I've played Dragon Age: Origins many times and have always been split on the decision to either let Loghain live or die. What do you guys do with him and why? I'm curious to see both sides opinion and reason behind it.
Should Loghain Live or Die?
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:17
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Too bad there is no option to have him and Alistair as companions together.
This came up in one of the threads earlier - filed under stupid within the game for how the landsmeet goes down and the fact that riordan is standing in eamon's house all that time during the denerim quests and never bothers to mention that very important bit about killing the archdemon and dying. Sort of a tie in to the dark ritual. Actually I was the one who brought it up.
All of the heated debate about loghain could be avoided for the most part if the game didn't insist on either or and if it gave you a persuade option to chill alistair and convince him that we can throw him at the archdemon.... of course, at that point we STILL don't know that whoever kills it dies which would have really changed the stupid of the landsmeet from average stupid to unquantifiable stupid had we known and not gotten the option because everyone who doesn't like him would think - yes, demon cookie! He should be the demon cookie and we get to live and don't have to give morrigan that freaky old god baby chew toy.
Sorry, I'm being silly. The whole thing just has me amused now as it's just so... absurd.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:23
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One thing that makes me want to keep him alive is the possibility that he could show up in Inquisition. If you let him live he says that the wardens are sending him to Orlais and since the next game is in Orlais that makes me wonder if he will have a cameo.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:30
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Never keep a character alive because you think he *might* show up in an upcoming game. I don't even think they are going to be using the traditional import files as we have with ME and DAO. There was some thing about that mentioned. DAI section of the forum might have more information.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:33
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Never keep a character alive because you think he *might* show up in an upcoming game. I don't even think they are going to be using the traditional import files as we have with ME and DAO. There was some thing about that mentioned. DAI section of the forum might have more information.
That is not the main reason I want keep him alive, I would list it in the far back. It was just a curiosity of mine because I like his character.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:36
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Oh boy.... here we go. I'm just going to sit back and watch this thread implode.
Who cares to join me? I've got popcorn!
I was thinking the exact same thing. The ethics of what Loghain did is one of the most debated topics in Dragon Age it seems.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:37
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where is my popcorn?
*calls a daemonette* sweetheart would you please bring me some popcorn? Chaos is coming to bsn, any minute now.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:42
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Off with his head!
I've only spared him once. I still can't see him as the deep and complex character many people here make him out to be. He's not worth it to lose Alistair over.
Yeah, the first time I played I wanted him dead. Then Riordan interrupts me with his "make him a warden" speech and I was thinking "shut up you bleeding heart!" and killed Loghain. Then later I found out why Riordan was pestering me. Still, it's odd how he'll become silent if Anora becomes queen and calls for Alistair's execution. What happened to that "we need as many wardens as possible" logic? Someone in Loghain's house is paying him under the table I think.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:42
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I usually keep him alive, but recently I have be contemplating executing him. although his soldiers would have died had he stayed and faught, it still should be punished, and not to mention the other crimes he has commited, and i do not believe that he could be trusted.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:43
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I keep him alive because of his rousing speeches. Impressive. Blatantly brushing aside slavery and blood magic in a few sentences, right in front of everyone. lol
Seriously though, the whole game revolves around you enjoying your time as a Warden or resenting it. You could do as Wynne says, and embrace your role, and crappy lot in life.. or rebel and be unhappy. Loghain offers redemption from that in a way. You make him live through it instead. That's a punishment better than a simple death. I don't believe as Alistair thinks... that's it's some kind of honor to be a Warden. He's a goddamn fool. It's a punishment.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:57
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I'd sooner destroy a stained-glass window than an artist of war as Loghain.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 04:59
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I feel like his retreat from Ostagar was a right one but the way he tried to take over Ferelden, not to mention all the immoral acts he does, completely discredits him. Even though he did what he did that doesn't mean I feel that death is a Just punishment. It seems like a better punishment to have him go thorough the ritual and either die like Alistair wants, or live and possibly redeem himself.
I would choose to let him live on my game if not for the fact that Alistair leaves your party and basically despises you for it no matter how high your relationship is. I don't like Anora as a person and having Alistair marry her makes me feel terrible, she seems like she would back-stab him at any moment.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:00
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I'd sooner destroy a stained-glass window than an artist of war as Loghain.
His dialogue about being a general is one of my favorite things about him. About how to draw the line between getting close to soldiers and sending them to their deaths... and how you have to do that with him.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:08
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Character origin might play a role in whether or not to spare Loghain. In my personal canon playthrough (male human noble), I had the Warden seperate Loghain's traitorous head from it's shoulders.
With that Warden it was far too personal for Loghain to ever have had a chance of surviving the Landsmeet, short of defeating the Warden. His fate was sealed the moment he yielded. Howe could not have carried out the murder of the Couslands without Loghain's approval and protection. He was an accessory in the murder of that Warden's family, and honor demanded that he die for it.
With other origins however it could be possible that the conflict with Loghain is more political than personal.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:11
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I don't believe as Alistair thinks... that's it's some kind of honor to be a Warden. He's a goddamn fool. It's a punishment.
I think this through the entire campaign and roll my eyes whenever a character says otherwise. Characters pat you on the back and say how lucky you are to join the wardens at the start and I'm thinking, "What have you been smoking? I'm lucky to get to die from the joining, die from darkspawn, or die from the taint at a young age?!" Oh, that's right. Hush now. Those are Grey Warden secrets, right? Amazing how they keep those so secretive or so long; especially with people like Anora who blurt out during the Landsmeet that the joining is often fatal. How she came to know about that I have no idea but now the whole courtroom knows.
Let's not forget that the Grey Warden are much like the Night's Watch from A Song of Ice and Fire as they recruit criminals. At least ASOIF gave them a more realistic level of respect; or lack thereof. How respected would an order like the Grey Wardens be that recruited people who were about to be hanged?
So yes, StreetMagic, it's certainly a punishment. Best take advantage of those ignorant fools who look up to you for it in-game while it lasts. lol
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:12
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With other origins however there it is possible that the conflict with Loghain is more political than personal.
Hell, a Dalish can tell Duncan right away that he'll pay for conscripting him/her. They give you enough tools here to make a character who might not mind what Loghain did. Then later, after Alistair tells you that being a Grey Warden is a death sentence and he starts sobbing about Duncan, you can further tell him that Duncan deserved it.
Anyways.. I don't always pick them, but I'm glad that the options exist. Because for the most part, the game is very handed in telling you how great the Wardens are. Everything about Wynne and Alistair revolves around this imo.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:13
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I think this through the entire campaign and roll my eyes whenever a character says otherwise. Characters pat you on the back and say how lucky you are to join the wardens at the start and I'm thinking, "What have you been smoking? I'm lucky to get to die from the joining, die from darkspawn, or die from the taint at a young age?!" Oh, that's right. Hush now. Those are Grey Warden secrets, right? Amazing how they keep those so secretive or so long; especially with people like Anora who blurt out during the Landsmeet that the joining is often fatal. How she came to know about that I have no idea but now the whole courtroom knows.
Let's not forget that the Grey Warden are much like the Night's Watch from A Song of Ice and Fire as they recruit criminals. At least ASOIF gave them a more realistic level of respect; or lack thereof. How respected would an order like the Grey Wardens be that recruited people who were about to be hanged?
So yes, StreetMagic, it's certainly a punishment. Best take advantage of those ignorant fools who look up to you for it in-game while it lasts. lol
I think the Night's Watch might be worse. You can't even get laid. Not sure what's worse. That or an early death.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:15
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I keep him alive because of his rousing speeches. Impressive. Blatantly brushing aside slavery and blood magic in a few sentences, right in front of everyone. lol
It's true. The way he dismisses things like slavery, torture of nobles, and blood magic makes me think "He's so calm about it. Maybe I'm just overreacting. Now I feel like such a fool even bringing it up in front of everyone." That Loghain has the gift of gab.
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Posté 06 avril 2014 - 05:16
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If Loghain was an 'artist of war', he was using finger paints on printer paper.
Well, when lolCailan is your king, you can't have the nice things.
Still good enough to liberate his country from the Orlesian empire.
