He doesn't show up in any of my playthroughs, even for Coronation. Maybe because it's Anora as ruler?
Yeah, he won't appear at the Coronation if Anora's in charge (though Anora will mention that he's trying to get her attention). My guess is his appearance is linked to Alistair being king. Still, it's a bit strange to see Teagan, Isolde and Connor all at my Warden's funeral without Eamon.
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Eh, I'm not missing anything. He's the same kind of jerk that Duncan is. A deceptive, nice guy bearded face... but full of conniving b.s. that will undermine you.
And Harrowmont, for that matter.
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Eh, I'm not missing anything. He's the same kind of jerk that Duncan is. A deceptive, nice guy bearded face... but full of conniving b.s. that will undermine you.
And Harrowmont, for that matter.
Be wary of men with beards... for the most part anyway. Especially when the are in a position of power or perhaps when they are in a position of power.
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Be wary of men with beards... for the most part anyway. Especially when the are in a position of power or perhaps when they are in a position of power.
I think in the real world though, it's mustaches (Stalin, Hitler, Saddam...). But in this game, it's beards.
Loghain is really nuts to be so paranoid about orlais. I excuse it for different reasons because I find it kind of compelling. That's his whale... his undoing. But at the same time, it's not really different from Alistair's whining. Kind of like.... yes, we get it already, now can we please move on.
I'm still ticked at Eamon for not bothering to appear at my Warden's funeral in REDCLIFFE when Anora's the sole ruler. My Warden saved his village, family, and country, but Eamon can't even make the trip down the hill to pay his respects if he doesn't have Alistair in charge. Teagan, Isolde and Connor are there. What a jerk
That's funny, I never noticed that. Glad his family went there and left him behind, we know the true reason. 
(brooding in the castle at his lost power)
I'm still ticked at Eamon for not bothering to appear at my Warden's funeral in REDCLIFFE when Anora's the sole ruler. My Warden saved his village, family, and country, but Eamon can't even make the trip down the hill to pay his respects if he doesn't have Alistair in charge. Teagan, Isolde and Connor are there. What a jerk
With every playthrough I grow more and more convinced that Loghain was right about Eamon being a manipulative jerk who cares little for Alistair, aside from wanting to make him into his puppet.
Teagan actually shows more joy at seeing Alistair alive and well, as well as more affection towards his "sort-of nephew" than Eamon ever does in Origins. And it's Teagan who comes after Drunk!Alistair in DA2 and convinces him to try to reclaim his birthright, (although it could have been on Eamon's orders). For the most part, Eamon seems to just wash his hands of Alistair if he doesn't become King.
Of course, since he's trying to overthrow Anora and kick her off the throne, it's possible if she becomes sole ruler she chucks him in the dungeon.
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With every playthrough I grow more and more convinced that Loghain was right about Eamon being a manipulative jerk who cares little for Alistair, aside from wanting to make him into his puppet.
Teagan actually shows more joy at seeing Alistair alive and well, as well as more affection towards his "sort-of nephew" than Eamon ever does in Origins. And it's Teagan who comes after Drunk!Alistair in DA2 and convinces him to try to reclaim his birthright, (although it could have been on Eamon's orders). For the most part, Eamon seems to just wash his hands of Alistair if he doesn't become King.
Of course, since he's trying to overthrow Anora and kick her off the throne, it's possible if she becomes sole ruler she chucks him in the dungeon.
Loghain was definitely right about Eamon. Not a single thing Eamon does gives any indication that he cares one iota about Alistair beyond using him as a puppet for the throne one day. Nothing in the past and nothing in the present. Kind of why I love to just keep Alistair as a warden in most games unless I become queen and rule beside him in which case I don't care what the epilogues say, Eamon is out. Teagan would likely be given preference over Eamon since Eamon already has redcliffe and yes, Teagan is happy to see him and is the one who shows up to help him.
What always amuses me is how upset Alistair gets if you don't save both Isolde and Connor. You can use cunning or persuade to limit how badly he takes it by shoving in his face that he's more upset because it was a personal thing but it would be nice if you had another option to point out that while he thinks he owed Eamon something, Eamon did absolutely nothing for him but allow him TO THINK he did something for him. He actually put alistair in the chantry which alistair HATED and because he hated it so much he picked being a grey warden just to get out of it. So technically, Eamon is responsible for Alistiar's taint, likely not having children, and his eventual death due to the taint, and if you really want to get down to the truth of it, Alistair doesn't even like being a warden (which he admits in the fade but apparently is in denial of while awake). If Eamon hadn't packed him off to the chantry and maybe just let him be a soldier, Alistair might have had a shot at a decent life one day. He could have met a woman, married, had children - the family he always wanted... so really, all of that is Eamon's fault. I suspect the chantry was even chosen so that he could easily find alistair if he ever needed another heir.
I'm not fond of Eamon either-but there were some extenuating circumstances that led to Alistair being raised the way he was.Loghain's dialogue about Alistair makes it clear Maric wanted to raise him, but there were concerns about how doing that would impact Rowan. isolde enters the picture, makes Eamon get rid of the boy, and sends him to the Chantry.Now Eamon doesn't know anything about what the lyrium does to templars, he thinks he's doing a great thing for the boy. Duncan rides in, recruits Alistair, and the rest is history. Like I said, I'm not fond of Eamon, but I don't see there were a lot of alternatives available to him.
Loghain was likely talking about the period of time in which the decision was made to either have Maric raise the boy or give to Eamon to raise. At that time, Rowan should have still been alive-but I'll admit I'm not a expert on the timeline.
EDIT-my bad. i guess Loghain does have a faulty memory after all.
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I've read that Alistair might have elf blood. Who was the elf? According to Loghain his mother was Rowan unless they changed the details in one of their books or I missed something.... either way, Maric blew off his son so it would not ruin Alistair's mother's reputation - or I think that was what loghain was saying. That's pretty low to begin with - to shrug aside your own flesh and blood for a woman you care about or love. I understand it except the child is completely innocent and really needs, you know, a parent.
That Eamon even has him sleep with dogs is just awful. Alistair jokes that he was raised by dogs which clearly left a kind of negative impact on him. And packing someone off to the chantry, regardless of the fact that he did not know about the lyrium is still the same thing which is basically dumping him on someone else's doorstep so he wasn't an inconvenience to poor old eamon who want to screw that shrew of a woman. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so clear that now he is using alistair to make a grab for power and keep the bloodline as it is. That's the part that really sticks with me. Yes, he was not good to alistair, but if that's who he is then fine. But don't then throw it in alistair's face that he has some kind of duty because of his blood because if you cared about that you wouldn't have treated him like trash to be thrown away or disregarded.
I like Eamon because he's both doing the right thing and exploiting it for his own personal gain. That ambition makes the character seem like more realistic noble. Also shades of grey, whether in the good guys or the villains, is a bit more interesting IMO than having the good guys be flawless white hats while the villains have hearts as black as coal.
Also my Warden wasn't too far removed from Eamon. While his main goals were ending the blight and avenging his slain family, it wasn't lost on him that placing Alistair on the throne (wed to Anora) would also increase his own power and influence within the kingdom. Naturally, he chose the Chancellor boon. Doing what was right for the kingdom and doing something for personal gain are not necessarily mutually exclusive from his POV.
I like Eamon because he's both doing the right thing and exploiting it for his own personal gain. That ambition makes the character seem like more realistic noble. Also shades of grey, whether in the good guys or the villains, is a bit more interesting IMO than having the good guys be flawless white hats while the villains have hearts as black as coal.
Also my Warden wasn't too far removed from Eamon. While his main goals were ending the blight and avenging his slain family, it wasn't lost on him that placing Alistair on the throne (wed to Anora) would also increase his own power and influence within the kingdom. Naturally, he chose the Chancellor boon. Doing what was right for the kingdom and doing something for personal gain are not necessarily mutually exclusive from his POV.
I think you gain more power if your noble marries Anora instead of marrying Alistair off 
I've read that Alistair might have elf blood. Who was the elf? According to Loghain his mother was Rowan unless they changed the details in one of their books or I missed something.... either way, Maric blew off his son so it would not ruin Alistair's mother's reputation - or I think that was what loghain was saying. That's pretty low to begin with - to shrug aside your own flesh and blood for a woman you care about or love. I understand it except the child is completely innocent and really needs, you know, a parent.
That Eamon even has him sleep with dogs is just awful. Alistair jokes that he was raised by dogs which clearly left a kind of negative impact on him. And packing someone off to the chantry, regardless of the fact that he did not know about the lyrium is still the same thing which is basically dumping him on someone else's doorstep so he wasn't an inconvenience to poor old eamon who want to screw that shrew of a woman. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so clear that now he is using alistair to make a grab for power and keep the bloodline as it is. That's the part that really sticks with me. Yes, he was not good to alistair, but if that's who he is then fine. But don't then throw it in alistair's face that he has some kind of duty because of his blood because if you cared about that you wouldn't have treated him like trash to be thrown away or disregarded.
Eh, I can assure you that Alistair's mother was not Rowan. He wouldn't have been a bastard otherwise.
I agree, Eamon is a okay written character, Loghain a bit better, but Howe was written terribly tbh. Again, I wish writers put more effort into morally-grey characters, not so the canon and fandom excuse their greyness or have them be mustache turning villains.
I just dislike that a lot of people blame Isolde for her treatment of Alistair when Eamon is right there doing the same and also the amount of people approving of his actions and opinions about Anora. His sexism I can not really overlook. 
I think you gain more power if your noble marries Anora instead of marrying Alistair off
That might be true, but my Warden was content to be the power behind the throne rather than the power on it. Also while he has some selfish or ambitious instincts, it stops short of screwing over friends.
Of course some people might consider putting Alistair on the throne and forcing him to wed Anora as screwing him over as well. I'd disagree of course...just acknowledging that people view all those end game choices differently.
I just dislike that a lot of people blame Isolde for her treatment of Alistair when Eamon is right there doing the same and also the amount of people approving of his actions and opinions about Anora. His sexism I can not really overlook.
Agreed. I still don't get why Eamon couldn't just tell Isolde the truth. He may not care about Alistair that much (unless he can do something for him), but he should care about his wife and it obviously caused her a lot of anguish. He just went along with her assumptions, and then sent Alistair off to the Chantry to appease her. That's not excusing Isolde's actions, of course, but I doubt she would have treated Alistair so badly if she knew the truth of his birthright. It was a family secret and she's his wife.
Honestly, I blame Eamon more than Isolde.
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Eh, I can assure you that Alistair's mother was not Rowan. He wouldn't have been a bastard otherwise.
I wasn't sure who was his mother. Now I know it was Fiona. I had no idea who rowan was to be honest. If it's not specifically discussed in game then odds are I don't know it.
I wasn't sure who was his mother. Now I know it was Fiona. I had no idea who rowan was to be honest. If it's not specifically discussed in game then odds are I don't know it.
Well, its still not confirmed that Fiona is his mother, but everything seems to point in that direction.
Eamon's treatment of Alistair is complicated. With the sleeping in the kennel or shipped off to the chantry stories I think we are still dealing with shades of grey.
Sure on the one hand Alistair was treated like he wasn't part of the family, but on the other Eamon was shielding him from harm. Kings don't often suffer rivals, and it is possible that if discovered his blood could have been a death sentence. That more than anything was probably why Eamon didn't reveal it even to Isolde, even when it came at the cost of his wife suspecting that he had been unfaithful and sired a bastard.
Eamon may not have been the ideal father figure but he did keep Alistair safe.
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I agree, Eamon is a okay written character, Loghain a bit better, but Howe was written terribly tbh. Again, I wish writers put more effort into morally-grey characters, not so the canon and fandom excuse their greyness or have them be mustache turning villains.
I just dislike that a lot of people blame Isolde for her treatment of Alistair when Eamon is right there doing the same and also the amount of people approving of his actions and opinions about Anora. His sexism I can not really overlook.
I agree with the mustache twirling villains. Howe is wonderfully voiced my Tim Curry, but sadly, it's not really a great role for him other than he's brilliant at being a villain.
They both get dislike from me. Each is equally as bad. Also, I agree with the sexism. While I have found anora to be not better, I would just assume put her on the throne and leave alistair to be a grey warden and run off with whatever character I'm running at the time that romances him if I'm not playing a noble to takes power with him. I think the thing with Isolde is that she was the key factor in why alistair got shipped off to the chantry which led to his joining the grey wardens which means likely no children, no family, killing darkspawn on a regular basis. Kind of like the legion of the dead. Eamon, despite the fact that I don't think he did his best by alistair and could have been better, did at least provide him with some sort of a home for a while. Not a good one from what we learn, BUT had alistair stayed there he might have gone on to become a soldier or something like that which would have kept him free of the grey wardens and also limited a lot of the baggage he carries. Isolde was the key factor in him being sent away and as a result he now will die from the taint by default.
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Well, its still not confirmed that Fiona is his mother, but everything seems to point in that direction.
yes that's what I meant. Close enough that I'll accept it given it seems to look that way.
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