quinn's situation nor do you get to slap that other guy across the face. it's just not something i can get over i guess

[Masha Potato]

i mean yeah it's definitely good in places and i actually prefer the class plots of the empire people but there are always things that are so outrageously wrong that i lose all desire to continue for a couple of months

i also don't appreciate the teacher/apprentice romances swtor has got going, especially considering it's all so straight

[Pups_of_war_76]

quinn is bad yeah

 

speaking of quinn this reminds me of another thing that's weird about swtor in comparison to single-player bioware rpgs, which is that, as the pc, you have no opportunity to take any actions that alter the nature or membership of your crew.

 

like you should 100% definitely be able to kill Quinn after his act 3 bullshit but you aren't allowed

[Masha Potato]

snap his neck

[Radahldo]

it is weird how most the romances are based on weird power dynamics

 

if it was a gay romance like that people would have so much nasty things to say about it

[Radahldo]

hows sith inquisior

[Masha Potato]

i liked the inquisitor, but i don't really have anything special to say about it. the dude love interest is voiced by steve blum so that's cool. also it's nice for roleplay because you start out as a slave and have a lot of options to roll your eyes at the empire things. all but the last of the companions were alright. none of them were pointlessly violent/empire loyalists. you just roll around doing your own thing most of the time, which felt nice if maybe a bit disconnected from central events

[Pups_of_war_76]

 

 

i also don't appreciate the teacher/apprentice romances swtor has got going, especially considering it's all so straight

 

that every romance for male force characters is teacher/student is weird

 

Male Inquisitor/Ashara and Male Warrior/Jaesa are both hideously creepy. 

Male Consular/Nadia is comparatively benign but is also essentially "reddit: the rock-opera". 

Male Knight/Kira is probably the best of these, mostly because it's easier to see them as peers because they were padawans at the same time and one happened to get promoted faster than the other, but it's also the most painfully generic fantasy romance anyway, much like everything with Knight.

 

female characters are slightly better in that regard, since while their love interests are still inevitably subordinate, they at least tend to come from some other power structure (military, generally)

 

I'm not sure why female jedi can't have handsome male padawans but whatever. 

 

 

hows sith inquisior

 

One thing that I do genuinely like about the Sith classes, combat mechanics and companions and romances aside, is the strong mutual-foil dynamic that's set up between Warrior and Inquisitor. 

 

As Inquisitor, you're this slave who has been thrust into the meat grinder of sith apprenticeship - which comes along with both tremendous opportunity and tremendous peril - because someone happened to notice and untapped force potential. You play out this character's rise in power from the bottom tier of this society to the top, opposed by conservative forces within said society. You have a starter-world antagonist who epitomizes this, hailing from an ancient Sith bloodline, being groomed for lordship since birth, etc

 

As Warrior, you are positioned in a manner highly similar to the Inquisitor's first antagonist. You hail from an ancient Sith bloodline, have been groomed for lordship since birth, are clearly baffled by the realities of the Sith process due to having been coddled, and so on. You have a starter-world antagonist who is similar to the Inquisitor: a guy who has clawed his way up from low origins by dint of sheer ambition and persistence and is placed in opposition to your greater raw talent and privilege. Abilities and potential that you haven't really worked for.

 

It's a fun little collaboration and there is, unfortunately, nothing like that between the Consular and Knight. 

[Masha Potato]

 

I'm not sure why female jedi can't have handsome male padawans but whatever. 

another reason i strongly dislike jedi knight is Doc being a super obnoxious and pushy creeper. you have to tell him you're not interested in every other conversation i think

[Radahldo]

is teh bounty hunter cool? How much fandalorian stuff is there?